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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,384
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 
    Benghazi 

    Never forget. 
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,813
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 
    Benghazi 

    Never forget. 
    Hillary’s emails too… we can’t have a president who mishandles classified information. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,948
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,384
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    Did the nation of Afghanistan or Iraq attack the US on 9/11? You need to get your facts right. How are Hamas’s leadership doing in the UAE? Maybe POOTWH can get Jared Dear Boy to turn them over?

    Will Bibi be held to account for supporting Hamas? And if calling for Gazans to be relocated to Egypt or other nations after bombing them when told to relocate is not ethnic cleansing, then I’m not sure that you know what it is.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,384
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    When do you call it “even” and Israel’s blood lust quenched?

    At least 23,084 people have been killed in Gaza and 58,926 wounded since the war began, the Gaza Health Ministry said. Israel estimates that 1,200 people were killed in Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,217
    Biden
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,217
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    Think of the right wing politicians in Israel as Hamas.  Those are the radicals, the ones stopping peace.  Just because they called for it doesn't mean Israel is guilty of it.  Those are some voices amongst many in Israel who don't want to forcibly remove.  If you ask not to judge all of Palestine by the actions of Hamas, then don't judge Israel by the words of some right wing politicians. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,384
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    Think of the right wing politicians in Israel as Hamas.  Those are the radicals, the ones stopping peace.  Just because they called for it doesn't mean Israel is guilty of it.  Those are some voices amongst many in Israel who don't want to forcibly remove.  If you ask not to judge all of Palestine by the actions of Hamas, then don't judge Israel by the words of some right wing politicians. 
    So, speaking of actions, how would you describe damaging 70% of buildings, destroying 50% of them, forcing a population to move from one part of Gaza to the other, north to south, or vice versa, and then bombing them anyway? What would you call destroying or denying any facet of infrastructure from healthcare to water, waste treatment and electricity to 100% of the population of Gaza? Do you consider that “collateral” damage, “collective punishment” or something else, like “ethnic cleansing?” 
    Sometimes words and actions aren’t in sync and sometimes the “quiet part” gets said out loud.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    Think of the right wing politicians in Israel as Hamas.  Those are the radicals, the ones stopping peace.  Just because they called for it doesn't mean Israel is guilty of it.  Those are some voices amongst many in Israel who don't want to forcibly remove.  If you ask not to judge all of Palestine by the actions of Hamas, then don't judge Israel by the words of some right wing politicians. 
    So, speaking of actions, how would you describe damaging 70% of buildings, destroying 50% of them, forcing a population to move from one part of Gaza to the other, north to south, or vice versa, and then bombing them anyway? What would you call destroying or denying any facet of infrastructure from healthcare to water, waste treatment and electricity to 100% of the population of Gaza? Do you consider that “collateral” damage, “collective punishment” or something else, like “ethnic cleansing?” 
    Sometimes words and actions aren’t in sync and sometimes the “quiet part” gets said out loud.
    You could replace Gaza with Hamburg, Dresden, Cologne, etc.  War is hell and Hamas started it. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,948
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    Think of the right wing politicians in Israel as Hamas.  Those are the radicals, the ones stopping peace.  Just because they called for it doesn't mean Israel is guilty of it.  Those are some voices amongst many in Israel who don't want to forcibly remove.  If you ask not to judge all of Palestine by the actions of Hamas, then don't judge Israel by the words of some right wing politicians. 
    So, speaking of actions, how would you describe damaging 70% of buildings, destroying 50% of them, forcing a population to move from one part of Gaza to the other, north to south, or vice versa, and then bombing them anyway? What would you call destroying or denying any facet of infrastructure from healthcare to water, waste treatment and electricity to 100% of the population of Gaza? Do you consider that “collateral” damage, “collective punishment” or something else, like “ethnic cleansing?” 
    Sometimes words and actions aren’t in sync and sometimes the “quiet part” gets said out loud.

    Hamas has to go. This war sucks, but anything short of forcing out Hamas will perpetuate the problem that led to the Oct 7th terrorist attacks. Did Hamas invade Israel and murder its civilians knowing that the international community will not insist on their unconditional surrender after Israel counterattacked? Because, yknow, it’s Israel.
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    Think of the right wing politicians in Israel as Hamas.  Those are the radicals, the ones stopping peace.  Just because they called for it doesn't mean Israel is guilty of it.  Those are some voices amongst many in Israel who don't want to forcibly remove.  If you ask not to judge all of Palestine by the actions of Hamas, then don't judge Israel by the words of some right wing politicians. 
    So, speaking of actions, how would you describe damaging 70% of buildings, destroying 50% of them, forcing a population to move from one part of Gaza to the other, north to south, or vice versa, and then bombing them anyway? What would you call destroying or denying any facet of infrastructure from healthcare to water, waste treatment and electricity to 100% of the population of Gaza? Do you consider that “collateral” damage, “collective punishment” or something else, like “ethnic cleansing?” 
    Sometimes words and actions aren’t in sync and sometimes the “quiet part” gets said out loud.

    Hamas has to go. This war sucks, but anything short of forcing out Hamas will perpetuate the problem that led to the Oct 7th terrorist attacks. Did Hamas invade Israel and murder its civilians knowing that the international community will not insist on their unconditional surrender after Israel counterattacked? Because, yknow, it’s Israel.
    If Israel continues to act in this way, what do you think happens the day after Hamas? Taliban -> Al Qaeda -> Isis, so Hamas -> who? 

    I agree with you that Hamas is A barrier to a solution that will have to go if there were to be peace in the region. I disagree that this is the way to get it done, unless Israel wants to expedite Hamas’s replacement.

    One last thing - in your eyes, this is a war that started on October 7, 2023. Forget about Hamas, but do you seriously believe that the Palestinians believe that to be the case? Take away the potential for a good future from any group, and you’ll see the desperation and survival instincts come out. Keep bombing their country and assuming there are any left, peace with them will be effectively impossible. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    Think of the right wing politicians in Israel as Hamas.  Those are the radicals, the ones stopping peace.  Just because they called for it doesn't mean Israel is guilty of it.  Those are some voices amongst many in Israel who don't want to forcibly remove.  If you ask not to judge all of Palestine by the actions of Hamas, then don't judge Israel by the words of some right wing politicians. 
    So, speaking of actions, how would you describe damaging 70% of buildings, destroying 50% of them, forcing a population to move from one part of Gaza to the other, north to south, or vice versa, and then bombing them anyway? What would you call destroying or denying any facet of infrastructure from healthcare to water, waste treatment and electricity to 100% of the population of Gaza? Do you consider that “collateral” damage, “collective punishment” or something else, like “ethnic cleansing?” 
    Sometimes words and actions aren’t in sync and sometimes the “quiet part” gets said out loud.

    Hamas has to go. This war sucks, but anything short of forcing out Hamas will perpetuate the problem that led to the Oct 7th terrorist attacks. Did Hamas invade Israel and murder its civilians knowing that the international community will not insist on their unconditional surrender after Israel counterattacked? Because, yknow, it’s Israel.
    Anything short of allowing the Palestinians the dignity of self rule, a defined border and to control their own destiny without the boot of the Israeli government in their neck will perpetuate the problem.
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    Think of the right wing politicians in Israel as Hamas.  Those are the radicals, the ones stopping peace.  Just because they called for it doesn't mean Israel is guilty of it.  Those are some voices amongst many in Israel who don't want to forcibly remove.  If you ask not to judge all of Palestine by the actions of Hamas, then don't judge Israel by the words of some right wing politicians. 
    So, speaking of actions, how would you describe damaging 70% of buildings, destroying 50% of them, forcing a population to move from one part of Gaza to the other, north to south, or vice versa, and then bombing them anyway? What would you call destroying or denying any facet of infrastructure from healthcare to water, waste treatment and electricity to 100% of the population of Gaza? Do you consider that “collateral” damage, “collective punishment” or something else, like “ethnic cleansing?” 
    Sometimes words and actions aren’t in sync and sometimes the “quiet part” gets said out loud.

    Hamas has to go. This war sucks, but anything short of forcing out Hamas will perpetuate the problem that led to the Oct 7th terrorist attacks. Did Hamas invade Israel and murder its civilians knowing that the international community will not insist on their unconditional surrender after Israel counterattacked? Because, yknow, it’s Israel.
    Getting rid of Hamas doesn’t put an end to the problem. The same dynamic was happening 35 years ago, and the same thing will be happening 35 years in the future. You can’t kill thousands of innocent kids the have everyone hold hands in a circle when the fighting stops. 
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    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    Think of the right wing politicians in Israel as Hamas.  Those are the radicals, the ones stopping peace.  Just because they called for it doesn't mean Israel is guilty of it.  Those are some voices amongst many in Israel who don't want to forcibly remove.  If you ask not to judge all of Palestine by the actions of Hamas, then don't judge Israel by the words of some right wing politicians. 
    So, speaking of actions, how would you describe damaging 70% of buildings, destroying 50% of them, forcing a population to move from one part of Gaza to the other, north to south, or vice versa, and then bombing them anyway? What would you call destroying or denying any facet of infrastructure from healthcare to water, waste treatment and electricity to 100% of the population of Gaza? Do you consider that “collateral” damage, “collective punishment” or something else, like “ethnic cleansing?” 
    Sometimes words and actions aren’t in sync and sometimes the “quiet part” gets said out loud.
    You could replace Gaza with Hamburg, Dresden, Cologne, etc.  War is hell and Hamas started it. 
    By that reasoning, we should jettison the UN, the International Criminal Court, The Hague and legalize slavery, for example. Might as well bring back mustard and chlorine gas in armed conflict as well. Hey, while we’re at it, let’s jettison all the nuclear treaties and let anyone who wants a nuclear weapon to have one, like Iran. Or look away when Putin on the ritz uses a tactical one on Ukraine, right?
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    mrussel1 said:
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    What I find disturbing and most depressing is not that we had POOTWH as POTUS and likely will again but rather that after all we now know and with the doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on all of it with the enabling of the repub party apparatus and SCOTUS, that even more ‘Muricans will vote for and re-elect him. This is an openly corrupt and disgusting human being who is okay with detention camps and despots and the majority of the ‘Murican voters agree. This deplorableness is ‘Murica.

    I never thought I’d live to see it swing back to the 1950’s or 1850’s but here we are. Good luck with the daily reminders of what your future will be.

    Trump will get at least the same amount of votes he received in 2020. Biden likely will not. You can guess what the biggest factor will be.
    1. Support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing
    2. US oil production at the highest levels ever
    3. Bernie Bros voting RFK, jr.
    4. Hunter’s laptop 
    5. Stealing the 2020 election 


    Get your facts straight. Israel was attacked during a cease fire and 1500 of their civilians were murdered and 250 were taken hostage. You complain about misinformation endlessly yet post it yourself.

    as long as a percentage of democrats want to support an authoritarian terrorist nation, trump will win.
    bro, prominent right wing israeli politicians are calling for palestinians to not be allowed in gaza. calling for them to be moved from there and let settlers take over. that is ethnic cleansing. not a good look, and not a good position to defend. maybe pipe down on the hyperbole a bit. 
    Calling for something is not "ethnic cleansing".  They would need to actually remove or murder them to meet that standard. 

    There's no justification for what Hamas did in their attack.  
    what they are calling for is ethnic cleansing. they are calling to cleanse the area of palestinians and make room for settlers to move onto that land. if that gets implemented they will be participating in ethnic cleansing.

    i don't see anybody justifying what hamas did. hamas needs to go. hamas has done the palestinians a grave disservice all these years. i think most people agree that hamas does not represent the regular palestinians and has been detrimental to their side in this conflict.
    Think of the right wing politicians in Israel as Hamas.  Those are the radicals, the ones stopping peace.  Just because they called for it doesn't mean Israel is guilty of it.  Those are some voices amongst many in Israel who don't want to forcibly remove.  If you ask not to judge all of Palestine by the actions of Hamas, then don't judge Israel by the words of some right wing politicians. 
    While not blaming all of the Jews of the world or all of the Jews of Israel, I certainly will call out the Zionists and their enablers such as Bibi who tried to play to both sides of the Hamas/Israeli divide. When elected representatives of a nuclear armed nation speak of "ethnic cleansing" people should listen, eh? Afterall, isn't that what we've been taught about Hitler and WWII?

    Still waiting for an answer as to when it'll be "even steven."

    Israeli calls for Gaza’s ethnic cleansing are only getting louder

    Nearly three months of war have left Gaza in ruins. Israel’s quest to eradicate militant group Hamas after it carried out its deadly Oct. 7 attack looks far from finished, no matter the skyrocketing death toll for Palestinians. More than 20,000 people have been killed in the Gaza Strip due to Israeli bombardments and the ongoing offensive. A sprawling humanitarian crisis has seen close to 90 percent of Gazans displaced and the majority of the embattled territory’s more than 2 million population teetering on the brink of famine.

    “I’ve been to all kinds of conflicts and all kinds of crises,” Arif Husain, chief economist for the U.N.’s World Food Program, told the New Yorker this week. “In my life, I’ve never seen anything like this in terms of severity, in terms of scale, and then in terms of speed.”

    The human misery unfurling across Gaza finds little sympathy in the Israeli public discourse, where the priority remains the vanquishing of Hamas — perpetrators of the single bloodiest slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust — and the freeing of hostages held in Hamas’s Gazan redoubts. Indeed, a steady drumbeat of sound bites from Israeli lawmakers and other politicos has urged an even more devastating fate for the territory.

    Members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition have called for the dropping of a nuclear bomb on densely-populated Gaza, the total annihilation of the territory as a mark of retribution, and the immiseration of its people to the point that they have no choice but to abandon their homeland.

    This week alone, a parliamentarian from Netanyahu’s Likud party went on television and said it was clear to most Israelis that “all the Gazans need to be destroyed.” Then, Israel’s ambassador in Britain told local radio that there was no other solution for her country than to level “every school, every mosque, every second house” in Gaza to degrade Hamas’s military infrastructure.

    This accumulating rhetoric forms part of the 84-page application filed by the government of South Africa at the International Court of Justice, accusing Israel of actions that amount to genocide or failure to prevent genocide. Though it condemns Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack, the South African case argues “no armed attack on a State’s territory no matter how serious — even an attack involving atrocity crimes — can … provide any possible justification for, or defense to, breaches” of the Genocide Convention. Israel’s military campaign in Gaza, it explains, has already “laid waste to vast areas of Gaza, including entire neighborhoods, and has damaged or destroyed in excess of 355,000 Palestinian homes,” rendering swaths of the territory uninhabitable for a long period of time to come. Israeli authorities, claimed the South African complaint, have failed to suppress “direct and public incitement to commit genocide” from a host of Israeli politicians, journalists and public officials.

    That includes far-right figures like finance minister Bezalel Smotrich and national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir, who do little to hide their vision of an ethnically-cleansed Gaza. “What needs to be done in the Gaza Strip is to encourage emigration,” Smotrich said in an interview Sunday with Israeli Army Radio. “If there are 100,000 or 200,000 Arabs in Gaza and not 2 million Arabs, the entire discussion on the day after will be totally different.” Ben Gvir separately called for the de facto forced migration of hundreds of thousands out of Gaza.

    U.S. and other Western officials condemned these statements as “inflammatory and irresponsible.” But such pushback is doing little to change the tone of the conflict. Netanyahu himself, according to my colleagues, tried to cajole Egypt and other Arab governments and states elsewhere into taking Gazan refugees — a non-starter for many in the Middle East, who fear further Palestinian dispossession of their lands.

    Israeli calls for de facto ethnic cleansing and potential Israeli settlement of Gaza may not reflect the actual position of Israel’s wartime cabinet. “In private, Israeli officials say the proposals [to relocate Gazans] stem from the political imperatives of Netanyahu’s coalition and his dependence on far-right parties to maintain power,” my colleagues reported.

    “The professionals in the military and the security establishment know this is not even in the realm of possibility,” a person directly familiar with conversations inside the Israeli government told The Washington Post, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. “They know there is no future without Gazans in Gaza and the [Palestinian Authority] as part of the government.”

    But Netanyahu and his allies remain conspicuously vague about their imagined endgame for Gaza. That uncertainty, analysts contend, only deepens concerns about Israel’s intent among its Arab neighbors, including Gulf monarchies that were warming to the Jewish state.

    “Nobody is going to take the steps that would precede new normalization agreements when Netanyahu is rebuffing Arab states demands on a two-state political process and also insisting that they should fund Gaza reconstruction with no questions asked or strings attached,” wrote Michael Koplow and David Halperin of the Israel Policy Forum.

    “Iran and its proxies are not going to be deterred when visiting high-ranking U.S. officials repeatedly lay out their vision for a postwar Gaza and Israeli cabinet members fall over each other in their rush to the television studios to offer public rebuttals,” they added, arguing that it was vital for the Biden administration to push the Israelis to face up to these realities.

    Meanwhile, a group of prominent Israelis, including former lawmakers, top scientists and intellectuals, wrote a joint letter Wednesday condemning Israel’s judicial authorities for not reining in the genocidal rhetoric widely on show. “For the first time that we can remember, the explicit calls to commit atrocious crimes, as stated, against millions of civilians have turned into a legitimate and regular part of Israeli discourse,” they wrote. “Today, calls of these types are an everyday matter in Israel.”

    Israeli calls for Gaza’s ethnic cleansing are only getting louder - The Washington Post

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    I have no idea what you're saying to me. 
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    I have no idea what you're saying to me. 

    pretty sure you arent the intended audience
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