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2-feign-reluctance said:Double meat Chipotle worked I'm happy to report. I got the same big scoop 2x! LOL!0
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mace1229 said:Lerxst1992 said:mace1229 said:JeBurkhardt said:mace1229 said:SHZA said:Zod said:23scidoo said:jimjam1982 said:pjhawks said:It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge. No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good. The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not. It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.
If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them.
It's why when we were young PJ, Nirvana, etc.. tickets were pretty cheap, but a Stones show would cost 3x as much.
It's also technically the cycle many people go through in their career. Late teen's and 20's, you figure out some education, figure out skills sets, build a career. Get into your 30's you try to make sure you own a home and start building equity. Get to your 40s and 50s and you should be in peak earning years (due to skills and experience). That's when you do a lot of retirement saving etc.. Lots of people go through that cycle, it's not really ridiculous. Yes some people get hit by the bad luck bus, but that's how it works for many people.
Like for me, the hardest tickets I ever bought were the ones for the 2000 tour. They were all US dates, FX rate was awful, it was my first year of university. I think after FX the Seattle tickets worked out to about 60cdn. That was so hard to scrape up money. a $208cdn 2024 ticket seems way less painful to me than a $60 2000 ticket.
A couple years ago the board made a huge deal that they granted us a $2000 raise for the year, patted themselves on the back real hard, then a month later announced cost of insurance was going up by $500 a month because the district was covering $500 less of it (total cost of premiums was the same). I don't need to point out our raise was actually a pay cut.
I'm definitely not where I thought I would be when I started this job, and I don't think its a result of poor decisions on my part..
Last year the police department got an 18% raise I think it was, when asked about it the chief/sheriff, whichever it was, said he wanted to give them 30% because they deserve it, but negotiated to 18%. In the same conference our super announced a 3% raised, when asked why only 3%, he said because teachers work "for the outcome, not the income."
I wanted to resign right there, but unfortunately I had bills to pay.The benefit for teachers hopefully is the opportunity to work into their sixties if desired. Those of us suckers in private industry have a much better chance getting gunned down by the corporate layoff master before our 59th birthdays.
The district was fighting budget cuts and that's how they solved it, layoff a 15 year veteran and replace him with a brand new teacher for about 60% of the salary.
They did that across the district and shaved off a few million. So there isn't always security.
I've seen even worse things. Make an older teacher's schedule so miserable they retire, or move him from high school to middle school art after 20 years working in the building. All usually just to replace experienced teachers with new ones.
You're usually allowed to teach 1 class outside of your credential. Tell a teacher history teacher who is planning on retiring in a year or two that he now has remedial algebra 1 for students lacking skills added to his schedule, and he'll probably just retire.0 -
Tim Simmons said:2-feign-reluctance said:Double meat Chipotle worked I'm happy to report. I got the same big scoop 2x! LOL!
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Lerxst1992 said:mace1229 said:JeBurkhardt said:mace1229 said:SHZA said:Zod said:23scidoo said:jimjam1982 said:pjhawks said:It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge. No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good. The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not. It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.
If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them.
It's why when we were young PJ, Nirvana, etc.. tickets were pretty cheap, but a Stones show would cost 3x as much.
It's also technically the cycle many people go through in their career. Late teen's and 20's, you figure out some education, figure out skills sets, build a career. Get into your 30's you try to make sure you own a home and start building equity. Get to your 40s and 50s and you should be in peak earning years (due to skills and experience). That's when you do a lot of retirement saving etc.. Lots of people go through that cycle, it's not really ridiculous. Yes some people get hit by the bad luck bus, but that's how it works for many people.
Like for me, the hardest tickets I ever bought were the ones for the 2000 tour. They were all US dates, FX rate was awful, it was my first year of university. I think after FX the Seattle tickets worked out to about 60cdn. That was so hard to scrape up money. a $208cdn 2024 ticket seems way less painful to me than a $60 2000 ticket.
A couple years ago the board made a huge deal that they granted us a $2000 raise for the year, patted themselves on the back real hard, then a month later announced cost of insurance was going up by $500 a month because the district was covering $500 less of it (total cost of premiums was the same). I don't need to point out our raise was actually a pay cut.
I'm definitely not where I thought I would be when I started this job, and I don't think its a result of poor decisions on my part..
Last year the police department got an 18% raise I think it was, when asked about it the chief/sheriff, whichever it was, said he wanted to give them 30% because they deserve it, but negotiated to 18%. In the same conference our super announced a 3% raised, when asked why only 3%, he said because teachers work "for the outcome, not the income."
I wanted to resign right there, but unfortunately I had bills to pay.The benefit for teachers hopefully is the opportunity to work into their sixties if desired. Those of us suckers in private industry have a much better chance getting gunned down by the corporate layoff master before our 59th birthdays.6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/160 -
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LiveAtLeeds said:jimjam1982 said:I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?
If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA.
Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.[img][/img]9/5/92, 11/20/93, 3/14,15/94, 9/16/95, 10/14,15/2000
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 20220 -
mookieblalock said:LiveAtLeeds said:jimjam1982 said:I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?
If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA.
Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.[img][/img]9/5/92, 11/20/93, 3/14,15/94, 9/16/95, 10/14,15/2000
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 20220 -
Weston1283 said:LiveAtLeeds said:jimjam1982 said:I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?
If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA.
Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.
$150 for GA floor.... 8 years ago....before fees....
$200 USD for a ticket in 2024 is absolutely consistent with the current market
I went to 3 Springsteen shows in Texas last year and paid, $115 in Dallas, $88 TOTAL for 2 tickets in Houston and $120 in Austin, again, this was the tour EVERYONE was crying about tickets prices, I looked at prices for his east coast shows and they were WAY higher, again, it all depends on where the concert is taking place, the United States is a VERY LARGE country, it is not accurate to just say that $200 is a normal fee for concerts in the ENTIRE country as every region and area is different.[img][/img]9/5/92, 11/20/93, 3/14,15/94, 9/16/95, 10/14,15/2000
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 20220 -
Cob said:mookieblalock said:LiveAtLeeds said:jimjam1982 said:I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?
If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA.
Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.
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I paid $263 for put in Austin.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0
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deb1211 said:Touring is crazy expensive and this band has long time employees who go to bat for them tour after tour. I had to help do budgets for a large concert series and they are a pain in the butt and sometimes we lost money and my salary as an employee was frozen. The budget has to make sense and they also like to break up the tours into smaller segments and not play a bazillion shows in stadiums like other bands. The cost of everything is high these days but for me the experiences I have with this band and the PJ community is worth what I'm paying. It is just a priority for me personally. I skipped many years of pj shows to work and raise my kids.
Now they are older, i'm trying to make up for it. I never know when this band won't be around anymore.
Vancouver, Vegas, Seattle, Barcelona, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, all of these cities have 2 shows with a day off in between, why do this if touring is so expensive???[img][/img]9/5/92, 11/20/93, 3/14,15/94, 9/16/95, 10/14,15/2000
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 20220 -
AlaG said:PJ and Dylan are my muse said:Left out of all this pricing discourse is that, let's be honest, the shows are about 20-30%% shorter then they traditionally were through 2018. Just a few examples of # of songs: 2018 Wrigley 32/29, 2023 Chi UC 24/24, 2018 London 27/33, 2022 Imola/London 22, 2022 Nashville 23.
2024 prices are 45% higher then 2018 & 2x higher then 2016.
I think this will be their last big worldwide tour; as the promotion seems to be everywhere for this album.[img][/img]9/5/92, 11/20/93, 3/14,15/94, 9/16/95, 10/14,15/2000
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 20220 -
Cob said:deb1211 said:Touring is crazy expensive and this band has long time employees who go to bat for them tour after tour. I had to help do budgets for a large concert series and they are a pain in the butt and sometimes we lost money and my salary as an employee was frozen. The budget has to make sense and they also like to break up the tours into smaller segments and not play a bazillion shows in stadiums like other bands. The cost of everything is high these days but for me the experiences I have with this band and the PJ community is worth what I'm paying. It is just a priority for me personally. I skipped many years of pj shows to work and raise my kids.
Now they are older, i'm trying to make up for it. I never know when this band won't be around anymore.
Vancouver, Vegas, Seattle, Barcelona, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, all of these cities have 2 shows with a day off in between, why do this if touring is so expensive???
I think the day off is just because of age. Gets harder to do back to back shows the older you get.0 -
Zod said:Cob said:deb1211 said:Touring is crazy expensive and this band has long time employees who go to bat for them tour after tour. I had to help do budgets for a large concert series and they are a pain in the butt and sometimes we lost money and my salary as an employee was frozen. The budget has to make sense and they also like to break up the tours into smaller segments and not play a bazillion shows in stadiums like other bands. The cost of everything is high these days but for me the experiences I have with this band and the PJ community is worth what I'm paying. It is just a priority for me personally. I skipped many years of pj shows to work and raise my kids.
Now they are older, i'm trying to make up for it. I never know when this band won't be around anymore.
Vancouver, Vegas, Seattle, Barcelona, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, all of these cities have 2 shows with a day off in between, why do this if touring is so expensive???
I think the day off is just because of age. Gets harder to do back to back shows the older you get.___________________________________________
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Zod said:Cob said:deb1211 said:Touring is crazy expensive and this band has long time employees who go to bat for them tour after tour. I had to help do budgets for a large concert series and they are a pain in the butt and sometimes we lost money and my salary as an employee was frozen. The budget has to make sense and they also like to break up the tours into smaller segments and not play a bazillion shows in stadiums like other bands. The cost of everything is high these days but for me the experiences I have with this band and the PJ community is worth what I'm paying. It is just a priority for me personally. I skipped many years of pj shows to work and raise my kids.
Now they are older, i'm trying to make up for it. I never know when this band won't be around anymore.
Vancouver, Vegas, Seattle, Barcelona, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, all of these cities have 2 shows with a day off in between, why do this if touring is so expensive???
I think the day off is just because of age. Gets harder to do back to back shows the older you get.0 -
ComeToTX said:I paid $263 for put in Austin.[img][/img]9/5/92, 11/20/93, 3/14,15/94, 9/16/95, 10/14,15/2000
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 20220 -
Get_Right said:Tom G said:At best, the guys need to show a little more diligence when allowing Ticketmaster to be the agents for the tour.
At worst, they have sold out and ripped off their own fans in the worst and most ironic way.
Hope it's the former. Even if it's the latter, it's not too late to repent! Refer to Robert Smith/The Cure for how to handle Ticketmaster!
I wish someone would find one band other than the Cure that limited prices.
All tix were $85.00 with TM fees capped at 7 dollars and change.
There were no platinum tix, no resales (no red dots on TM), no dynamic pricing.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
Cob said:ComeToTX said:I paid $263 for put in Austin.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0
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