The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Here is yet more evidence (though the empirical evidence out there is enough to make the point very clear) of how serious a situation we are in.  This also clearly illustrates that our law makers are not doing enough- none of them.  The right is not only doing nothing, they are mostly making things worse, but don't fool yourself- the left is culpable as well.  There is no more time for compromise.

Well worth time 12 minute to view this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msDmIMPpPs

For Kalmus to say “that’s (Bidens actions) the cause of all of this damage” is unfair and misleading. Drilling on federal land accounts for less than ten percent of US fossil fuel production.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The technology to replace fossil fuels are still a decade or more away (yes Elon, your cars run on fossil fuels). Gas and oil prices are surging, and that usually spells defeat for a US president.

So if Biden today cancels all drilling on US lands with the current energy industry  problems caused by Putin, and Biden were to lose as a result of gas prices climbing back towards $5 a gallon, trump wins, cancels all spending from the climate bill, how’s that going to help the climate?

The problem was not created only by Biden, of course.  It a lot more complicated than that.  It has been created by law makers and leaders all over the world, and by corporate heads, and by you and me and pretty much everybody in the 1st world.

As for the solution- I don't know anymore.  That work started in earnest some 40 years ago and little progress has been made because not enough people really cared beyond lip service.  People kept commuting long distances to work and buy big over-sized pickup trucks and jet skies and cheap plastic crap that had to be replaced frequently.  We kept voting for people on both sides of the isle who are weak on environment (including Biden). We kept overpopulating our species.  We pretended things like carbon offsets and electric cars and solar panels were going to save the world but these were all based on the economy of more, not less.

And do we even really care about doing anything about it?  Here we are, on a web site visited by a great group of people who, I believe, are generally more liberal and up on things than the average person.  Yet where is our focus?  We go on and on about politicians and immigration and economics and gun control and sexual preferences- all important topics we all care about- but how much focus does this place place on environment?  A small percentage. 

So no, I don't have any new answers.  My thoughts have always been the same- reduce consumption, be conscious of the difference between want and need, purchase durable goods instead of cheap crap, greatly decrease air and cruise ship travel, reduce driving, increase public transportation, live closer to work, walk, adjust the thermostat to use less energy, support increased education in third world countries, slow human reproduction, and vote for the candidate who is most likely to help with environmental issues (if you can find one).

We have crossed the threshold.  Global warming is here to stay.  The best we can do now is slow it down and figure out how to live with extreme weather.  Many will survive, but many will not.  That's the cold, hard reality.

Well said. What concerns me a lot is we see the planet is burning right in front of our eyes, S American winters now feature 100 degree heat, and people are more concerned about Bidens age, even here on our left leaning forum. We used to have many left leaning independents who weren’t thrilled with Biden, who barely comment here anymore.

FFS, a major poll yesterday had trump ahead of Biden by a point. What TF is in the heads of 45% of this country? If trump wins, he will cancel spending on Bidens climate bill, and ramp up as much  oil drilling as possible. But yeah, Bidens too old.

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Here is yet more evidence (though the empirical evidence out there is enough to make the point very clear) of how serious a situation we are in.  This also clearly illustrates that our law makers are not doing enough- none of them.  The right is not only doing nothing, they are mostly making things worse, but don't fool yourself- the left is culpable as well.  There is no more time for compromise.

Well worth time 12 minute to view this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msDmIMPpPs

For Kalmus to say “that’s (Bidens actions) the cause of all of this damage” is unfair and misleading. Drilling on federal land accounts for less than ten percent of US fossil fuel production.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The technology to replace fossil fuels are still a decade or more away (yes Elon, your cars run on fossil fuels). Gas and oil prices are surging, and that usually spells defeat for a US president.

So if Biden today cancels all drilling on US lands with the current energy industry  problems caused by Putin, and Biden were to lose as a result of gas prices climbing back towards $5 a gallon, trump wins, cancels all spending from the climate bill, how’s that going to help the climate?

The problem was not created only by Biden, of course.  It a lot more complicated than that.  It has been created by law makers and leaders all over the world, and by corporate heads, and by you and me and pretty much everybody in the 1st world.

As for the solution- I don't know anymore.  That work started in earnest some 40 years ago and little progress has been made because not enough people really cared beyond lip service.  People kept commuting long distances to work and buy big over-sized pickup trucks and jet skies and cheap plastic crap that had to be replaced frequently.  We kept voting for people on both sides of the isle who are weak on environment (including Biden). We kept overpopulating our species.  We pretended things like carbon offsets and electric cars and solar panels were going to save the world but these were all based on the economy of more, not less.

And do we even really care about doing anything about it?  Here we are, on a web site visited by a great group of people who, I believe, are generally more liberal and up on things than the average person.  Yet where is our focus?  We go on and on about politicians and immigration and economics and gun control and sexual preferences- all important topics we all care about- but how much focus does this place place on environment?  A small percentage. 

So no, I don't have any new answers.  My thoughts have always been the same- reduce consumption, be conscious of the difference between want and need, purchase durable goods instead of cheap crap, greatly decrease air and cruise ship travel, reduce driving, increase public transportation, live closer to work, walk, adjust the thermostat to use less energy, support increased education in third world countries, slow human reproduction, and vote for the candidate who is most likely to help with environmental issues (if you can find one).

We have crossed the threshold.  Global warming is here to stay.  The best we can do now is slow it down and figure out how to live with extreme weather.  Many will survive, but many will not.  That's the cold, hard reality.

Well said. What concerns me a lot is we see the planet is burning right in front of our eyes, S American winters now feature 100 degree heat, and people are more concerned about Bidens age, even here on our left leaning forum. We used to have many left leaning independents who weren’t thrilled with Biden, who barely comment here anymore.

FFS, a major poll yesterday had trump ahead of Biden by a point. What TF is in the heads of 45% of this country? If trump wins, he will cancel spending on Bidens climate bill, and ramp up as much  oil drilling as possible. But yeah, Bidens too old.

I look at it like this, sometimes you have to get to the bottom of the hole before you can climb out.

static111 said:

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Here is yet more evidence (though the empirical evidence out there is enough to make the point very clear) of how serious a situation we are in.  This also clearly illustrates that our law makers are not doing enough- none of them.  The right is not only doing nothing, they are mostly making things worse, but don't fool yourself- the left is culpable as well.  There is no more time for compromise.

Well worth time 12 minute to view this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msDmIMPpPs

For Kalmus to say “that’s (Bidens actions) the cause of all of this damage” is unfair and misleading. Drilling on federal land accounts for less than ten percent of US fossil fuel production.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The technology to replace fossil fuels are still a decade or more away (yes Elon, your cars run on fossil fuels). Gas and oil prices are surging, and that usually spells defeat for a US president.

So if Biden today cancels all drilling on US lands with the current energy industry  problems caused by Putin, and Biden were to lose as a result of gas prices climbing back towards $5 a gallon, trump wins, cancels all spending from the climate bill, how’s that going to help the climate?

The problem was not created only by Biden, of course.  It a lot more complicated than that.  It has been created by law makers and leaders all over the world, and by corporate heads, and by you and me and pretty much everybody in the 1st world.

As for the solution- I don't know anymore.  That work started in earnest some 40 years ago and little progress has been made because not enough people really cared beyond lip service.  People kept commuting long distances to work and buy big over-sized pickup trucks and jet skies and cheap plastic crap that had to be replaced frequently.  We kept voting for people on both sides of the isle who are weak on environment (including Biden). We kept overpopulating our species.  We pretended things like carbon offsets and electric cars and solar panels were going to save the world but these were all based on the economy of more, not less.

And do we even really care about doing anything about it?  Here we are, on a web site visited by a great group of people who, I believe, are generally more liberal and up on things than the average person.  Yet where is our focus?  We go on and on about politicians and immigration and economics and gun control and sexual preferences- all important topics we all care about- but how much focus does this place place on environment?  A small percentage. 

So no, I don't have any new answers.  My thoughts have always been the same- reduce consumption, be conscious of the difference between want and need, purchase durable goods instead of cheap crap, greatly decrease air and cruise ship travel, reduce driving, increase public transportation, live closer to work, walk, adjust the thermostat to use less energy, support increased education in third world countries, slow human reproduction, and vote for the candidate who is most likely to help with environmental issues (if you can find one).

We have crossed the threshold.  Global warming is here to stay.  The best we can do now is slow it down and figure out how to live with extreme weather.  Many will survive, but many will not.  That's the cold, hard reality.

Well said. What concerns me a lot is we see the planet is burning right in front of our eyes, S American winters now feature 100 degree heat, and people are more concerned about Bidens age, even here on our left leaning forum. We used to have many left leaning independents who weren’t thrilled with Biden, who barely comment here anymore.

FFS, a major poll yesterday had trump ahead of Biden by a point. What TF is in the heads of 45% of this country? If trump wins, he will cancel spending on Bidens climate bill, and ramp up as much  oil drilling as possible. But yeah, Bidens too old.

Unfathomable.

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Here is yet more evidence (though the empirical evidence out there is enough to make the point very clear) of how serious a situation we are in.  This also clearly illustrates that our law makers are not doing enough- none of them.  The right is not only doing nothing, they are mostly making things worse, but don't fool yourself- the left is culpable as well.  There is no more time for compromise.

Well worth time 12 minute to view this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msDmIMPpPs

For Kalmus to say “that’s (Bidens actions) the cause of all of this damage” is unfair and misleading. Drilling on federal land accounts for less than ten percent of US fossil fuel production.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The technology to replace fossil fuels are still a decade or more away (yes Elon, your cars run on fossil fuels). Gas and oil prices are surging, and that usually spells defeat for a US president.

So if Biden today cancels all drilling on US lands with the current energy industry  problems caused by Putin, and Biden were to lose as a result of gas prices climbing back towards $5 a gallon, trump wins, cancels all spending from the climate bill, how’s that going to help the climate?

The problem was not created only by Biden, of course.  It a lot more complicated than that.  It has been created by law makers and leaders all over the world, and by corporate heads, and by you and me and pretty much everybody in the 1st world.

As for the solution- I don't know anymore.  That work started in earnest some 40 years ago and little progress has been made because not enough people really cared beyond lip service.  People kept commuting long distances to work and buy big over-sized pickup trucks and jet skies and cheap plastic crap that had to be replaced frequently.  We kept voting for people on both sides of the isle who are weak on environment (including Biden). We kept overpopulating our species.  We pretended things like carbon offsets and electric cars and solar panels were going to save the world but these were all based on the economy of more, not less.

And do we even really care about doing anything about it?  Here we are, on a web site visited by a great group of people who, I believe, are generally more liberal and up on things than the average person.  Yet where is our focus?  We go on and on about politicians and immigration and economics and gun control and sexual preferences- all important topics we all care about- but how much focus does this place place on environment?  A small percentage. 

So no, I don't have any new answers.  My thoughts have always been the same- reduce consumption, be conscious of the difference between want and need, purchase durable goods instead of cheap crap, greatly decrease air and cruise ship travel, reduce driving, increase public transportation, live closer to work, walk, adjust the thermostat to use less energy, support increased education in third world countries, slow human reproduction, and vote for the candidate who is most likely to help with environmental issues (if you can find one).

We have crossed the threshold.  Global warming is here to stay.  The best we can do now is slow it down and figure out how to live with extreme weather.  Many will survive, but many will not.  That's the cold, hard reality.

Well said. What concerns me a lot is we see the planet is burning right in front of our eyes, S American winters now feature 100 degree heat, and people are more concerned about Bidens age, even here on our left leaning forum. We used to have many left leaning independents who weren’t thrilled with Biden, who barely comment here anymore.

FFS, a major poll yesterday had trump ahead of Biden by a point. What TF is in the heads of 45% of this country? If trump wins, he will cancel spending on Bidens climate bill, and ramp up as much  oil drilling as possible. But yeah, Bidens too old.

I look at it like this, sometimes you have to get to the bottom of the hole before you can climb out.

I've know a few people who hit rock bottom- the kind of rock bottom where they are either going to get it together or die.  One of them died.  And now it's seeing that happen times billions, en masse in a planetary sense.   

And then add to that all these people still supporting Trump.  It's like watching this happen:

Yes Brian I agree, my best friend died before he hit rock bottom and never got to climb out, but I really think it is going to take the whole country hitting rock bottom before we get to the point of legitimately fixing anything.  And if we don't make it out, well it was a long run.

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Here is yet more evidence (though the empirical evidence out there is enough to make the point very clear) of how serious a situation we are in.  This also clearly illustrates that our law makers are not doing enough- none of them.  The right is not only doing nothing, they are mostly making things worse, but don't fool yourself- the left is culpable as well.  There is no more time for compromise.

Well worth time 12 minute to view this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msDmIMPpPs

For Kalmus to say “that’s (Bidens actions) the cause of all of this damage” is unfair and misleading. Drilling on federal land accounts for less than ten percent of US fossil fuel production.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The technology to replace fossil fuels are still a decade or more away (yes Elon, your cars run on fossil fuels). Gas and oil prices are surging, and that usually spells defeat for a US president.

So if Biden today cancels all drilling on US lands with the current energy industry  problems caused by Putin, and Biden were to lose as a result of gas prices climbing back towards $5 a gallon, trump wins, cancels all spending from the climate bill, how’s that going to help the climate?

The problem was not created only by Biden, of course.  It a lot more complicated than that.  It has been created by law makers and leaders all over the world, and by corporate heads, and by you and me and pretty much everybody in the 1st world.

As for the solution- I don't know anymore.  That work started in earnest some 40 years ago and little progress has been made because not enough people really cared beyond lip service.  People kept commuting long distances to work and buy big over-sized pickup trucks and jet skies and cheap plastic crap that had to be replaced frequently.  We kept voting for people on both sides of the isle who are weak on environment (including Biden). We kept overpopulating our species.  We pretended things like carbon offsets and electric cars and solar panels were going to save the world but these were all based on the economy of more, not less.

And do we even really care about doing anything about it?  Here we are, on a web site visited by a great group of people who, I believe, are generally more liberal and up on things than the average person.  Yet where is our focus?  We go on and on about politicians and immigration and economics and gun control and sexual preferences- all important topics we all care about- but how much focus does this place place on environment?  A small percentage. 

So no, I don't have any new answers.  My thoughts have always been the same- reduce consumption, be conscious of the difference between want and need, purchase durable goods instead of cheap crap, greatly decrease air and cruise ship travel, reduce driving, increase public transportation, live closer to work, walk, adjust the thermostat to use less energy, support increased education in third world countries, slow human reproduction, and vote for the candidate who is most likely to help with environmental issues (if you can find one).

We have crossed the threshold.  Global warming is here to stay.  The best we can do now is slow it down and figure out how to live with extreme weather.  Many will survive, but many will not.  That's the cold, hard reality.

the problem is it's human nature to worry about what's right in front of you, not something that people think "may" happen to future generations (look how few people invest in retirement, and instead buy things they don't need). it's so, so shortsighted, and selfish. but humans are selfish. it sucks. but I don't think we get out of this.