Potential Ticketmaster Draw Issues

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  • kaw753
    kaw753 Posts: 941
    darwinstheory said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    More people with the exact same seats to both nights
    This is crazy
    Statistically possible. If you question this at all, you don't know mathematics. Haha
    I am not sure if someone pointed it out, but the existence of single tickets makes this even more a very distant possibility. 
  • LukinTimer
    LukinTimer Posts: 538
    PB11041 said:

    not arguing against the labeling being bonkers.  It should be clarified better, but basically GetRight explained it.  It was poorly worded/labeled, no doubt.
    Yeah, I tend to think this played role in some way. It's a bit conrfusing on it's own. Then there were different instructions in different places. On the "TenClub Request" initial page it says, "This is how it works.... 'Select GA Pit / Reserved for your best chance of getting tickets.'" But it does say further into the process, check all boxes for greater odds. Those two instructions seem to contradict a bit. We have been told specifically in previous draws, that if you entered GA/Resesrved, you didn't need to also enter reserved. But this is a different draw, and I think checking only "GA/Reserved" may have limited your chances for P1 Reserved. 
    "Holly f**k, that was so amazing, I just forgot who I came here to see!!" - Courtesy of the guy in the U2 t-shirt standing next to me in Aloha Stadium, Post PJ
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    darwinstheory said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    More people with the exact same seats to both nights
    This is crazy
    Statistically possible. If you question this at all, you don't know mathematics. Haha
    Hold on while I burn my diploma 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    edited February 2024
    Anything like this that is reported 4-5 times in the first hour or so after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. How many people haven't even checked their emails yet?
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  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    edited February 2024
    JimmyV said:
    Anything that is reported 4-5 times in the first few hours after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. 
    Yeah not all tickets are even out yet. Not everyone has looked at their tickets, and not everyone has posted about it. This is really widespread 
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    JimmyV said:
    Anything that is reported 4-5 times in the first few hours after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. 
    Yeah not all tickets are even out yet. Not everyone has looked at their tickets, and not everyone has posted about it. This is really widespread 
    Nothing to see here 
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    SHZA said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    JimmyV said:
    Anything that is reported 4-5 times in the first few hours after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. 
    Yeah not all tickets are even out yet. Not everyone has looked at their tickets, and not everyone has posted about it. This is really widespread 
    Nothing to see here 
    It's all random variance, carry on
  • kaw753
    kaw753 Posts: 941
    SHZA said:
    kaw753 said:
    SHZA said:
    I also got a lower bowl seat for Vegas when selecting only GA-P1 so the theory that GA-P1 = floor and P1 = stands is debunked as well 
    This tour or last tour? I selected all GA-P1 this tour and I am at 3 for 3 being way back on the floor (beside the mixing board). 
    Today about 10 minutes ago 
    I am now 4 for 4 with close to the same seats on the back of the floor beside the mixing board.
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,956
    Sounds like the guy assigning tickets is getting tired and just assigning the same seats for both nights to keep things moving.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    The question becomes are one night people in two night cities getting consistently better/worse seats than expected? They gotta sit somewhere if others are getting the exact same seats. 
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,362
    SHZA said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    JimmyV said:
    Anything that is reported 4-5 times in the first few hours after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. 
    Yeah not all tickets are even out yet. Not everyone has looked at their tickets, and not everyone has posted about it. This is really widespread 
    Nothing to see here 

    That's why it's a lottery . Some people just don't understand that.
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 893
    Next tour the GA tix should go to you guys’ respective spouses. Y’all are a lot.
  • lisalamb
    lisalamb Posts: 75
    FWIW I have different seat for N1 and N2 Seattle. I have a silly high 10C number, not sure if that matters.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,119
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    BF25394 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    bootleg said:
    Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?
    Wow, almost impossible 
    The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.
    Hey, we could all debate this till the cows come home, we all love the band we all love each other. Why don’t we agree on some simple set of parameters for the difficult to get Northeast tickets into a probability analysis or an expected result analysis based on mathematics? Why don’t we just say for each difficult to get category such as P1 or GA, there are 1000 available tickets and 15,000 fans looking to get those tickets? Why can’t we just do the math on that and see what the statistical probability is to hit two shows, three shows, four shows with the GA, etc.?

    It’s basic math we can make basic estimates and see what the odds are. It’s not a mystery. It’s math.
    0.002% to hit GA for 4 out of 4 shows

    I am no math student (never made it past Algebra II), but can you really compound the odds when each draw is in a vacuum? 
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    Get_Right said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    BF25394 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    bootleg said:
    Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?
    Wow, almost impossible 
    The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.
    Hey, we could all debate this till the cows come home, we all love the band we all love each other. Why don’t we agree on some simple set of parameters for the difficult to get Northeast tickets into a probability analysis or an expected result analysis based on mathematics? Why don’t we just say for each difficult to get category such as P1 or GA, there are 1000 available tickets and 15,000 fans looking to get those tickets? Why can’t we just do the math on that and see what the statistical probability is to hit two shows, three shows, four shows with the GA, etc.?

    It’s basic math we can make basic estimates and see what the odds are. It’s not a mystery. It’s math.
    0.002% to hit GA for 4 out of 4 shows

    I am no math student (never made it past Algebra II), but can you really compound the odds when each draw is in a vacuum? 
    Yes you can , you can calculate the odds of independent events all occurring 
  • Ledbetterdays
    Ledbetterdays Round Rock, Texas Posts: 556
    I think it's time to remove the word "Potential" from the title of this thread.
    Touring Fan since 1996
  • bootleg
    bootleg Posts: 1,207
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    BF25394 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    bootleg said:
    Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?
    Wow, almost impossible 
    The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

    If the winners were different and seat assignments random, I am gonna guess the odds would be billions to one, we are talking about hitting one in twenty thousand exactly the same twice in a row.

    but we know seating is assigned based on seniority. Which makes it sound like the set of winners from night one to night two are very close to being exactly the same, or bootleg had the same winning number in order of seniority on the winners “list.” Either case, the odds seem long but difficult to calculate.

    whether we are talking a kilo or a pound, seems another example of long odds, or someone is just having fun with this topic!
    The only way it would be likely is if you have one of the oldest TC numbers, otherwise it's almost impossible 
    Number is 165xxx.  Not bad but not the oldest.  Joined in 98.   Now what it could indicate is is that not that many people ahead of me opted for P2, or the exact same number of people ahead of me won P2.  Saw someone else hit exact same tix both nights in LA
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    bootleg said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    BF25394 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    bootleg said:
    Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?
    Wow, almost impossible 
    The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

    If the winners were different and seat assignments random, I am gonna guess the odds would be billions to one, we are talking about hitting one in twenty thousand exactly the same twice in a row.

    but we know seating is assigned based on seniority. Which makes it sound like the set of winners from night one to night two are very close to being exactly the same, or bootleg had the same winning number in order of seniority on the winners “list.” Either case, the odds seem long but difficult to calculate.

    whether we are talking a kilo or a pound, seems another example of long odds, or someone is just having fun with this topic!
    The only way it would be likely is if you have one of the oldest TC numbers, otherwise it's almost impossible 
    Number is 165xxx.  Not bad but not the oldest.  Joined in 98.   Now what it could indicate is is that not that many people ahead of me opted for P2, or the exact same number of people ahead of me won P2.  Saw someone else hit exact same tix both nights in LA
    This is extremely unlikely to happen, and I've seen 5 reports of it
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,956
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    bootleg said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    BF25394 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    bootleg said:
    Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?
    Wow, almost impossible 
    The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

    If the winners were different and seat assignments random, I am gonna guess the odds would be billions to one, we are talking about hitting one in twenty thousand exactly the same twice in a row.

    but we know seating is assigned based on seniority. Which makes it sound like the set of winners from night one to night two are very close to being exactly the same, or bootleg had the same winning number in order of seniority on the winners “list.” Either case, the odds seem long but difficult to calculate.

    whether we are talking a kilo or a pound, seems another example of long odds, or someone is just having fun with this topic!
    The only way it would be likely is if you have one of the oldest TC numbers, otherwise it's almost impossible 
    Number is 165xxx.  Not bad but not the oldest.  Joined in 98.   Now what it could indicate is is that not that many people ahead of me opted for P2, or the exact same number of people ahead of me won P2.  Saw someone else hit exact same tix both nights in LA
    This is extremely unlikely to happen, and I've seen 5 reports of it

    More likely is that the person or group of people assigning seats for Ticketmaster are getting lazy and just duplicating the seat locations for those who won two nights. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh


  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    on2legs said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    bootleg said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    BF25394 said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    bootleg said:
    Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?
    Wow, almost impossible 
    The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

    If the winners were different and seat assignments random, I am gonna guess the odds would be billions to one, we are talking about hitting one in twenty thousand exactly the same twice in a row.

    but we know seating is assigned based on seniority. Which makes it sound like the set of winners from night one to night two are very close to being exactly the same, or bootleg had the same winning number in order of seniority on the winners “list.” Either case, the odds seem long but difficult to calculate.

    whether we are talking a kilo or a pound, seems another example of long odds, or someone is just having fun with this topic!
    The only way it would be likely is if you have one of the oldest TC numbers, otherwise it's almost impossible 
    Number is 165xxx.  Not bad but not the oldest.  Joined in 98.   Now what it could indicate is is that not that many people ahead of me opted for P2, or the exact same number of people ahead of me won P2.  Saw someone else hit exact same tix both nights in LA
    This is extremely unlikely to happen, and I've seen 5 reports of it

    More likely is that the person or group of people assigning seats for Ticketmaster are getting lazy and just duplicating the seat locations for those who won two nights. 
    You would think it would be automated

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