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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    40 babies and possibly more murdered by hamas. Some of those 40 babies who were murdered were also beheaded. Tell me again how these people want peace and to be “free”.
    again, don't conflate hamas with the average Palestinian. 
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,220
    edited October 2023
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    40 babies and possibly more murdered by hamas. Some of those 40 babies who were murdered were also beheaded. Tell me again how these people want peace and to be “free”.
    again, don't conflate hamas with the average Palestinian. 
    I agree but are all those Palestinians that are marching  all over the globe aware of this? And how come most of them , including some members of congress refuse to denounce Hamas? Unless I’m missing something. Which could be the case. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    40 babies and possibly more murdered by hamas. Some of those 40 babies who were murdered were also beheaded. Tell me again how these people want peace and to be “free”.
    again, don't conflate hamas with the average Palestinian. 
    I agree but are all those Palestinians that are marching  all over the globe aware of this? And how come most of them , including some members of congress refuse to denounce Hamas? Unless I’m missing something. Which could be the case. 
    I have been quite surprised how many people in the US and in Canada and elsewhere have been cheering this shit on. No matter your cause, cheering the murder of innocents is never ok. I'm still assuming this is a very small minority in the grand scheme. 
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  • mickeyrat
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  • brianlux
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    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    40 babies and possibly more murdered by hamas. Some of those 40 babies who were murdered were also beheaded. Tell me again how these people want peace and to be “free”.

    I haven't seen this verified by any legit news source.  Not saying it didn't happen, but I would hold off declaring it to be so until certain.
    No, I don't think the Hamas want peace, and... 
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    40 babies and possibly more murdered by hamas. Some of those 40 babies who were murdered were also beheaded. Tell me again how these people want peace and to be “free”.
    again, don't conflate hamas with the average Palestinian. 
    ...this.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    40 babies and possibly more murdered by hamas. Some of those 40 babies who were murdered were also beheaded. Tell me again how these people want peace and to be “free”.
    again, don't conflate hamas with the average Palestinian. 
    I agree but are all those Palestinians that are marching  all over the globe aware of this? And how come most of them , including some members of congress refuse to denounce Hamas? Unless I’m missing something. Which could be the case. 
    I have been quite surprised how many people in the US and in Canada and elsewhere have been cheering this shit on. No matter your cause, cheering the murder of innocents is never ok. I'm still assuming this is a very small minority in the grand scheme. 

    The loudmouths get the most attention.  I think the vast majority of people abhor what the Hamas did (again, of course, knowing not all Palestinians are Hamas- I know you know this, but some people don't seem to).
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  • josevolution
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    There’s so much Hate between these two states that peace is a bridge too far to reach at this point! Hate breeds Hate 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,065
    times like this i miss the voices of byrnzie, fuck, and badbrains.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,065
    also el kabong, abookamongstthemany, yosi, rafie, and all the others that posted here years ago. all much more experts on the conflict than any of us that are still here. 
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  • mickeyrat
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  • josevolution
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    I’m literally sick about these atrocities that happened over the weekend! There’s no winning by anyone just the thought of kids getting murdered it’s got me sick! I need to get away from it all no tv no phone no people just me and nature! I just want to give it all up 
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  • cincybearcat
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    also el kabong, abookamongstthemany, yosi, rafie, and all the others that posted here years ago. all much more experts on the conflict than any of us that are still here. 
    I don't miss some of them at all.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:


    I agree with that statement. 
    I would also agree if it said, "It is absolutely and logical to be opposed and deeply troubled by the attacks of the Hamas while simultaneously calling for the protection of innocent Palestinian civilians living in occupied territories as well as Muslims around the world. We can and must always use our voices to denounce terrorism and senseless murder of civilians."

    Of course, if there were not religious fanatics and powerful forces all around creating these hostilities, not of this would happen on either side.


    That is a statement I can support as well. When I say “go figure” in response earlier , the majority of the US and EU not only view words as “occupation” and “expulsion” as extremist language used by leftists who do not understand why strict security measures are needed. I had hoped that would be obvious Saturday, but I was incorrect.

    Bri, it’s not fanaticism, fwiw I am not that religious. My heart goes out to the civilians wanting to live peacefully on both sides. But I have been very familiar with the lies and propaganda emerging from Palestine and amnesty intl in recent years 


    Until Palestinian leaders recognize Israel’s right to exist in peace as neighbors , peace seems impossible, as does relinquishing lands in West Bank unfortunately. I hope those that comment here who use extreme wording like “occupation” fully understand that the refusal to acknowledge Israel’s “right to exist” has an unavoidable impact on any solutions that may seem simple to them, but are offensive to many Israeli supporters. I say that always hoping Netanyahu loses and a more peaceful ( left leaning ) solution based leader can defeat him. I hope that is still an option after recent events


    the solution will either be peace thru terror, or peace thru negotiation. There are no other realistic alternatives. 
    from what I've read, it's an "open air prison". it's not "strict security measures". 

    Palestinian leaders DID recognize Israel's right to exist, and then Israel kept up the occupation, stealing more territory and terrorizing the Palestinians. I haven't once seen you admit that Israel has gone against international laws several times. You don't think this has something to do with the uprising and gaining support of these terrorists?


    Provide specifics and evidence. We are referring to Hamas. As I’ve said repeatedly, Israel had multiple peace treaties with the PA and PLO to share the West Bank, which was before Hamas assumed control and violated the agreements. I think you are conflating Gaza with West Bank. The open air prison is Gaza which is not occupied. Israel monitors the borders to prevent importing of weapons. 

    How is it possible to occupy land that is run by a terrorist organization? You must know Hamas stated goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? How do you reduce security under those conditions?
  • mickeyrat
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  • Lerxst1992
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    brianlux said:
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    40 babies and possibly more murdered by hamas. Some of those 40 babies who were murdered were also beheaded. Tell me again how these people want peace and to be “free”.

    I haven't seen this verified by any legit news source.  Not saying it didn't happen, but I would hold off declaring it to be so until certain.
    No, I don't think the Hamas want peace, and... 
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    40 babies and possibly more murdered by hamas. Some of those 40 babies who were murdered were also beheaded. Tell me again how these people want peace and to be “free”.
    again, don't conflate hamas with the average Palestinian. 
    ...this.



    Maybe the 40 babies story is false, but the invasion and the story below are bad enough.

    as far as conflating Hamas with the average Palestinian, how is that possible? The threat is Hamas, a militant violent authoritarian group that kills civilians for sport. If hamas lived next to any AMT commenters town, every single one would want their govt to employ  strong security measures. It’d be nice to make peace with the average Palestinian, but how could that work? To used the comparison to Ukraine, the US should stop supporting the Ukrainians because the average Russian is nice and they play good hockey.


    ‘Murdered in cold blood’: stories emerge of Israelis killed at Gaza border

    Friends and relatives say Hamas killed a grandmother, parents protecting their children, and an entire family during raids


  • Lerxst1992
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    edited October 2023
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    times like this i miss the voices of byrnzie, fuck, and badbrains.

    Found some old comments from bynzie, went at length about the horrors suffered by the Australian indigenous population. But then found another about the evils of Israel. I guess it’s selective sympathy, aboriginal peoples in one part of the world get support, but in the mid east the indigenous have zero rights. Sounds borderline racist. Good thing that commenter was banned.


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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,385
    Indigenous suggests first in a place, no?

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:


    I agree with that statement. 
    I would also agree if it said, "It is absolutely and logical to be opposed and deeply troubled by the attacks of the Hamas while simultaneously calling for the protection of innocent Palestinian civilians living in occupied territories as well as Muslims around the world. We can and must always use our voices to denounce terrorism and senseless murder of civilians."

    Of course, if there were not religious fanatics and powerful forces all around creating these hostilities, not of this would happen on either side.


    That is a statement I can support as well. When I say “go figure” in response earlier , the majority of the US and EU not only view words as “occupation” and “expulsion” as extremist language used by leftists who do not understand why strict security measures are needed. I had hoped that would be obvious Saturday, but I was incorrect.

    Bri, it’s not fanaticism, fwiw I am not that religious. My heart goes out to the civilians wanting to live peacefully on both sides. But I have been very familiar with the lies and propaganda emerging from Palestine and amnesty intl in recent years 


    Until Palestinian leaders recognize Israel’s right to exist in peace as neighbors , peace seems impossible, as does relinquishing lands in West Bank unfortunately. I hope those that comment here who use extreme wording like “occupation” fully understand that the refusal to acknowledge Israel’s “right to exist” has an unavoidable impact on any solutions that may seem simple to them, but are offensive to many Israeli supporters. I say that always hoping Netanyahu loses and a more peaceful ( left leaning ) solution based leader can defeat him. I hope that is still an option after recent events


    the solution will either be peace thru terror, or peace thru negotiation. There are no other realistic alternatives. 
    from what I've read, it's an "open air prison". it's not "strict security measures". 

    Palestinian leaders DID recognize Israel's right to exist, and then Israel kept up the occupation, stealing more territory and terrorizing the Palestinians. I haven't once seen you admit that Israel has gone against international laws several times. You don't think this has something to do with the uprising and gaining support of these terrorists?


    Provide specifics and evidence. We are referring to Hamas. As I’ve said repeatedly, Israel had multiple peace treaties with the PA and PLO to share the West Bank, which was before Hamas assumed control and violated the agreements. I think you are conflating Gaza with West Bank. The open air prison is Gaza which is not occupied. Israel monitors the borders to prevent importing of weapons. 

    How is it possible to occupy land that is run by a terrorist organization? You must know Hamas stated goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? How do you reduce security under those conditions?
    “Monitors the border?” That’s all they do? You might want to read up on the Israeli version of “monitor.”

    Is the West Bank run by a terrorist organization? Further, how does Israel “occupy” the West Bank? 

    Hamas and the average Palestinian within Gaza are not one and the same.

    Talk about conflation and the oversimplification of a complex region and conflict. Good lord.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:


    I agree with that statement. 
    I would also agree if it said, "It is absolutely and logical to be opposed and deeply troubled by the attacks of the Hamas while simultaneously calling for the protection of innocent Palestinian civilians living in occupied territories as well as Muslims around the world. We can and must always use our voices to denounce terrorism and senseless murder of civilians."

    Of course, if there were not religious fanatics and powerful forces all around creating these hostilities, not of this would happen on either side.


    That is a statement I can support as well. When I say “go figure” in response earlier , the majority of the US and EU not only view words as “occupation” and “expulsion” as extremist language used by leftists who do not understand why strict security measures are needed. I had hoped that would be obvious Saturday, but I was incorrect.

    Bri, it’s not fanaticism, fwiw I am not that religious. My heart goes out to the civilians wanting to live peacefully on both sides. But I have been very familiar with the lies and propaganda emerging from Palestine and amnesty intl in recent years 


    Until Palestinian leaders recognize Israel’s right to exist in peace as neighbors , peace seems impossible, as does relinquishing lands in West Bank unfortunately. I hope those that comment here who use extreme wording like “occupation” fully understand that the refusal to acknowledge Israel’s “right to exist” has an unavoidable impact on any solutions that may seem simple to them, but are offensive to many Israeli supporters. I say that always hoping Netanyahu loses and a more peaceful ( left leaning ) solution based leader can defeat him. I hope that is still an option after recent events


    the solution will either be peace thru terror, or peace thru negotiation. There are no other realistic alternatives. 
    from what I've read, it's an "open air prison". it's not "strict security measures". 

    Palestinian leaders DID recognize Israel's right to exist, and then Israel kept up the occupation, stealing more territory and terrorizing the Palestinians. I haven't once seen you admit that Israel has gone against international laws several times. You don't think this has something to do with the uprising and gaining support of these terrorists?


    Provide specifics and evidence. We are referring to Hamas. As I’ve said repeatedly, Israel had multiple peace treaties with the PA and PLO to share the West Bank, which was before Hamas assumed control and violated the agreements. I think you are conflating Gaza with West Bank. The open air prison is Gaza which is not occupied. Israel monitors the borders to prevent importing of weapons. 

    How is it possible to occupy land that is run by a terrorist organization? You must know Hamas stated goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? How do you reduce security under those conditions?
    “Monitors the border?” That’s all they do? You might want to read up on the Israeli version of “monitor.”

    Is the West Bank run by a terrorist organization? Further, how does Israel “occupy” the West Bank? 

    Hamas and the average Palestinian within Gaza are not one and the same.

    Talk about conflation and the oversimplification of a complex region and conflict. Good lord.


    Good grief. Their military withdrew from Gaza 15 years ago.They monitor the Gaza border with Egypt to prevent importation of weapons, which obviously did not work.

     Let’s blame Israel for having to deal with violent authoritarian leaders and not being able to make peace with the average Palestinian. The double standard applied to Israel in that comment is unreal. Maybe Biden should make peace with nice guys  Ovechkin and Malkin and stop his siege of Ukraine.
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