Potential Ticketmaster Draw Issues

kaw753

darwinstheory said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

More people with the exact same seats to both nights
This is crazy

Statistically possible. If you question this at all, you don't know mathematics. Haha

I am not sure if someone pointed it out, but the existence of single tickets makes this even more a very distant possibility. 

LukinTimer

PB11041 said:

not arguing against the labeling being bonkers.  It should be clarified better, but basically GetRight explained it.  It was poorly worded/labeled, no doubt.

Yeah, I tend to think this played role in some way. It's a bit conrfusing on it's own. Then there were different instructions in different places. On the "TenClub Request" initial page it says, "This is how it works.... 'Select GA Pit / Reserved for your best chance of getting tickets.'" But it does say further into the process, check all boxes for greater odds. Those two instructions seem to contradict a bit. We have been told specifically in previous draws, that if you entered GA/Resesrved, you didn't need to also enter reserved. But this is a different draw, and I think checking only "GA/Reserved" may have limited your chances for P1 Reserved. 

NewfieintheUSA

darwinstheory said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

More people with the exact same seats to both nights
This is crazy

Statistically possible. If you question this at all, you don't know mathematics. Haha

Hold on while I burn my diploma 

JimmyV

Anything like this that is reported 4-5 times in the first hour or so after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. How many people haven't even checked their emails yet?

NewfieintheUSA

JimmyV said:

Anything that is reported 4-5 times in the first few hours after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. 

Yeah not all tickets are even out yet. Not everyone has looked at their tickets, and not everyone has posted about it. This is really widespread 

SHZA

NewfieintheUSA said:

JimmyV said:

Anything that is reported 4-5 times in the first few hours after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. 

Yeah not all tickets are even out yet. Not everyone has looked at their tickets, and not everyone has posted about it. This is really widespread 

Nothing to see here 

NewfieintheUSA

SHZA said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

JimmyV said:

Anything that is reported 4-5 times in the first few hours after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. 

Yeah not all tickets are even out yet. Not everyone has looked at their tickets, and not everyone has posted about it. This is really widespread 

Nothing to see here 

It's all random variance, carry on

kaw753

SHZA said:

kaw753 said:

SHZA said:

I also got a lower bowl seat for Vegas when selecting only GA-P1 so the theory that GA-P1 = floor and P1 = stands is debunked as well 

This tour or last tour? I selected all GA-P1 this tour and I am at 3 for 3 being way back on the floor (beside the mixing board). 

Today about 10 minutes ago 

I am now 4 for 4 with close to the same seats on the back of the floor beside the mixing board.

on2legs

Sounds like the guy assigning tickets is getting tired and just assigning the same seats for both nights to keep things moving.

JimmyV

The question becomes are one night people in two night cities getting consistently better/worse seats than expected? They gotta sit somewhere if others are getting the exact same seats. 

darwinstheory

SHZA said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

JimmyV said:

Anything that is reported 4-5 times in the first few hours after it happened has happened more than 4-5 times. 

Yeah not all tickets are even out yet. Not everyone has looked at their tickets, and not everyone has posted about it. This is really widespread 

Nothing to see here 

That's why it's a lottery . Some people just don't understand that.

kmcmanus

Next tour the GA tix should go to you guys’ respective spouses. Y’all are a lot.

lisalamb

FWIW I have different seat for N1 and N2 Seattle. I have a silly high 10C number, not sure if that matters.

Get_Right

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

bootleg said:

Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?

Wow, almost impossible 

The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

Hey, we could all debate this till the cows come home, we all love the band we all love each other. Why don’t we agree on some simple set of parameters for the difficult to get Northeast tickets into a probability analysis or an expected result analysis based on mathematics? Why don’t we just say for each difficult to get category such as P1 or GA, there are 1000 available tickets and 15,000 fans looking to get those tickets? Why can’t we just do the math on that and see what the statistical probability is to hit two shows, three shows, four shows with the GA, etc.?

It’s basic math we can make basic estimates and see what the odds are. It’s not a mystery. It’s math.

0.002% to hit GA for 4 out of 4 shows

I am no math student (never made it past Algebra II), but can you really compound the odds when each draw is in a vacuum? 

NewfieintheUSA

Get_Right said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

bootleg said:

Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?

Wow, almost impossible 

The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

Hey, we could all debate this till the cows come home, we all love the band we all love each other. Why don’t we agree on some simple set of parameters for the difficult to get Northeast tickets into a probability analysis or an expected result analysis based on mathematics? Why don’t we just say for each difficult to get category such as P1 or GA, there are 1000 available tickets and 15,000 fans looking to get those tickets? Why can’t we just do the math on that and see what the statistical probability is to hit two shows, three shows, four shows with the GA, etc.?

It’s basic math we can make basic estimates and see what the odds are. It’s not a mystery. It’s math.

0.002% to hit GA for 4 out of 4 shows

I am no math student (never made it past Algebra II), but can you really compound the odds when each draw is in a vacuum? 

Yes you can , you can calculate the odds of independent events all occurring 

Ledbetterdays

I think it's time to remove the word "Potential" from the title of this thread.

bootleg

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

bootleg said:

Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?

Wow, almost impossible 

The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

If the winners were different and seat assignments random, I am gonna guess the odds would be billions to one, we are talking about hitting one in twenty thousand exactly the same twice in a row.

but we know seating is assigned based on seniority. Which makes it sound like the set of winners from night one to night two are very close to being exactly the same, or bootleg had the same winning number in order of seniority on the winners “list.” Either case, the odds seem long but difficult to calculate.

whether we are talking a kilo or a pound, seems another example of long odds, or someone is just having fun with this topic!

The only way it would be likely is if you have one of the oldest TC numbers, otherwise it's almost impossible 

Number is 165xxx.  Not bad but not the oldest.  Joined in 98.   Now what it could indicate is is that not that many people ahead of me opted for P2, or the exact same number of people ahead of me won P2.  Saw someone else hit exact same tix both nights in LA

NewfieintheUSA

bootleg said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

bootleg said:

Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?

Wow, almost impossible 

The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

If the winners were different and seat assignments random, I am gonna guess the odds would be billions to one, we are talking about hitting one in twenty thousand exactly the same twice in a row.

but we know seating is assigned based on seniority. Which makes it sound like the set of winners from night one to night two are very close to being exactly the same, or bootleg had the same winning number in order of seniority on the winners “list.” Either case, the odds seem long but difficult to calculate.

whether we are talking a kilo or a pound, seems another example of long odds, or someone is just having fun with this topic!

The only way it would be likely is if you have one of the oldest TC numbers, otherwise it's almost impossible 

Number is 165xxx.  Not bad but not the oldest.  Joined in 98.   Now what it could indicate is is that not that many people ahead of me opted for P2, or the exact same number of people ahead of me won P2.  Saw someone else hit exact same tix both nights in LA

This is extremely unlikely to happen, and I've seen 5 reports of it

on2legs

NewfieintheUSA said:

bootleg said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

bootleg said:

Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?

Wow, almost impossible 

The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

If the winners were different and seat assignments random, I am gonna guess the odds would be billions to one, we are talking about hitting one in twenty thousand exactly the same twice in a row.

but we know seating is assigned based on seniority. Which makes it sound like the set of winners from night one to night two are very close to being exactly the same, or bootleg had the same winning number in order of seniority on the winners “list.” Either case, the odds seem long but difficult to calculate.

whether we are talking a kilo or a pound, seems another example of long odds, or someone is just having fun with this topic!

The only way it would be likely is if you have one of the oldest TC numbers, otherwise it's almost impossible 

Number is 165xxx.  Not bad but not the oldest.  Joined in 98.   Now what it could indicate is is that not that many people ahead of me opted for P2, or the exact same number of people ahead of me won P2.  Saw someone else hit exact same tix both nights in LA

This is extremely unlikely to happen, and I've seen 5 reports of it

More likely is that the person or group of people assigning seats for Ticketmaster are getting lazy and just duplicating the seat locations for those who won two nights. 

NewfieintheUSA

on2legs said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

bootleg said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

bootleg said:

Here’s another oddity to throw into the mix.  I got the exact same seats for Seattle N1 and N2.  P2 level.  With all the combinations of fans who won at various levels what are the chances of that?

Wow, almost impossible 

The odds of drawing the same seats for two different shows are exactly the same as the odds of drawing one set of seats for one show and a specific set of different seats for another show. Almost impossible, yes, but given the large sample size we're dealing with here, it will happen to someone.

If the winners were different and seat assignments random, I am gonna guess the odds would be billions to one, we are talking about hitting one in twenty thousand exactly the same twice in a row.

but we know seating is assigned based on seniority. Which makes it sound like the set of winners from night one to night two are very close to being exactly the same, or bootleg had the same winning number in order of seniority on the winners “list.” Either case, the odds seem long but difficult to calculate.

whether we are talking a kilo or a pound, seems another example of long odds, or someone is just having fun with this topic!

The only way it would be likely is if you have one of the oldest TC numbers, otherwise it's almost impossible 

Number is 165xxx.  Not bad but not the oldest.  Joined in 98.   Now what it could indicate is is that not that many people ahead of me opted for P2, or the exact same number of people ahead of me won P2.  Saw someone else hit exact same tix both nights in LA

This is extremely unlikely to happen, and I've seen 5 reports of it

More likely is that the person or group of people assigning seats for Ticketmaster are getting lazy and just duplicating the seat locations for those who won two nights. 

You would think it would be automated