Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,819
    edited January 2024
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    Honest question. Do you believe Biden is mentally and physically capable of doing this job for the next almost 5 years?

    I get that you would rather have him than Trump. I get that. You may be right.I  just want to know what you think of Bidens ability to do the job for another term.
    So the hang up w/ Biden has changed from ‘he’s not moderate enough’ to ‘he’s not physically or mentally capable’? 

    Got it. 
    Unfortunately him & trump are going to be our choices, and yes, I believe Biden is a more capable president than trump in pretty much every way possible. Biden’s negative attributes don’t exist in a vacuum, and I’m not willing to ignore trump’s criminality. Seems like a no brainer to me. 
  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 437
    edited January 2024
    Trump
    mrussel1 said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    Honest question. Do you believe Biden is mentally and physically capable of doing this job for the next almost 5 years?

    I get that you would rather have him than Trump. I get that. You may be right.I  just want to know what you think of Bidens ability to do the job for another term.
    Capable for the next 5?  I don't know.  But I think he's more capable than Trump who is showing significant decline as well.  So if both are suboptimal,  which they are,  you still have to make a choice.  

    Your statement about "who is running the country" makes me curious on where you get your information.  That talking point is prevalent on the right where they think Obama is really in charge.  If you think that,  well then you definitely should vote for Biden. 

    BTW, Biden's position on Ukraine and supporting Israel should be all the clue you need to know whether he's a moderate or a progressive. 
    I agree with everything you said. The Ukraine and Israel situations have way more layers than an onion. A lot of politicians are grand standing on those two issues.

    As far as the running the country statement. It goes back to what I've said about Biden. He is not even close to the politician he used to be. I just wish he would realize that and have someone else run in his place. I truly believe a different Democrate nominee would crush Trump.  It's a bad situation we are in. 
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  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 437
    edited January 2024
    Trump
    Merkin Baller said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    Honest question. Do you believe Biden is mentally and physically capable of doing this job for the next almost 5 years?

    I get that you would rather have him than Trump. I get that. You may be right.I  just want to know what you think of Bidens ability to do the job for another term.
    So the hang up w/ Biden has changed from ‘he’s not moderate enough’ to ‘he’s not physically or mentally capable’? 

    Got it. 
    Unfortunately him & trump are going to be our choices, and yes, I believe Biden is a more capable president than trump in pretty much every way possible. Biden’s negative attributes don’t exist in a vacuum, and I’m not willing to ignore trump’s criminality. Seems like a no brainer to me. 
    Fair enough. You may be correct. One of the main reasons I'm considering Biden is because I don't have any Idea how Trump is going to fill his cabinet with even close to qualified people.
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  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 437
    Trump
    Merkin Baller said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    Honest question. Do you believe Biden is mentally and physically capable of doing this job for the next almost 5 years?

    I get that you would rather have him than Trump. I get that. You may be right.I  just want to know what you think of Bidens ability to do the job for another term.
    So the hang up w/ Biden has changed from ‘he’s not moderate enough’ to ‘he’s not physically or mentally capable’? 

    Got it. 
    Unfortunately him & trump are going to be our choices, and yes, I believe Biden is a more capable president than trump in pretty much every way possible. Biden’s negative attributes don’t exist in a vacuum, and I’m not willing to ignore trump’s criminality. Seems like a no brainer to me. 
    Sorry to quote you twice on the same statement you made. Just to be clear. I wasn't trying to "change" why I have reservations about voting for Biden. I was just giving more thoughts on it.
  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 437
    Trump
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    Two reasons I don’t think you’re a moderate. 1. You think Biden isn’t moderate. 2. You’re going to vote for Trump. 
    definitely not a moderate. 

    nobody voting trump is a moderate.

    also, anybody that saw how trump performed while in office and said "yeah i want more of that" is not a moderate.
    I'm at least trying to have a conversation. If you are going to say that I'm not a moderate. How can I possibly prove it. I guess I'll move along. 


  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,583
    smile6680 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    Two reasons I don’t think you’re a moderate. 1. You think Biden isn’t moderate. 2. You’re going to vote for Trump. 
    Biden was a moderate for a long time. I actually would even say he voted  more like moderate Republican for decades. He and Bernie Sanders would have lively debates about a lot of things. Especially over health care for all. 

    The Joe Biden that has become VP and now President is nothing like the Senator Joe Biden. Look at his voting record and statements he has made in the past. I would imagine you would agree with that.

    I get why you don't believe me. You don't know me, the internet is full people pretending to something they are not just to get people upset, and saying that i'm leaning towards voting for Trump. The world of politics sucks right now. 
    I can look at the last 3 years to determine he’s a moderate. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,389
    smile6680 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    Honest question. Do you believe Biden is mentally and physically capable of doing this job for the next almost 5 years?

    I get that you would rather have him than Trump. I get that. You may be right.I  just want to know what you think of Bidens ability to do the job for another term.
    Capable for the next 5?  I don't know.  But I think he's more capable than Trump who is showing significant decline as well.  So if both are suboptimal,  which they are,  you still have to make a choice.  

    Your statement about "who is running the country" makes me curious on where you get your information.  That talking point is prevalent on the right where they think Obama is really in charge.  If you think that,  well then you definitely should vote for Biden. 

    BTW, Biden's position on Ukraine and supporting Israel should be all the clue you need to know whether he's a moderate or a progressive. 
    I agree with everything you said. The Ukraine and Israel situations have way more layers than an onion. A lot of politicians are grand standing on those two issues.

    As far as the running the country statement. It goes back to what I've said about Biden. He is not even close to the politician he used to be. I just wish he would realize that and have someone else run in his place. I truly believe a different Democrate nominee would crush Trump.  It's a bad situation we are in. 
    smile6680 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    Honest question. Do you believe Biden is mentally and physically capable of doing this job for the next almost 5 years?

    I get that you would rather have him than Trump. I get that. You may be right.I  just want to know what you think of Bidens ability to do the job for another term.
    Capable for the next 5?  I don't know.  But I think he's more capable than Trump who is showing significant decline as well.  So if both are suboptimal,  which they are,  you still have to make a choice.  

    Your statement about "who is running the country" makes me curious on where you get your information.  That talking point is prevalent on the right where they think Obama is really in charge.  If you think that,  well then you definitely should vote for Biden. 

    BTW, Biden's position on Ukraine and supporting Israel should be all the clue you need to know whether he's a moderate or a progressive. 
    I agree with everything you said. The Ukraine and Israel situations have way more layers than an onion. A lot of politicians are grand standing on those two issues.

    As far as the running the country statement. It goes back to what I've said about Biden. He is not even close to the politician he used to be. I just wish he would realize that and have someone else run in his place. I truly believe a different Democrate nominee would crush Trump.  It's a bad situation we are in. 
    It’s only a “bad situation” if you help elect POOTWH.
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  • Merkin Baller
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    Biden
    smile6680 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    Two reasons I don’t think you’re a moderate. 1. You think Biden isn’t moderate. 2. You’re going to vote for Trump. 
    definitely not a moderate. 

    nobody voting trump is a moderate.

    also, anybody that saw how trump performed while in office and said "yeah i want more of that" is not a moderate.
    I'm at least trying to have a conversation. If you are going to say that I'm not a moderate. How can I possibly prove it. I guess I'll move along. 


    don't move along. just be very aware of what you will be getting if you support trump and he wins. it will be the exact same as before, but further right and more lawless, and more cruel. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    "everything sucks right now. i am going to vote for the fascist that wants revenge for himself rather than the guy that is trying to help the most people."
    Right? There are no "moderates" who believe this. At least not the one's who've been paying attention for the last 9 years. 

    I also find it funny that he thinks Biden is too far on the left...if that's true why are so many progressives and liberals upset with him? lol
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  • smile6680
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    Trump
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    smile6680 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    Two reasons I don’t think you’re a moderate. 1. You think Biden isn’t moderate. 2. You’re going to vote for Trump. 
    definitely not a moderate. 

    nobody voting trump is a moderate.

    also, anybody that saw how trump performed while in office and said "yeah i want more of that" is not a moderate.
    I'm at least trying to have a conversation. If you are going to say that I'm not a moderate. How can I possibly prove it. I guess I'll move along. 


    don't move along. just be very aware of what you will be getting if you support trump and he wins. it will be the exact same as before, but further right and more lawless, and more cruel. 
    I will probably regret staying in this thread. I wholly agree with what you are saying. I just see a lot more "moderates" getting tired of Biden's policies. It's a classic case of is "the grass is greener on the other side syndrome". Even though I disagreed with some of Obama's policies . I did respect that he was making the calls and would veto anything he didn't believe in. I don't think 2023 Joe Biden is willing to make the tough decisions.

    I referenced my opinion on Obama as an example. I didn't agree with all George Bush jr's decisions either.

    I get once you labeled me as a non moderate you will probably never value any of my thoughts. I do appreciate your last response though. 




  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,551
    Biden
    smile6680 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    smile6680 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    Two reasons I don’t think you’re a moderate. 1. You think Biden isn’t moderate. 2. You’re going to vote for Trump. 
    definitely not a moderate. 

    nobody voting trump is a moderate.

    also, anybody that saw how trump performed while in office and said "yeah i want more of that" is not a moderate.
    I'm at least trying to have a conversation. If you are going to say that I'm not a moderate. How can I possibly prove it. I guess I'll move along. 


    don't move along. just be very aware of what you will be getting if you support trump and he wins. it will be the exact same as before, but further right and more lawless, and more cruel. 
    I will probably regret staying in this thread. I wholly agree with what you are saying. I just see a lot more "moderates" getting tired of Biden's policies. It's a classic case of is "the grass is greener on the other side syndrome". Even though I disagreed with some of Obama's policies . I did respect that he was making the calls and would veto anything he didn't believe in. I don't think 2023 Joe Biden is willing to make the tough decisions.

    I referenced my opinion on Obama as an example. I didn't agree with all George Bush jr's decisions either.

    I get once you labeled me as a non moderate you will probably never value any of my thoughts. I do appreciate your last response though. 





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    of the 3 whats  the most accurate term to describe yourself?

    for me solid center, which means the topic or issue determines which way I lean.
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  • benjs
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    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    I think this kind of rationale is unfortunately not logical. You can’t combat extreme left behaviour with extreme right behaviour and expect normalization around the moderate center (it’s not like mixing black and white paint to form grey). 

    On track records, at this point it just fundamentally lacks truth to say that Biden’s tenure demonstrated more ‘extreme left’ than Trump did for the ‘extreme right’ during his (I don’t recall Biden related bans on incoming travellers based on nationality, insurrections he advocated for, tax cut g(r)ifts for the wealthy (ie himself and his family), etc. If you want more moderatism, you have to advocate for one of these candidates to come to the center, and Trump has shown zero ability to change or grow to-date.

    All of this is before we address the blatant dumbassery that was on display by Trump and every single soulless ring-kissing overpaid dipshit that he brought with him to grift from the public. If your moderatism is being questioned on here (it is by me at the very least), these reasons would be some of the reasons why. There is literally zero from Trump’s words or actions that suggests an ounce of moderatism inside that cold dead thing where Trump’s heart was supposed to be. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,389
    This is what passes for “moderateness” these days and exhibits Brandon’s lack of mental acuity and makes one wonder who’s “really running things.” From Letter From An American:

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  • The Juggler
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    edited January 2024
    Biden
    smile6680 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    smile6680 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    smile6680 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    ‘Biden’s not moderate enough so I’m voting for trump’ is just precious. 
    I guess. It's tough being a moderate in today's world. The only way to balance things out is to vote for the other side when I see things going to far in one direction or the other. I'ts why I voted for Biden last time. I was hoping that this time around we would have better/new candidates. 

    I guess I can hope Haley gets nominated or Biden/the Democratic party decides to have someone replace him. 
    Two reasons I don’t think you’re a moderate. 1. You think Biden isn’t moderate. 2. You’re going to vote for Trump. 
    definitely not a moderate. 

    nobody voting trump is a moderate.

    also, anybody that saw how trump performed while in office and said "yeah i want more of that" is not a moderate.
    I'm at least trying to have a conversation. If you are going to say that I'm not a moderate. How can I possibly prove it. I guess I'll move along. 


    don't move along. just be very aware of what you will be getting if you support trump and he wins. it will be the exact same as before, but further right and more lawless, and more cruel. 
    I will probably regret staying in this thread. I wholly agree with what you are saying. I just see a lot more "moderates" getting tired of Biden's policies. It's a classic case of is "the grass is greener on the other side syndrome". Even though I disagreed with some of Obama's policies . I did respect that he was making the calls and would veto anything he didn't believe in. I don't think 2023 Joe Biden is willing to make the tough decisions.

    I referenced my opinion on Obama as an example. I didn't agree with all George Bush jr's decisions either.

    I get once you labeled me as a non moderate you will probably never value any of my thoughts. I do appreciate your last response though. 





    This way of thinking is insane to me in 2024. Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not), you don't think that is better than someone who has and is actively trying to destroy democracy? Do you need a rundown of all the things Trump has been indicted for that could land him in prison for the rest of his life? You really wanna vote for that guy because you think Biden is too liberal?

    And as far as being mentally with it and being sure who is making the decisions.....you think Trump is better in this instance as well? What? He just confused Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi. He recently said magnets don't work when wet. He posts his feelings on his social media website hundreds of times a day--the dude is unstable. He suggested people take bleach to fight covid. He believes presidents have the right to murder their political opponents as long as he doesn't get impeached and convicted in the senate.

    Can I ask you a couple questions?

    Where do you get your news from?

    On a scale of 1-10, how closely have you been paying attention to the news? (with 10 being you read the paper/internet news sites and/or watch the news daily).
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  • Out of My Mind and Time
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    Trump has my vote. Along with the 1.5 million and growing in my state. Along with my 20 PJ tour buddies, co-workers, family and friends, neighbors. I do not know a single person voting for this current piece of shit in office now. No one. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,389
    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    Trump has my vote. Along with the 1.5 million and growing in my state. Along with my 20 PJ tour buddies, co-workers, family and friends, neighbors. I do not know a single person voting for this current piece of shit in office now. No one. 
    Good luck, ‘Murica, you’re going to need it.
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  • mrussel1
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    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    Trump has my vote. Along with the 1.5 million and growing in my state. Along with my 20 PJ tour buddies, co-workers, family and friends, neighbors. I do not know a single person voting for this current piece of shit in office now. No one. 
    You have a small circle of friends and family. Either that or you are so over the top with your words (like you are here) that they don't bother to argue with you.  Normal people don't write like you do.  
  • Ledbetterman10
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    The Juggler said:
    Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not), 
    Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).

    All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me. 

    And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,886
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not), 
    Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).

    All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me. 

    And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come. 
    Having a trans person around makes him a radical liberal? 

    Second,  you don't think there are white supremacists embedded in the MAGA movement? That is empirically true.  And it would be political malpractice not to highlight it.  

    Your comment about "puppet" also proves where you get your information.  Add I said,  this is a rampant right wing talking point.  So you also think Obama is really in charge?

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