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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,689
    lastexitlondon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
     What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
    There’s opinions and there’s informed opinions, and they aren’t the same thing. When you’re posting about the vaccine, you obviously also have opinions along with it but then try to backpedal out of it and claim you’re innocently just asking questions. 
    Not at all I don't have to pretend anything. I am interested in any news about this subject it's ok with me if I find it interesting something seems to be suggested I don't have to please yours or any other members criteria. I actually found it interesting and that's what I said 
     
    You just referred to what was in the Tucker video as truth, which is more than just interesting. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
     What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
    There’s opinions and there’s informed opinions, and they aren’t the same thing. When you’re posting about the vaccine, you obviously also have opinions along with it but then try to backpedal out of it and claim you’re innocently just asking questions. 
    Not at all I don't have to pretend anything. I am interested in any news about this subject it's ok with me if I find it interesting something seems to be suggested I don't have to please yours or any other members criteria. I actually found it interesting and that's what I said 
     
    You just referred to what was in the Tucker video as truth, which is more than just interesting. 
    I actually did not at all refer to it as truth. Not once read back fella 


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
     What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
    There’s opinions and there’s informed opinions, and they aren’t the same thing. When you’re posting about the vaccine, you obviously also have opinions along with it but then try to backpedal out of it and claim you’re innocently just asking questions. 
    Not at all I don't have to pretend anything. I am interested in any news about this subject it's ok with me if I find it interesting something seems to be suggested I don't have to please yours or any other members criteria. I actually found it interesting and that's what I said 
     
    You just referred to what was in the Tucker video as truth, which is more than just interesting. 
    no, he didn't. you and mrussell misinterpreted that. he was saying if it was truth, it doesn't matter whose mouth it comes from. 
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    edited February 2024
    What you have misread is me saying I didn't think it mattered who the interviewer was because if his style was not to people's taste( as I have no idea who the guy is apart from I recently saw he was the guy interview Putin.)  I never once said what was in the video was truth you are very wrong . It was not in context of any video. I said truth is truth not the video is truth ffs read back
    Post edited by lastexitlondon on


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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    lastexitlondon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
     What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
    There’s opinions and there’s informed opinions, and they aren’t the same thing. When you’re posting about the vaccine, you obviously also have opinions along with it but then try to backpedal out of it and claim you’re innocently just asking questions. 
    Not at all I don't have to pretend anything. I am interested in any news about this subject it's ok with me if I find it interesting something seems to be suggested I don't have to please yours or any other members criteria. I actually found it interesting and that's what I said 
     
    Ok, but news about the virus coming from sources like Johns Hopkins University or University of Oxford should carry more weight than news about the virus from say, Alex Jones or John Cleese, no? 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
     What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
    There’s opinions and there’s informed opinions, and they aren’t the same thing. When you’re posting about the vaccine, you obviously also have opinions along with it but then try to backpedal out of it and claim you’re innocently just asking questions. 
    Not at all I don't have to pretend anything. I am interested in any news about this subject it's ok with me if I find it interesting something seems to be suggested I don't have to please yours or any other members criteria. I actually found it interesting and that's what I said 
     
    You just referred to what was in the Tucker video as truth, which is more than just interesting. 
    no, he didn't. you and mrussell misinterpreted that. he was saying if it was truth, it doesn't matter whose mouth it comes from. 
    I don't get what they don't get. Thanks again for clarifying. There seems to be quite the tag team here pathetic 


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  • Go Beavers
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    lastexitlondon said:
    What you have misread is me saying I didn't think it mattered who the interviewer was because if his style was not to people's taste( as I have no idea who the guy is apart from I recently saw he was the guy inter Putin.)  I never once said what was in the video was truth you are very wrong 
    “Tucker has an interesting video”

    ”Tucker is a menace” 

    “Truth is truth regardless”

    ”which is..”

    “I guess what the doctors say and what the actual information is. Does it matter the name of the interviewer?”

    This reads like you said what’s in the video is true. I don’t have a need to keep going on this, but it’s a common thing on the internet for people to get too far over the tips of their skis, and instead of just owning it, they try to say they didn’t say what they really said. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    I own what I say completely the fact you don't understand is totally your problem good night


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,017
    edited February 2024
    lastexitlondon said:
    What you have misread is me saying I didn't think it mattered who the interviewer was because if his style was not to people's taste( as I have no idea who the guy is apart from I recently saw he was the guy interview Putin.)  I never once said what was in the video was truth you are very wrong . It was not in context of any video. I said truth is truth not the video is truth ffs read back
    Our problem with Tucker isn't his style.  It's that he's a fucking liar.  

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,813
    Ahh screw it.   Time will answer all of these questions.  Anybody wanna meet up in the lounge for a drink or whatever?  :lol: 
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,237
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    23scidoo said:
    What is the concrete scientific evidence for you??..because there are doctors and scientists out there who are yelling..
    SOMETHING HAPPENING HERE!!..
    yes, of course there's going to be outliers waving the flags of conspiracy. conjecture and hypothesis are nothing, regardless of profession. you still have to ask what concrete scientific evidence is? research, with indisputable findings that are peer reviewed and published. 

    if those findings show that it's the vaccine causing it, I'll 100% believe it. 
    so, a nobel award scientist is an ''outlier waving the flags of conspiracy''..university professors are ''outlier waving the flags of conspiracy''..
    very nice..
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,237
    mrussel1 said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    you guys are running way too far with this particular mischaracterization of what rob said. 
    And this is why the same people rattle around in here. Nobody can speak or discuss without being labelled some kind of anti Vax or nut. It's embarrassing 
    What's embarrassing is the lack of critical thinking.  

    A Zombie apocalypse is interesting.  I wouldn't think to have a serious debate about it. 
    Of course its embarrasing..you are from this..
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,237
    brianlux said:
    There is a ton of hyperbole and drama coming out of the anti-vax camp and most of that should just be ignored.  Any rational person understands the value of good science and solid evidence. 
    But on the other hand, I think there is very good cause to suggest that COVID vaccinations need to be studied very closely and that simply assuming nothing is wrong with them is also not a wise approach.  Because they are so new and were produced so rapidly, we don't know what the long term affects of these vaccines are.  But say something like that, and immediately a lot of people will assume you are a conspiracy laden anti-vaxer.  That's what happened with RFK Jr and yet if you listen to some of his interviews on the topic, you'll see he is not a conspiracy anti-vaxer.  No, he's like me, suggesting that more research needs to be done.
    I will admit, my own hesitation to be skeptical of the latest COVID vaccinations stems from my current rapid decline in health that start immediately with the last vaccination I got in October 2023.  I do KNOW that the vaccination was the cause, but it is suspect. 
    All I'm saying is, lets stop being so one sided here.  It's like everything else these days- all or nothing, black and white, my side or your side.  Jesus, division seems to define our very society these days.  That's neither wise nor helpful.
    Nice Brian..
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,237
    Merkin Baller said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Well all anyone says here is an opinion. As nobody here is a medical professional and truth is truth
     What's your point I don't understand. Im happy to read anything and learn.
    There’s opinions and there’s informed opinions, and they aren’t the same thing. When you’re posting about the vaccine, you obviously also have opinions along with it but then try to backpedal out of it and claim you’re innocently just asking questions. 
    Not at all I don't have to pretend anything. I am interested in any news about this subject it's ok with me if I find it interesting something seems to be suggested I don't have to please yours or any other members criteria. I actually found it interesting and that's what I said 
     
    Ok, but news about the virus coming from sources like Johns Hopkins University or University of Oxford should carry more weight than news about the virus from say, Alex Jones or John Cleese, no? 
    How about the university of Kioto??..did you forget the japanese scientist??..
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,237
    Meanwhile..
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13082241/Man-confronted-Rishi-Sunak-Covid-vaccine-injuries-claims-spoke-didnt-want-died-suddenly-statistic.html
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  • LostDog_72
    LostDog_72 London Posts: 74
    If it is actually the case that the vaccine causes/has caused widespread health issues, then I just cannot see that governments or big pharma would ever admit it.

    I don't know anyone who received the covid vaccine and has developed heart complications (or anything else for that matter), so I have no cause to claim there is a conspiracy at play. I just cannot see them putting their hands up and admitting it. The backlash (social and financial) would be beyond measure.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    23scidoo said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    23scidoo said:
    What is the concrete scientific evidence for you??..because there are doctors and scientists out there who are yelling..
    SOMETHING HAPPENING HERE!!..
    yes, of course there's going to be outliers waving the flags of conspiracy. conjecture and hypothesis are nothing, regardless of profession. you still have to ask what concrete scientific evidence is? research, with indisputable findings that are peer reviewed and published. 

    if those findings show that it's the vaccine causing it, I'll 100% believe it. 
    so, a nobel award scientist is an ''outlier waving the flags of conspiracy''..university professors are ''outlier waving the flags of conspiracy''..
    very nice..
    maybe a poor choice of words on my part. all I'm saying is that, in today's day and age of the scientific method, the outlier, regardless of award status or profession, are usually the ones that are incorrect. it's only in disaster movies where the outlier is the smartest one in the room. 

    again, if those outliers can use the normal outlets for proving their theories, then have at it. 

    "something happening here" is not the preferred scientific approach. 
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,237
    Are you ready??..

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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    Can't fucking wait


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