Meanwhile back in Israel

dudeman

nicknyr15 said:

https://nypost.com/2023/10/09/onlyfans-mia-khalifa-urges-hamas-to-film-attacks-horizontal/

I can't help but wonder how the leadership of Hamas feels about the opinions of this person. I'm pretty sure she would be executed for bringing shame on her family and religion due to her former career. 

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/1711082042899751288?t=3_-fCNbf_A5QIPaVfZG5jg&s=19

Please stop spreading lies that Israel occupies the West Bank as they have had claims to much of that land thousands of years before Muslim religion was founded. It is the Arabs who have refused to negotiate peace.

I feel like this would be like Russia complaining that Ukraine doesn’t want to negotiate. 

Is there evidence the land of Ukraine was part of Russia in the Bible, and archeological evidence to back that up?

did Russia have a signed peace treaty with Ukraine that Ukraine violated?


if people are not familiar with the history of Israel, history of violated peace treaties, history of Arab aggression, whether it be biblical, historical or the peace deals from the 90s Palestine violated and ignored, perhaps education or research should come before posting inaccurate comments.

I am actually pretty familiar, but I also know how futile it is discussing this with someone who obviously isn't able to speak objectively about it. I have no skin in the game. it seems you do. and just because we disagree doesn't make you right. I've seen enough Israeli aggression in my time and violation of international law to know it isn't as black and white as you think it is. just a quick google search and they've violated 28 UN resolutions. 

they've been stealing Palestinian land illegally for decades. 

I hate all these blanket statements by celebrities/influencers "I stand with Israel". how about "I stand with peace"? no one seems to give a fuck when the IDF is assassinating Palestinians. 

again, the bible is not evidence of anything. it's a fairy tale. if Lord of the Rings had been written 2000 years ago we'd all be wearing busts of Frodo Baggins around our necks. 

as brian said, there has to be a statute to limitations at some point. I mean, if you need to go back thousands of years to show "the rightful owners" of land, literally no one currently should be living on the land they are on. It's absurd. 

HughFreakingDillon

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1711143225493234113?s=46

I agree with this. 

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

I can't say I'm 100% up on the history of the conflict but I know that Israel basically took a bunch of land from Palestine upon the failure of the attack in 1948. Repelling the attack was absolutely justified but taking the land that they had has created this mess.

Just give it the fuck back and give them access to the Gaza Strip.

Making low information and inaccurate comments is not helpful. That first sentence seems to be science fiction at best. Maybe take time to learn the complexities of this difficult situation before blabbing off on a message board.

just give back fucking Indiana to the Indians is the equivalent of your biased comment.

HughFreakingDillon

I think it’s pretty clear who the biased one is…

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't say I'm 100% up on the history of the conflict but I know that Israel basically took a bunch of land from Palestine upon the failure of the attack in 1948. Repelling the attack was absolutely justified but taking the land that they had has created this mess.

Just give it the fuck back and give them access to the Gaza Strip.

Making low information and inaccurate comments is not helpful. That first sentence seems to be science fiction at best. Maybe take time to learn the complexities of this difficult situation before blabbing off on a message board.

just give back fucking Indiana to the Indians is the equivalent of your biased comment.

But it's not fiction. Palestinians were expelled from their land in 1948.

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/1711082042899751288?t=3_-fCNbf_A5QIPaVfZG5jg&s=19

Please stop spreading lies that Israel occupies the West Bank as they have had claims to much of that land thousands of years before Muslim religion was founded. It is the Arabs who have refused to negotiate peace.

I feel like this would be like Russia complaining that Ukraine doesn’t want to negotiate. 

Is there evidence the land of Ukraine was part of Russia in the Bible, and archeological evidence to back that up?

did Russia have a signed peace treaty with Ukraine that Ukraine violated?


if people are not familiar with the history of Israel, history of violated peace treaties, history of Arab aggression, whether it be biblical, historical or the peace deals from the 90s Palestine violated and ignored, perhaps education or research should come before posting inaccurate comments.

I am actually pretty familiar, but I also know how futile it is discussing this with someone who obviously isn't able to speak objectively about it. I have no skin in the game. it seems you do. and just because we disagree doesn't make you right. I've seen enough Israeli aggression in my time and violation of international law to know it isn't as black and white as you think it is. just a quick google search and they've violated 28 UN resolutions. 

they've been stealing Palestinian land illegally for decades. 

I hate all these blanket statements by celebrities/influencers "I stand with Israel". how about "I stand with peace"? no one seems to give a fuck when the IDF is assassinating Palestinians. 

again, the bible is not evidence of anything. it's a fairy tale. if Lord of the Rings had been written 2000 years ago we'd all be wearing busts of Frodo Baggins around our necks. 

as brian said, there has to be a statute to limitations at some point. I mean, if you need to go back thousands of years to show "the rightful owners" of land, literally no one currently should be living on the land they are on. It's absurd. 

Jesus is a fairy tale?

It’s unfair to comment on UN security council action and not distinguish from the UN general assembly, and why the GA can act in a biased manner and the security council usually does not. If you have something specific that says the west bank is 100% Palestine, please share. Many of the resolutions you are referring to are basically a popularity contest and since there are an overwhelming number of Muslim countries in the GA. That’s why the US needs to veto many UNSC resolutions. I’d love for Netanyahu to leave and have no more settlement expansion, but anyone thinking Israel can leave the West Bank and still have secure borders is living in a fairly tale.

Tell me instead about the peace deal Palestine signed to share the land 


 There are two  treaties approved by the UN in the 1990s that you are ignoring. They signed a deal to share the land, and immediately the PLO was replaced by Hamas, a violent, militant terrorist group. Only Hamas wants the deal to be 100% their way. Israel and the PA and the PLO were willing to share and negotiate 

Israel fully withdrew from Gaza fifteen years ago and look where that got them. That’s why there are checkpoints in the West Bank to answer your earlier comment.

static111

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/1711082042899751288?t=3_-fCNbf_A5QIPaVfZG5jg&s=19

Please stop spreading lies that Israel occupies the West Bank as they have had claims to much of that land thousands of years before Muslim religion was founded. It is the Arabs who have refused to negotiate peace.

I feel like this would be like Russia complaining that Ukraine doesn’t want to negotiate. 

Is there evidence the land of Ukraine was part of Russia in the Bible, and archeological evidence to back that up?

did Russia have a signed peace treaty with Ukraine that Ukraine violated?


if people are not familiar with the history of Israel, history of violated peace treaties, history of Arab aggression, whether it be biblical, historical or the peace deals from the 90s Palestine violated and ignored, perhaps education or research should come before posting inaccurate comments.

I am actually pretty familiar, but I also know how futile it is discussing this with someone who obviously isn't able to speak objectively about it. I have no skin in the game. it seems you do. and just because we disagree doesn't make you right. I've seen enough Israeli aggression in my time and violation of international law to know it isn't as black and white as you think it is. just a quick google search and they've violated 28 UN resolutions. 

they've been stealing Palestinian land illegally for decades. 

I hate all these blanket statements by celebrities/influencers "I stand with Israel". how about "I stand with peace"? no one seems to give a fuck when the IDF is assassinating Palestinians. 

again, the bible is not evidence of anything. it's a fairy tale. if Lord of the Rings had been written 2000 years ago we'd all be wearing busts of Frodo Baggins around our necks. 

as brian said, there has to be a statute to limitations at some point. I mean, if you need to go back thousands of years to show "the rightful owners" of land, literally no one currently should be living on the land they are on. It's absurd. 

Jesus is a fairy tale?

It’s unfair to comment on UN security council action and not distinguish from the UN general assembly, and why the GA can act in a biased manner and the security council usually does not. If you have something specific that says the west bank is 100% Palestine, please share. Many of the resolutions you are referring to are basically a popularity contest and since there are an overwhelming number of Muslim countries in the GA. That’s why the US needs to veto many UNSC resolutions. I’d love for Netanyahu to leave and have no more settlement expansion, but anyone thinking Israel can leave the West Bank and still have secure borders is living in a fairly tale.

Tell me instead about the peace deal Palestine signed to share the land 


 There are two  treaties approved by the UN in the 1990s that you are ignoring. They signed a deal to share the land, and immediately the PLO was replaced by Hamas, a violent, militant terrorist group. Only Hamas wants the deal to be 100% their way. Israel and the PA and the PLO were willing to share and negotiate 

Israel fully withdrew from Gaza fifteen years ago and look where that got them. That’s why there are checkpoints in the West Bank to answer your earlier comment.

Legend, Myth?

Spunkie

^ Creation story?

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1711423328651547000?t=1EPpNnG6y-tEbQjXqbLOPA&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1711328353288892702?t=Y5WAMEQhmqOBHlqFR0MKQg&s=19

brianlux

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/1711082042899751288?t=3_-fCNbf_A5QIPaVfZG5jg&s=19

Please stop spreading lies that Israel occupies the West Bank as they have had claims to much of that land thousands of years before Muslim religion was founded. It is the Arabs who have refused to negotiate peace.

I feel like this would be like Russia complaining that Ukraine doesn’t want to negotiate. 

Is there evidence the land of Ukraine was part of Russia in the Bible, and archeological evidence to back that up?

did Russia have a signed peace treaty with Ukraine that Ukraine violated?


if people are not familiar with the history of Israel, history of violated peace treaties, history of Arab aggression, whether it be biblical, historical or the peace deals from the 90s Palestine violated and ignored, perhaps education or research should come before posting inaccurate comments.

I am actually pretty familiar, but I also know how futile it is discussing this with someone who obviously isn't able to speak objectively about it. I have no skin in the game. it seems you do. and just because we disagree doesn't make you right. I've seen enough Israeli aggression in my time and violation of international law to know it isn't as black and white as you think it is. just a quick google search and they've violated 28 UN resolutions. 

they've been stealing Palestinian land illegally for decades. 

I hate all these blanket statements by celebrities/influencers "I stand with Israel". how about "I stand with peace"? no one seems to give a fuck when the IDF is assassinating Palestinians. 

again, the bible is not evidence of anything. it's a fairy tale. if Lord of the Rings had been written 2000 years ago we'd all be wearing busts of Frodo Baggins around our necks. 

as brian said, there has to be a statute to limitations at some point. I mean, if you need to go back thousands of years to show "the rightful owners" of land, literally no one currently should be living on the land they are on. It's absurd. 

Jesus is a fairy tale?

It’s unfair to comment on UN security council action and not distinguish from the UN general assembly, and why the GA can act in a biased manner and the security council usually does not. If you have something specific that says the west bank is 100% Palestine, please share. Many of the resolutions you are referring to are basically a popularity contest and since there are an overwhelming number of Muslim countries in the GA. That’s why the US needs to veto many UNSC resolutions. I’d love for Netanyahu to leave and have no more settlement expansion, but anyone thinking Israel can leave the West Bank and still have secure borders is living in a fairly tale.

Tell me instead about the peace deal Palestine signed to share the land 


 There are two  treaties approved by the UN in the 1990s that you are ignoring. They signed a deal to share the land, and immediately the PLO was replaced by Hamas, a violent, militant terrorist group. Only Hamas wants the deal to be 100% their way. Israel and the PA and the PLO were willing to share and negotiate 

Israel fully withdrew from Gaza fifteen years ago and look where that got them. That’s why there are checkpoints in the West Bank to answer your earlier comment.

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/1711082042899751288?t=3_-fCNbf_A5QIPaVfZG5jg&s=19

Please stop spreading lies that Israel occupies the West Bank as they have had claims to much of that land thousands of years before Muslim religion was founded. It is the Arabs who have refused to negotiate peace.

I feel like this would be like Russia complaining that Ukraine doesn’t want to negotiate. 

Is there evidence the land of Ukraine was part of Russia in the Bible, and archeological evidence to back that up?

did Russia have a signed peace treaty with Ukraine that Ukraine violated?


if people are not familiar with the history of Israel, history of violated peace treaties, history of Arab aggression, whether it be biblical, historical or the peace deals from the 90s Palestine violated and ignored, perhaps education or research should come before posting inaccurate comments.

I am actually pretty familiar, but I also know how futile it is discussing this with someone who obviously isn't able to speak objectively about it. I have no skin in the game. it seems you do. and just because we disagree doesn't make you right. I've seen enough Israeli aggression in my time and violation of international law to know it isn't as black and white as you think it is. just a quick google search and they've violated 28 UN resolutions. 

they've been stealing Palestinian land illegally for decades. 

I hate all these blanket statements by celebrities/influencers "I stand with Israel". how about "I stand with peace"? no one seems to give a fuck when the IDF is assassinating Palestinians. 

again, the bible is not evidence of anything. it's a fairy tale. if Lord of the Rings had been written 2000 years ago we'd all be wearing busts of Frodo Baggins around our necks. 

as brian said, there has to be a statute to limitations at some point. I mean, if you need to go back thousands of years to show "the rightful owners" of land, literally no one currently should be living on the land they are on. It's absurd. 

Jesus is a fairy tale?

It’s unfair to comment on UN security council action and not distinguish from the UN general assembly, and why the GA can act in a biased manner and the security council usually does not. If you have something specific that says the west bank is 100% Palestine, please share. Many of the resolutions you are referring to are basically a popularity contest and since there are an overwhelming number of Muslim countries in the GA. That’s why the US needs to veto many UNSC resolutions. I’d love for Netanyahu to leave and have no more settlement expansion, but anyone thinking Israel can leave the West Bank and still have secure borders is living in a fairly tale.

Tell me instead about the peace deal Palestine signed to share the land 


 There are two  treaties approved by the UN in the 1990s that you are ignoring. They signed a deal to share the land, and immediately the PLO was replaced by Hamas, a violent, militant terrorist group. Only Hamas wants the deal to be 100% their way. Israel and the PA and the PLO were willing to share and negotiate 

Israel fully withdrew from Gaza fifteen years ago and look where that got them. That’s why there are checkpoints in the West Bank to answer your earlier comment.

Legend, Myth?

tish said:

^ Creation story?

No no  no, Jesus was the first hippie.

HughFreakingDillon

This guy breaks it down perfectly in a very short thread: 

https://x.com/timjacobwise/status/1711433796011082227?s=46

Spunkie

.

brianlux

tish said:

^ Bboy 🤣 

Hughbaby, I refuse to enter the (single letter) zone... so I'll brush up elsewhere!

Lex, thx for some learning 👉

This topic makes me miss Hedo, but I'm sure she wouldn't miss this human crap! Basically, more killing in God's name with a God that's nowhere to be found conveniently?

You hit the nail on the head, Tish, regarding more killing in the name of God.  God and resources, the top two catalysts of war.

I hesitated to use anything even remotely humorous in this thread but this situation creates a tension so brittle it just feels like it's going to snap at times.

The one thing I've gotten out of all this has been the motivation to again try to learn more about this part of the world. What I've found in the past and find more than ever today is that the whole Israeli/Palestinian conflict is so convoluted, so rife with confusion, so double barreled in terms of "bad guys/good guys" going both ways, and so overwhelming in the terrible impact it all has on ordinary people in those lands just trying to get by and have a life.  It's a huge messy tangle of trouble.  The Middle East in general is one of those places where trouble has brewed more intensely that a lot of other places and right now the Israeli/Palestine region is one gigantic nuclear plant going into meltdown.  

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1711539482955235836?t=nM12pUy1XoklGIoD__DgJg&s=19

pjl44

Just poppin' in to say that while I don't expect to hear most rock n' roll bands chime in on world affairs, when a rock n' roll band does position themselves as activists it becomes notable when they're loud vs when they're quiet

pjl44

U2, for example, loud:

https://twitter.com/U2/status/1711362609021382694?t=3Fm8aUp3qKAOMXWZOZZ1rA&s=19

brianlux

pjl44 said:

U2, for example, loud:

https://twitter.com/U2/status/1711362609021382694?t=3Fm8aUp3qKAOMXWZOZZ1rA&s=19

The cool thing about Bono is that he would sing for all the children on both sides.

Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

tish said:

^ Bboy 🤣 

Hughbaby, I refuse to enter the (single letter) zone... so I'll brush up elsewhere!

Lex, thx for some learning 👉

This topic makes me miss Hedo, but I'm sure she wouldn't miss this human crap! Basically, more killing in God's name with a God that's nowhere to be found conveniently?

You hit the nail on the head, Tish, regarding more killing in the name of God.  God and resources, the top two catalysts of war.

I hesitated to use anything even remotely humorous in this thread but this situation creates a tension so brittle it just feels like it's going to snap at times.

The one thing I've gotten out of all this has been the motivation to again try to learn more about this part of the world. What I've found in the past and find more than ever today is that the whole Israeli/Palestinian conflict is so convoluted, so rife with confusion, so double barreled in terms of "bad guys/good guys" going both ways, and so overwhelming in the terrible impact it all has on ordinary people in those lands just trying to get by and have a life.  It's a huge messy tangle of trouble.  The Middle East in general is one of those places where trouble has brewed more intensely that a lot of other places and right now the Israeli/Palestine region is one gigantic nuclear plant going into meltdown.  

It’s not that complicated. Hugh earlier commented something to the effect

”well the UN already ruled Israel is illegally in West Bank, so they need to get out”

there are two key UN resolutions that address specifically UN wanting Israel to leave -

“In November 1988, the PLO finally met U.S. demand that it renounce terrorism and accept U.N. Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, which called for Arab-Israeli peace and mutual recognition accompanied by Israeli withdrawal from “territories” it had occupied in 1967.”

Then in the 90s, there were TWO treaties the world community oversaw whereby the PLO,PA and Israel agreed to share West Bank, and designated three zones, one for each and one shared, the Israel zones were specific to lands that were historically part of Israel, or key nomadic land near the Jordanian border that is critical to prevent an invasion. The PLO (remember them) was almost immediately replaced after these treaties by Hamas and the deal was disregarded, as were those two key UN resolutions

it should be clear to anyone examining this situation why Israel can not fully leave the West Bank. Before their military took over the land in 1967, Jordan and Egypt invaded Israel multiple times from that land, just as Hamas did the other day from Gaza . Those invasions stopped in 1967, and were replaced with terrorism, aka the targeting of civilians, women and children for death. Israel has since reached peace with those two nations, as well as many other Muslim states. They were about to reach a peace deal with the saudis, which is the reason imo Hamas acted with this bloodshed