the tour shows are going to be in that 2:20-2:40 duration they been doing the past couple of years. I see no reason they're changing that. They've dealt with sick bandmembers impacting shows, no reason to extend themselves even more now that they're 60 years old. The ballpark shows, if they're spaced out may get some extra love but we just have to be thrilled this band is still touring, making new music (which helps get them jazzed to tour), and enjoy the last big hurrahs we're gonna get from these guys.
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So, the consensus is that there will be some ballpark shows, right? What are people's thoughts on the recent trend of shorter shows with a stripped-down five songs to start. Do they continue that trend, or do they try to do something bigger for those shows?
Great question. A 30+ song set would be a great feature of a ballpark show to offset the ballparkness.
I don’t believe the 30+ is ever coming back. It was clearly not a popular decision with the fanbase, and as soon as they play even one long one again the questions start back up. I think it’s gone for good. if they wanted to prove me wrong though I have a Indy ticket and we’re thinking about Philly
Yah, that was always going to be the impact of going to the 3 hour+ barn burners at every show, at some point (most likely due to age) they would have to dial it back at some point.
I'm glad we got that era, I really enjoyed the shows I saw in '13, '16 and '18. I'm a little bummed it's most likely over, but I understand not everyone in the band ages at the same pace, so they need to do to insure all 5 to 7 members can keep touring (I'd rather they play 2 to 2.5 hour shows, then no shows, it's still an amazing couple of hours).
tbh i prefer the 2 night stands with vastly different setlists. More room for actual flexibility
Having only 1 repeat between 2 shows in Austin was fabulous
I kept waiting for Even Flow because I really had to pee. But it never came. I ended up having to stand in line during the encore break like a rookie.
So, the consensus is that there will be some ballpark shows, right? What are people's thoughts on the recent trend of shorter shows with a stripped-down five songs to start. Do they continue that trend, or do they try to do something bigger for those shows?
Great question. A 30+ song set would be a great feature of a ballpark show to offset the ballparkness.
I don’t believe the 30+ is ever coming back. It was clearly not a popular decision with the fanbase, and as soon as they play even one long one again the questions start back up. I think it’s gone for good. if they wanted to prove me wrong though I have a Indy ticket and we’re thinking about Philly
Yah, that was always going to be the impact of going to the 3 hour+ barn burners at every show, at some point (most likely due to age) they would have to dial it back at some point.
I'm glad we got that era, I really enjoyed the shows I saw in '13, '16 and '18. I'm a little bummed it's most likely over, but I understand not everyone in the band ages at the same pace, so they need to do to insure all 5 to 7 members can keep touring (I'd rather they play 2 to 2.5 hour shows, then no shows, it's still an amazing couple of hours).
tbh i prefer the 2 night stands with vastly different setlists. More room for actual flexibility
Having only 1 repeat between 2 shows in Austin was fabulous
I kept waiting for Even Flow because I really had to pee. But it never came. I ended up having to stand in line during the encore break like a rookie.
7:00 - the new Even Flow
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I cant see 22 song set list in the stadiums, I would think 30 is more like it, imo
Matt’s workload won’t change with venues.
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So, the consensus is that there will be some ballpark shows, right? What are people's thoughts on the recent trend of shorter shows with a stripped-down five songs to start. Do they continue that trend, or do they try to do something bigger for those shows?
Great question. A 30+ song set would be a great feature of a ballpark show to offset the ballparkness.
I don’t believe the 30+ is ever coming back. It was clearly not a popular decision with the fanbase, and as soon as they play even one long one again the questions start back up. I think it’s gone for good. if they wanted to prove me wrong though I have a Indy ticket and we’re thinking about Philly
Yah, that was always going to be the impact of going to the 3 hour+ barn burners at every show, at some point (most likely due to age) they would have to dial it back at some point.
I'm glad we got that era, I really enjoyed the shows I saw in '13, '16 and '18. I'm a little bummed it's most likely over, but I understand not everyone in the band ages at the same pace, so they need to do to insure all 5 to 7 members can keep touring (I'd rather they play 2 to 2.5 hour shows, then no shows, it's still an amazing couple of hours).
tbh i prefer the 2 night stands with vastly different setlists. More room for actual flexibility
Having only 1 repeat between 2 shows in Austin was fabulous
I kept waiting for Even Flow because I really had to pee. But it never came. I ended up having to stand in line during the encore break like a rookie.
So, the consensus is that there will be some ballpark shows, right? What are people's thoughts on the recent trend of shorter shows with a stripped-down five songs to start. Do they continue that trend, or do they try to do something bigger for those shows?
Great question. A 30+ song set would be a great feature of a ballpark show to offset the ballparkness.
I don’t believe the 30+ is ever coming back. It was clearly not a popular decision with the fanbase, and as soon as they play even one long one again the questions start back up. I think it’s gone for good. if they wanted to prove me wrong though I have a Indy ticket and we’re thinking about Philly
Yah, that was always going to be the impact of going to the 3 hour+ barn burners at every show, at some point (most likely due to age) they would have to dial it back at some point.
I'm glad we got that era, I really enjoyed the shows I saw in '13, '16 and '18. I'm a little bummed it's most likely over, but I understand not everyone in the band ages at the same pace, so they need to do to insure all 5 to 7 members can keep touring (I'd rather they play 2 to 2.5 hour shows, then no shows, it's still an amazing couple of hours).
tbh i prefer the 2 night stands with vastly different setlists. More room for actual flexibility
Having only 1 repeat between 2 shows in Austin was fabulous
I kept waiting for Even Flow because I really had to pee. But it never came. I ended up having to stand in line during the encore break like a rookie.
That's my dream tbh
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Earthling precedent notwithstanding, it would surprise me if they released a single without announcing the album that it's from. It would be marketing malpractice. Of course, they did exactly that with "Can't Deny Me," so anything's possible.
Or maybe they'll announce the new single is from the forthcoming album, and then it will turn out that the album is titled forthcoming and "Can't Deny Me" will also be on it. That would be some retconning right there.
Ummm... As I think you said in your second paragraph, Can't Deny Me was supposed to be on something released in 2018. Obviously, that never happened.
...and honestly, it turned out ok. A 2019 tour for a new album would have had to been paused until late 2021 at the earliest.
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So, the consensus is that there will be some ballpark shows, right? What are people's thoughts on the recent trend of shorter shows with a stripped-down five songs to start. Do they continue that trend, or do they try to do something bigger for those shows?
Great question. A 30+ song set would be a great feature of a ballpark show to offset the ballparkness.
I don’t believe the 30+ is ever coming back. It was clearly not a popular decision with the fanbase, and as soon as they play even one long one again the questions start back up. I think it’s gone for good. if they wanted to prove me wrong though I have a Indy ticket and we’re thinking about Philly
It probably would have been more popular if they included more rarities and B-sides and fewer covers. I think most of the heat from the fans was from the number of covers.
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I’ve always understood that arenas book on availability for concerts then book for the basketball and hockey games. Can’t wait for the US tour announcement.
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So, the consensus is that there will be some ballpark shows, right? What are people's thoughts on the recent trend of shorter shows with a stripped-down five songs to start. Do they continue that trend, or do they try to do something bigger for those shows?
Great question. A 30+ song set would be a great feature of a ballpark show to offset the ballparkness.
I don’t believe the 30+ is ever coming back. It was clearly not a popular decision with the fanbase, and as soon as they play even one long one again the questions start back up. I think it’s gone for good. if they wanted to prove me wrong though I have a Indy ticket and we’re thinking about Philly
Yah, that was always going to be the impact of going to the 3 hour+ barn burners at every show, at some point (most likely due to age) they would have to dial it back at some point.
I'm glad we got that era, I really enjoyed the shows I saw in '13, '16 and '18. I'm a little bummed it's most likely over, but I understand not everyone in the band ages at the same pace, so they need to do to insure all 5 to 7 members can keep touring (I'd rather they play 2 to 2.5 hour shows, then no shows, it's still an amazing couple of hours).
tbh i prefer the 2 night stands with vastly different setlists. More room for actual flexibility
Having only 1 repeat between 2 shows in Austin was fabulous
I kept waiting for Even Flow because I really had to pee. But it never came. I ended up having to stand in line during the encore break like a rookie.
Rookie move.
Pee during the break after the opening band. Use that time to put your Depends on.
Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
I’ve always understood that arenas book on availability for concerts then book for the basketball and hockey games. Can’t wait for the US tour announcement.
Are you sure about that? TV schedules come into play a lot. PJ had to move their previously-announced 2016 date in Toronto because of a playoff game needing that date.
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I’m considering doing the Vancouver shows (assuming the dates are correct), but I’m a little concerned about a last-minute date change due to the NHL playoffs. Anyone have any thoughts/insight on this?
That's been known to happen. Playoffs usually take priority. A recent example is GnR having to move their show from the Diamondbacks stadium last fall.
Three straight days off at a venue during the playoffs isn't unlikely because they will have away games for part of each series. But whether they'd be home or away on certain dates depends on seedlings and when each series starts which is tough to predict at this point.
This occurred to me about the Vancouver dates too. They must be banking on the 'nucks sucking again, but they do have a decent regular season record thus far. How deep in the playoffs do you need to got to make it to early may? 2nd round?
Unless the shows are at the pacific coliseum, which would kind of suck. Rogers Arena is a really good concert arena, there's a reason they replace the coliseum
Second round is about right. Nhl season ends April 18. Vancouver is best team in league right now. They would have to have a pretty good collapse to not make playoffs at this point. Kraken are fighting for a playoff spot but until yesterday had been rolling.
If the Canucks keep rolling and win the division they'd be home if there's a game 7 in round 1 and for the first two games of round 2. Since the regular season ends on April 18 this year, adding four days to last year's playoff schedule would put a game 7 on May 4 or 5, game 1 of round 2 on May 6 or 7. So it certainly looks like a conflict is possible.
Interesting. Appreciate the insight. I’m guessing (hoping) if a conflict were to occur, the show(s) would only be moved by a day or two. Decisions, decisions …
Very interesting... if round 1 doesn't go to a game 7, does this remove any potential conflict? Also, based upon your work, the NHL could do a May 5 or May 7 in your scenario... which would also not conflict, although a May 5 would be torture for stage take down/setup...etc. These are the shows I would be blessed to see... and travel to (a distance)....... hopefully they are waiting longer / taking their time to help ensure no conflict.
If there is no game 7, that would certainly reduce the chance of a conflict, assuming my guess about the playoff schedule is accurate. And most first round series don't go 7. But we might not know until a few days before when the series ends.
Come to Toronto! Raptors aren’t a playoff team and Leafs have won one round in 20 years.
In 2016, the 2nd night in Toronto got moved a day to accommodate a Raptors playoff game. So plenty of precedent for a show one night, game the next, and then another show following night.
Earthling precedent notwithstanding, it would surprise me if they released a single without announcing the album that it's from. It would be marketing malpractice. Of course, they did exactly that with "Can't Deny Me," so anything's possible.
Or maybe they'll announce the new single is from the forthcoming album, and then it will turn out that the album is titled forthcoming and "Can't Deny Me" will also be on it. That would be some retconning right there.
Ummm... As I think you said in your second paragraph, Can't Deny Me was supposed to be on something released in 2018. Obviously, that never happened.
...and honestly, it turned out ok. A 2019 tour for a new album would have had to been paused until late 2021 at the earliest.
It's good to see that my post was completely lost on you.
I’m considering doing the Vancouver shows (assuming the dates are correct), but I’m a little concerned about a last-minute date change due to the NHL playoffs. Anyone have any thoughts/insight on this?
That's been known to happen. Playoffs usually take priority. A recent example is GnR having to move their show from the Diamondbacks stadium last fall.
Three straight days off at a venue during the playoffs isn't unlikely because they will have away games for part of each series. But whether they'd be home or away on certain dates depends on seedlings and when each series starts which is tough to predict at this point.
This occurred to me about the Vancouver dates too. They must be banking on the 'nucks sucking again, but they do have a decent regular season record thus far. How deep in the playoffs do you need to got to make it to early may? 2nd round?
Unless the shows are at the pacific coliseum, which would kind of suck. Rogers Arena is a really good concert arena, there's a reason they replace the coliseum
Second round is about right. Nhl season ends April 18. Vancouver is best team in league right now. They would have to have a pretty good collapse to not make playoffs at this point. Kraken are fighting for a playoff spot but until yesterday had been rolling.
If the Canucks keep rolling and win the division they'd be home if there's a game 7 in round 1 and for the first two games of round 2. Since the regular season ends on April 18 this year, adding four days to last year's playoff schedule would put a game 7 on May 4 or 5, game 1 of round 2 on May 6 or 7. So it certainly looks like a conflict is possible.
Interesting. Appreciate the insight. I’m guessing (hoping) if a conflict were to occur, the show(s) would only be moved by a day or two. Decisions, decisions …
Very interesting... if round 1 doesn't go to a game 7, does this remove any potential conflict? Also, based upon your work, the NHL could do a May 5 or May 7 in your scenario... which would also not conflict, although a May 5 would be torture for stage take down/setup...etc. These are the shows I would be blessed to see... and travel to (a distance)....... hopefully they are waiting longer / taking their time to help ensure no conflict.
If there is no game 7, that would certainly reduce the chance of a conflict, assuming my guess about the playoff schedule is accurate. And most first round series don't go 7. But we might not know until a few days before when the series ends.
Come to Toronto! Raptors aren’t a playoff team and Leafs have won one round in 20 years.
In 2016, the 2nd night in Toronto got moved a day to accommodate a Raptors playoff game. So plenty of precedent for a show one night, game the next, and then another show following night.
Also - THIS is the Leafs' year
It will never be the Leafs' year as long as Pajama Boy is on the team.
I’m considering doing the Vancouver shows (assuming the dates are correct), but I’m a little concerned about a last-minute date change due to the NHL playoffs. Anyone have any thoughts/insight on this?
That's been known to happen. Playoffs usually take priority. A recent example is GnR having to move their show from the Diamondbacks stadium last fall.
Three straight days off at a venue during the playoffs isn't unlikely because they will have away games for part of each series. But whether they'd be home or away on certain dates depends on seedlings and when each series starts which is tough to predict at this point.
This occurred to me about the Vancouver dates too. They must be banking on the 'nucks sucking again, but they do have a decent regular season record thus far. How deep in the playoffs do you need to got to make it to early may? 2nd round?
Unless the shows are at the pacific coliseum, which would kind of suck. Rogers Arena is a really good concert arena, there's a reason they replace the coliseum
Second round is about right. Nhl season ends April 18. Vancouver is best team in league right now. They would have to have a pretty good collapse to not make playoffs at this point. Kraken are fighting for a playoff spot but until yesterday had been rolling.
If the Canucks keep rolling and win the division they'd be home if there's a game 7 in round 1 and for the first two games of round 2. Since the regular season ends on April 18 this year, adding four days to last year's playoff schedule would put a game 7 on May 4 or 5, game 1 of round 2 on May 6 or 7. So it certainly looks like a conflict is possible.
Interesting. Appreciate the insight. I’m guessing (hoping) if a conflict were to occur, the show(s) would only be moved by a day or two. Decisions, decisions …
Very interesting... if round 1 doesn't go to a game 7, does this remove any potential conflict? Also, based upon your work, the NHL could do a May 5 or May 7 in your scenario... which would also not conflict, although a May 5 would be torture for stage take down/setup...etc. These are the shows I would be blessed to see... and travel to (a distance)....... hopefully they are waiting longer / taking their time to help ensure no conflict.
If there is no game 7, that would certainly reduce the chance of a conflict, assuming my guess about the playoff schedule is accurate. And most first round series don't go 7. But we might not know until a few days before when the series ends.
Come to Toronto! Raptors aren’t a playoff team and Leafs have won one round in 20 years.
In 2016, the 2nd night in Toronto got moved a day to accommodate a Raptors playoff game. So plenty of precedent for a show one night, game the next, and then another show following night.
Also - THIS is the Leafs' year
I recall, I was there N1 and thanks to the reschedule also N2. That was when the Raptors were a playoff team but pre-Kawhi. There won’t be any Raptors playoffs this year.
I am a Leafs fan and I want to believe in the team but something isn’t right with them. It’s kind of their energy I think. When I watch a Buffalo or Ottawa or Detroit or Montreal, none of which have the same high end talent as the Leafs, those teams all seem hungrier and more into the games. And those aren’t even the best teams in the division like Boston and Florida. I think the suffering is going to continue and that includes me. But hey, who needs hockey when there’s a PJ spring tour.
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Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I’m considering doing the Vancouver shows (assuming the dates are correct), but I’m a little concerned about a last-minute date change due to the NHL playoffs. Anyone have any thoughts/insight on this?
That's been known to happen. Playoffs usually take priority. A recent example is GnR having to move their show from the Diamondbacks stadium last fall.
Three straight days off at a venue during the playoffs isn't unlikely because they will have away games for part of each series. But whether they'd be home or away on certain dates depends on seedlings and when each series starts which is tough to predict at this point.
This occurred to me about the Vancouver dates too. They must be banking on the 'nucks sucking again, but they do have a decent regular season record thus far. How deep in the playoffs do you need to got to make it to early may? 2nd round?
Unless the shows are at the pacific coliseum, which would kind of suck. Rogers Arena is a really good concert arena, there's a reason they replace the coliseum
Second round is about right. Nhl season ends April 18. Vancouver is best team in league right now. They would have to have a pretty good collapse to not make playoffs at this point. Kraken are fighting for a playoff spot but until yesterday had been rolling.
If the Canucks keep rolling and win the division they'd be home if there's a game 7 in round 1 and for the first two games of round 2. Since the regular season ends on April 18 this year, adding four days to last year's playoff schedule would put a game 7 on May 4 or 5, game 1 of round 2 on May 6 or 7. So it certainly looks like a conflict is possible.
Interesting. Appreciate the insight. I’m guessing (hoping) if a conflict were to occur, the show(s) would only be moved by a day or two. Decisions, decisions …
Very interesting... if round 1 doesn't go to a game 7, does this remove any potential conflict? Also, based upon your work, the NHL could do a May 5 or May 7 in your scenario... which would also not conflict, although a May 5 would be torture for stage take down/setup...etc. These are the shows I would be blessed to see... and travel to (a distance)....... hopefully they are waiting longer / taking their time to help ensure no conflict.
If there is no game 7, that would certainly reduce the chance of a conflict, assuming my guess about the playoff schedule is accurate. And most first round series don't go 7. But we might not know until a few days before when the series ends.
Come to Toronto! Raptors aren’t a playoff team and Leafs have won one round in 20 years.
In 2016, the 2nd night in Toronto got moved a day to accommodate a Raptors playoff game. So plenty of precedent for a show one night, game the next, and then another show following night.
Also - THIS is the Leafs' year
I recall, I was there N1 and thanks to the reschedule also N2. That was when the Raptors were a playoff team but pre-Kawhi. There won’t be any Raptors playoffs this year.
I am a Leafs fan and I want to believe in the team but something isn’t right with them. It’s kind of their energy I think. When I watch a Buffalo or Ottawa or Detroit or Montreal, none of which have the same high end talent as the Leafs, those teams all seem hungrier and more into the games. And those aren’t even the best teams in the division like Boston and Florida. I think the suffering is going to continue and that includes me. But hey, who needs hockey when there’s a PJ spring tour.
With the Habs you don’t need talent, just passion that the leafs clearly lack! 😉
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I’m considering doing the Vancouver shows (assuming the dates are correct), but I’m a little concerned about a last-minute date change due to the NHL playoffs. Anyone have any thoughts/insight on this?
That's been known to happen. Playoffs usually take priority. A recent example is GnR having to move their show from the Diamondbacks stadium last fall.
Three straight days off at a venue during the playoffs isn't unlikely because they will have away games for part of each series. But whether they'd be home or away on certain dates depends on seedlings and when each series starts which is tough to predict at this point.
This occurred to me about the Vancouver dates too. They must be banking on the 'nucks sucking again, but they do have a decent regular season record thus far. How deep in the playoffs do you need to got to make it to early may? 2nd round?
Unless the shows are at the pacific coliseum, which would kind of suck. Rogers Arena is a really good concert arena, there's a reason they replace the coliseum
Second round is about right. Nhl season ends April 18. Vancouver is best team in league right now. They would have to have a pretty good collapse to not make playoffs at this point. Kraken are fighting for a playoff spot but until yesterday had been rolling.
If the Canucks keep rolling and win the division they'd be home if there's a game 7 in round 1 and for the first two games of round 2. Since the regular season ends on April 18 this year, adding four days to last year's playoff schedule would put a game 7 on May 4 or 5, game 1 of round 2 on May 6 or 7. So it certainly looks like a conflict is possible.
Interesting. Appreciate the insight. I’m guessing (hoping) if a conflict were to occur, the show(s) would only be moved by a day or two. Decisions, decisions …
Very interesting... if round 1 doesn't go to a game 7, does this remove any potential conflict? Also, based upon your work, the NHL could do a May 5 or May 7 in your scenario... which would also not conflict, although a May 5 would be torture for stage take down/setup...etc. These are the shows I would be blessed to see... and travel to (a distance)....... hopefully they are waiting longer / taking their time to help ensure no conflict.
If there is no game 7, that would certainly reduce the chance of a conflict, assuming my guess about the playoff schedule is accurate. And most first round series don't go 7. But we might not know until a few days before when the series ends.
Come to Toronto! Raptors aren’t a playoff team and Leafs have won one round in 20 years.
In 2016, the 2nd night in Toronto got moved a day to accommodate a Raptors playoff game. So plenty of precedent for a show one night, game the next, and then another show following night.
Also - THIS is the Leafs' year
I recall, I was there N1 and thanks to the reschedule also N2. That was when the Raptors were a playoff team but pre-Kawhi. There won’t be any Raptors playoffs this year.
I am a Leafs fan and I want to believe in the team but something isn’t right with them. It’s kind of their energy I think. When I watch a Buffalo or Ottawa or Detroit or Montreal, none of which have the same high end talent as the Leafs, those teams all seem hungrier and more into the games. And those aren’t even the best teams in the division like Boston and Florida. I think the suffering is going to continue and that includes me. But hey, who needs hockey when there’s a PJ spring tour.
With the Habs you don’t need talent, just passion that the leafs clearly lack! 😉
Yeah passion, a similar concept as energy. Obviously you also need talent. Not to mention a good goalie.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
So, the consensus is that there will be some ballpark shows, right? What are people's thoughts on the recent trend of shorter shows with a stripped-down five songs to start. Do they continue that trend, or do they try to do something bigger for those shows?
Great question. A 30+ song set would be a great feature of a ballpark show to offset the ballparkness.
I don’t believe the 30+ is ever coming back. It was clearly not a popular decision with the fanbase, and as soon as they play even one long one again the questions start back up. I think it’s gone for good. if they wanted to prove me wrong though I have a Indy ticket and we’re thinking about Philly
Yah, that was always going to be the impact of going to the 3 hour+ barn burners at every show, at some point (most likely due to age) they would have to dial it back at some point.
I'm glad we got that era, I really enjoyed the shows I saw in '13, '16 and '18. I'm a little bummed it's most likely over, but I understand not everyone in the band ages at the same pace, so they need to do to insure all 5 to 7 members can keep touring (I'd rather they play 2 to 2.5 hour shows, then no shows, it's still an amazing couple of hours).
tbh i prefer the 2 night stands with vastly different setlists. More room for actual flexibility
Having only 1 repeat between 2 shows in Austin was fabulous
I kept waiting for Even Flow because I really had to pee. But it never came. I ended up having to stand in line during the encore break like a rookie.
Standing in line to buy $12-16 beer only to stand in another line to pee it out and miss multiple songs is a rookie move.
I’m considering doing the Vancouver shows (assuming the dates are correct), but I’m a little concerned about a last-minute date change due to the NHL playoffs. Anyone have any thoughts/insight on this?
That's been known to happen. Playoffs usually take priority. A recent example is GnR having to move their show from the Diamondbacks stadium last fall.
Three straight days off at a venue during the playoffs isn't unlikely because they will have away games for part of each series. But whether they'd be home or away on certain dates depends on seedlings and when each series starts which is tough to predict at this point.
This occurred to me about the Vancouver dates too. They must be banking on the 'nucks sucking again, but they do have a decent regular season record thus far. How deep in the playoffs do you need to got to make it to early may? 2nd round?
Unless the shows are at the pacific coliseum, which would kind of suck. Rogers Arena is a really good concert arena, there's a reason they replace the coliseum
Second round is about right. Nhl season ends April 18. Vancouver is best team in league right now. They would have to have a pretty good collapse to not make playoffs at this point. Kraken are fighting for a playoff spot but until yesterday had been rolling.
If the Canucks keep rolling and win the division they'd be home if there's a game 7 in round 1 and for the first two games of round 2. Since the regular season ends on April 18 this year, adding four days to last year's playoff schedule would put a game 7 on May 4 or 5, game 1 of round 2 on May 6 or 7. So it certainly looks like a conflict is possible.
Interesting. Appreciate the insight. I’m guessing (hoping) if a conflict were to occur, the show(s) would only be moved by a day or two. Decisions, decisions …
Very interesting... if round 1 doesn't go to a game 7, does this remove any potential conflict? Also, based upon your work, the NHL could do a May 5 or May 7 in your scenario... which would also not conflict, although a May 5 would be torture for stage take down/setup...etc. These are the shows I would be blessed to see... and travel to (a distance)....... hopefully they are waiting longer / taking their time to help ensure no conflict.
If there is no game 7, that would certainly reduce the chance of a conflict, assuming my guess about the playoff schedule is accurate. And most first round series don't go 7. But we might not know until a few days before when the series ends.
Come to Toronto! Raptors aren’t a playoff team and Leafs have won one round in 20 years.
In 2016, the 2nd night in Toronto got moved a day to accommodate a Raptors playoff game. So plenty of precedent for a show one night, game the next, and then another show following night.
Also - THIS is the Leafs' year
I recall, I was there N1 and thanks to the reschedule also N2. That was when the Raptors were a playoff team but pre-Kawhi. There won’t be any Raptors playoffs this year.
I am a Leafs fan and I want to believe in the team but something isn’t right with them. It’s kind of their energy I think. When I watch a Buffalo or Ottawa or Detroit or Montreal, none of which have the same high end talent as the Leafs, those teams all seem hungrier and more into the games. And those aren’t even the best teams in the division like Boston and Florida. I think the suffering is going to continue and that includes me. But hey, who needs hockey when there’s a PJ spring tour.
With the Habs you don’t need talent, just passion that the leafs clearly lack! 😉
Yeah passion, a similar concept as energy. Obviously you also need talent. Not to mention a good goalie.
I tried to tell u guys about Sammy
Of course we have a goalie I wouldn't mind seeing go elsewhere..u want Kuemper? Lol
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Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
2008: Camden 2, Hartford
2010: Hartford
2013: Wrigley, Worcester x2, Hartford
2015: NYC
2016: Philly 2, MSG x2, Boston 2, (TOTD Philly 2, MSG)
2018: Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Boston x2
2022: San Diego, Sacramento, Las Vegas
Lol
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Ummm... As I think you said in your second paragraph, Can't Deny Me was supposed to be on something released in 2018. Obviously, that never happened.
...and honestly, it turned out ok. A 2019 tour for a new album would have had to been paused until late 2021 at the earliest.
It probably would have been more popular if they included more rarities and B-sides and fewer covers. I think most of the heat from the fans was from the number of covers.
Those ticket odds in 2016 were a bit high, right? I think they'd rather play large "destination" cities and see odds closer to 5% on the high end.
...as sucky as it is.
2003 - Champaign, IL
2006 - Chicago, IL 1 & 2
2007 - Chicago, IL Lollapalooza
2009 - Chicago, IL 1 & 2
2010 - St. Louis, MO
2011 - East Troy, WI 1 & 2 (PJ20 Destination Weekend)
2012 - Atlanta, GA, Missoula, MT
2013 - Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), Dallas, TX, Oklahoma City, OK
2014 - St. Louis, MO, Tulsa, OK, Moline, IL (No Code, IL), Saint Paul, MN, Milwaukee, WI (Yield, WI)
2016 - Greenville, SC (Vs, SC), Raleigh, NC, Columbia, SC, Boston, MA (Fenway Park 1), Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field 1 & 2)
2022 - Nashville, TN, St. Louis, MO, Oklahoma City, OK, Phoenix, AZ, Las Vegas, NV
2023 - St. Paul, MN 2, Fort Worth, TX 2, Austin, TX 1, and Austin, TX 2
2014 - Soundgarden Tinley Park, IL (with Nine Inch Nails)
2017 - Soundgarden Dallas (cancelled) RIP Chris Cornell
2023 - Jerry Cantrell Milwaukee, WI
Rookie move.
Pee during the break after the opening band. Use that time to put your Depends on.
Are you sure about that? TV schedules come into play a lot. PJ had to move their previously-announced 2016 date in Toronto because of a playoff game needing that date.
Also - THIS is the Leafs' year
Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
Hamilton - '20, '22
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Of course we have a goalie I wouldn't mind seeing go elsewhere..u want Kuemper? Lol