Wrigley Tickets

bbiggs said:

I’m not worried about it.  I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense.  Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL. 

SHZA said:

mace1229 said:

bbiggs said:

I’m not worried about it.  I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense.  Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL. 

It makes sense.  it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before.  Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time. 

Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable 

mace1229 said:

SHZA said:

mace1229 said:

bbiggs said:

I’m not worried about it.  I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense.  Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL. 

It makes sense.  it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before.  Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time. 

Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable 

Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole.
I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.

SHZA said:

RatherStarved said:

SHZA said:

RatherStarved said:

know1 said:

There's still tons of time between now and the show to worry about this. 

It would be nice to spend that time not worrying about this though.  

What are people worried about? 

Just being able to complete trades without having to keep track of it for 6 months.  It was part of the appeal of these particular shows.  

If the transfer button isn't there, the sell button probably won't be either. That would be bad for F2F and drive people to stubhub.

bbiggs said:

I can't answer that since I haven't tried.  They turned the function on so I assumed it would work for those wanting to sell via third party sites, since F2F isn't open yet.  Or maybe they allow sales to go back in the TM available seat pool.  I'll try it later to find out, just to see if it actually allows the sale to be initiated (without completing a sale). 

SHZA said:

RatherStarved said:

mace1229 said:

SHZA said:

mace1229 said:

bbiggs said:

I’m not worried about it.  I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense.  Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL. 

It makes sense.  it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before.  Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time. 

Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable 

Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole.
I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.

And that is exactly my question- is this a valid loophole that TM has found, or is it in fact illegal?

The only thing I've found in a quick search is a prohibition on "limit[ing] the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket." ("Any term or condition of the original sale of a ticket to any [long list of events] that purports to limit the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket (including but not limited to the resale price of the ticket) is unenforceable . . . "). 

I'm not sure restricting the time when you're able to transfer the ticket would necessarily be a violation. You'd be free to sell the ticket on stubhub, you just couldn't fulfill the sale until closer to the event. In any case, what would be the motive for delaying the transfer? 

SHZA said:

RatherStarved said:

SHZA said:

RatherStarved said:

mace1229 said:

SHZA said:

mace1229 said:

bbiggs said:

I’m not worried about it.  I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense.  Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL. 

It makes sense.  it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before.  Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time. 

Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable 

Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole.
I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.

And that is exactly my question- is this a valid loophole that TM has found, or is it in fact illegal?

The only thing I've found in a quick search is a prohibition on "limit[ing] the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket." ("Any term or condition of the original sale of a ticket to any [long list of events] that purports to limit the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket (including but not limited to the resale price of the ticket) is unenforceable . . . "). 

I'm not sure restricting the time when you're able to transfer the ticket would necessarily be a violation. You'd be free to sell the ticket on stubhub, you just couldn't fulfill the sale until closer to the event. In any case, what would be the motive for delaying the transfer? 

It just makes it difficult to resell.  For example let’s say I buy a ticket on stub hub but later decide to sell it.  If the person I bought it from can’t transfer it (something) to me how am I supposed to list something?  Do I have to wait until 72 hours before the show to list it? Because that would be in effect a resale limitation.  

By the way I’m not attempting to resell any tickets.  It’s just annoying not to be able to complete a trade.  

That would make it difficult but it's not a term or condition of the original sale that's limiting the terms or conditions of reselling. You could sell the ticket on stubhub even if it hasn't been transferred to you yet. But you could wind up getting jammed if the original buyer doesn't transfer it to you early enough to meet your stubhub deadline. The seller can set the deadline pretty late though. Like four hours before the event or something.  

RatherStarved said:

know1 said:

There's still tons of time between now and the show to worry about this. 

It would be nice to spend that time not worrying about this though.