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1. Danielle Baker - read what you share. She's filing an appeal after already having her case dismissed because of insufficient evidence. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/danielle_baker_complaint.pdf
2. Health mandates in Australia - who put Pfizer in charge of that? What kind of idiot would ask Pfizer if they mandated a vaccine and expect them to say 'yes', when the government are responsible for health mandates? https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/pfizer-dismiss-vaccine-mandates-says-no-australian-was-forced-5450311
3. Source is the Daily Mail - a known tabloid that insists I allow their obnoxious ads before reading. I don't even want to be infected with their words, let alone their ads. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12288649/Scientists-center-Covid-lab-leak-cover-feared-s-China.html
4. Opinion piece that alludes to 'breathtaking discoveries by the Telegram' that are conveniently located below the paywall divider. Even if this wasn't complete nonsense like it typically is, I couldn't read it if I wanted to. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/03/07/matt-hancock-should-arrested-wilful-misconduct-public-office/
5. Heart attack mortality rates since 2000 in the UK have significantly decreased. There has been an uptick due to the pandemic, but where you assume this to be because of the vaccines, this completely ignores a litany of other realities - including decreased reporting of issues by citizens during extreme strain on the healthcare system, as well the extreme strain itself (typically reducing quality of service). This is discussed in a few medical journals, but no tabloids (go figure). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/symptoms-heart-attack-rates-uk-b2393190.html
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benjs said:1. Danielle Baker - read what you share. She's filing an appeal after already having her case dismissed because of insufficient evidence. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/danielle_baker_complaint.pdf
2. Health mandates in Australia - who put Pfizer in charge of that? What kind of idiot would ask Pfizer if they mandated a vaccine and expect them to say 'yes', when the government are responsible for health mandates? https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/pfizer-dismiss-vaccine-mandates-says-no-australian-was-forced-5450311
3. Source is the Daily Mail - a known tabloid that insists I allow their obnoxious ads before reading. I don't even want to be infected with their words, let alone their ads. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12288649/Scientists-center-Covid-lab-leak-cover-feared-s-China.html
4. Opinion piece that alludes to 'breathtaking discoveries by the Telegram' that are conveniently located below the paywall divider. Even if this wasn't complete nonsense like it typically is, I couldn't read it if I wanted to. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/03/07/matt-hancock-should-arrested-wilful-misconduct-public-office/
5. Heart attack mortality rates since 2000 in the UK have significantly decreased. There has been an uptick due to the pandemic, but where you assume this to be because of the vaccines, this completely ignores a litany of other realities - including decreased reporting of issues by citizens during extreme strain on the healthcare system, as well the extreme strain itself (typically reducing quality of service). This is discussed in a few medical journals, but no tabloids (go figure). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/symptoms-heart-attack-rates-uk-b2393190.html
No responses to the nonsense doesn't somehow validate the nonsense - it's just that 'ignoring' is exactly what should be done with nonsense. Nonsense has been given far too loud of a voice, and isn't worthy of discussion.
It's worth noting we knew well before the vaccine rollout that COVID fucked w/ the heart and caused myocarditis & other problems... of course that's completely ignored by the anti-vaxx crackpots.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30929594/red-sox-p-eduardo-rodriguez-fully-recovered-covid-19-bout-myocarditis
But sure... the increase in heart problems is from the vaccine.0 -
benjs said:1. Danielle Baker - read what you share. She's filing an appeal after already having her case dismissed because of insufficient evidence. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/danielle_baker_complaint.pdf
2. Health mandates in Australia - who put Pfizer in charge of that? What kind of idiot would ask Pfizer if they mandated a vaccine and expect them to say 'yes', when the government are responsible for health mandates? https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/pfizer-dismiss-vaccine-mandates-says-no-australian-was-forced-5450311
3. Source is the Daily Mail - a known tabloid that insists I allow their obnoxious ads before reading. I don't even want to be infected with their words, let alone their ads. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12288649/Scientists-center-Covid-lab-leak-cover-feared-s-China.html
4. Opinion piece that alludes to 'breathtaking discoveries by the Telegram' that are conveniently located below the paywall divider. Even if this wasn't complete nonsense like it typically is, I couldn't read it if I wanted to. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/03/07/matt-hancock-should-arrested-wilful-misconduct-public-office/
5. Heart attack mortality rates since 2000 in the UK have significantly decreased. There has been an uptick due to the pandemic, but where you assume this to be because of the vaccines, this completely ignores a litany of other realities - including decreased reporting of issues by citizens during extreme strain on the healthcare system, as well the extreme strain itself (typically reducing quality of service). This is discussed in a few medical journals, but no tabloids (go figure). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/symptoms-heart-attack-rates-uk-b2393190.html
No responses to the nonsense doesn't somehow validate the nonsense - it's just that 'ignoring' is exactly what should be done with nonsense. Nonsense has been given far too loud of a voice, and isn't worthy of discussion."No responses to the nonsense doesn't somehow validate the nonsense - it's just that 'ignoring' is exactly what should be done with nonsense. Nonsense has been given far too loud of a voice, and isn't worthy of discussion. "Well said, my friend, and a good reminder!
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benjs said:1. Danielle Baker - read what you share. She's filing an appeal after already having her case dismissed because of insufficient evidence. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/danielle_baker_complaint.pdf
2. Health mandates in Australia - who put Pfizer in charge of that? What kind of idiot would ask Pfizer if they mandated a vaccine and expect them to say 'yes', when the government are responsible for health mandates? https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/pfizer-dismiss-vaccine-mandates-says-no-australian-was-forced-5450311
3. Source is the Daily Mail - a known tabloid that insists I allow their obnoxious ads before reading. I don't even want to be infected with their words, let alone their ads. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12288649/Scientists-center-Covid-lab-leak-cover-feared-s-China.html
4. Opinion piece that alludes to 'breathtaking discoveries by the Telegram' that are conveniently located below the paywall divider. Even if this wasn't complete nonsense like it typically is, I couldn't read it if I wanted to. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/03/07/matt-hancock-should-arrested-wilful-misconduct-public-office/
5. Heart attack mortality rates since 2000 in the UK have significantly decreased. There has been an uptick due to the pandemic, but where you assume this to be because of the vaccines, this completely ignores a litany of other realities - including decreased reporting of issues by citizens during extreme strain on the healthcare system, as well the extreme strain itself (typically reducing quality of service). This is discussed in a few medical journals, but no tabloids (go figure). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/symptoms-heart-attack-rates-uk-b2393190.html
No responses to the nonsense doesn't somehow validate the nonsense - it's just that 'ignoring' is exactly what should be done with nonsense. Nonsense has been given far too loud of a voice, and isn't worthy of discussion.Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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And please, make us a list, which sources are receivers from you??..lol..Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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New variant. I’m scheduling my 17 boosters now. I believe in vaccines if for no other reason than to spread it to the non vaccinated!https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-variant-ba286-who-monitoring/0
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cblock4life said:New variant. I’m scheduling my 17 boosters now. I believe in vaccines if for no other reason than to spread it to the non vaccinated!https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-variant-ba286-who-monitoring/0
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AW124797 said:cblock4life said:New variant. I’m scheduling my 17 boosters now. I believe in vaccines if for no other reason than to spread it to the non vaccinated!https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-variant-ba286-who-monitoring/09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:AW124797 said:cblock4life said:New variant. I’m scheduling my 17 boosters now. I believe in vaccines if for no other reason than to spread it to the non vaccinated!https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-variant-ba286-who-monitoring/
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AW124797 said:cblock4life said:New variant. I’m scheduling my 17 boosters now. I believe in vaccines if for no other reason than to spread it to the non vaccinated!https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-variant-ba286-who-monitoring/0
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cblock4life said:AW124797 said:cblock4life said:New variant. I’m scheduling my 17 boosters now. I believe in vaccines if for no other reason than to spread it to the non vaccinated!https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-variant-ba286-who-monitoring/
There's no booster for this highly mutated new variant and it doesn't stop the transmission, but enjoy it anyway. Have fun.Post edited by AW124797 on0 -
So. On FB I have a conservative friend that just heard "They are planning on shutting down the US again." Asked for sources? None. A few friends chimed in "yeah I am hearing about this too now"
Another piped up "I have alternative news outlets that aren't mainstream."
I chimed in that if it came from redit or Qanon to please stop spreading this bullshit.
So. Be sure to have your ear to the wind because the next big hubaloo is coming.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-2023-variant-eg5-strain-what-to-know/
Health authorities say they're closely tracking the spread of three new COVID-19 variants now spreading around the country.
Levels of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths for now remain far below previous peaks seen during past summer and winter waves of the virus, but have been climbing steadily for several weeks.
Public health officials have said that they're well-equipped for the latest seasonal uptick in the virus, with COVID-19 tests and forthcoming vaccines expected to work for the variants on the rise around the country.
But the appearance of a new "highly mutated" variant has raised questions among virus trackers about what the coming months could hold.
Here's the latest about what we know about the new COVID-19 variants now on the rise.
What are current new COVID variants?
There are two that are fairly prevalent and one — the highly mutated variant — that is not as widespread, for now. Every two weeks, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention publishes projections of COVID-19 variants that are dominant around the country.
The EG.5 variant is estimated to be the "dominant" strain in the U.S. because it makes up the largest share of new cases of COVID-19 compared to other variants. On Aug. 18, the CDC estimated EG.5 made up 20.6% of new infections.
Behind EG.5 – unofficially nicknamed "Eris" by virus tracker T. Ryan Gregory on social media – is a long list of other closely related variants, virtually all of which descended from the XBB strains that were dominant last winter.
FL.1.5.1 is the next-largest strain at 13.3% of U.S. infections, the CDC estimated. Dubbed "Fornax" by Gregory, FL.1.5.1 has nearly doubled from the week prior when it was an estimated 7.1% of circulating variants.
Both EG.5 and FL.1.5.1 are XBB variant descendants that share a mutation known as F456L, which appears to be helping them spread more than other virus siblings.
Authorities have also been tracking a new highly mutated strain of the virus called BA.2.86. That strain was nicknamed "Pirola" by user @JPWeiland on social media. BA.2.86's prevalence remains too small to show up on the CDC estimates and is currently being aggregated with its distant ancestor BA.2.
While only a small handful of cases have been spotted around the world, including one in Michigan, the strain's large number of mutations at some key parts of the virus has accelerated investigations into the risk that BA.2.86 might pose.
Are symptoms for new COVID variants different?
COVID symptoms appear to be largely the same. Since EG.5 and FL.1.5.1 emerged, officials have generally downplayed claims of dramatic changes in symptoms caused by these closely related new variants, compared to their close Omicron variant relatives from earlier in the pandemic.
There has been no evidence of increased disease severity from the new EG.5 strain, the WHO reported on August 9.
Experts say other changes in the population, like immunity from prior infections and vaccination, also muddies attempts to compare whether new variants are to blame for shifts in reported symptoms from the virus.
In recent months, COVID-19 symptoms appear to have remained largely the same as they have for the past year, with cold and flu-like signs – cough, headache, muscle aches, runny nose and fatigue – reported most often.
As for BA.2.86, officials say it is too early to say whether that strain will cause more severe illness because of its worrying sum of mutations.
The sole case in Michigan was "an older adult with mild symptoms, and [the patient] has not been hospitalized," Chelsea Wuth, a spokesperson for the state Department of Health and Human Services, said in a statement to CBS News.
In Denmark, health officials said their three BA.2.86 variant cases did not have "symptoms other than those normally seen" from COVID-19.
The U.K. said its BA.2.86 case was tested at a London hospital, but that it was currently not possible "to assess comparative severity by variant" based on their data.
Do COVID tests work for new COVID variants?
They seem to work, although that may change if one of the strains becomes more prevalent. The Food and Drug Administration has so far not flagged any new issues with the EG.5 and FL.1.5.1 variants, from its ongoing joint effort with the National Institutes of Health to study the performance of COVID-19 tests with new strains. One positive development — Modeling suggests the variant will not evade tests better than other previous Omicron strains.
"Now we have the genome mapped and all that information. We also have the epitopes mapped for all antigen-based tests. We can do computational analytics to see whether or not we think there's going to be any impact on test performance," Todd Merchak, co-lead of the NIH's RADx Tech initiative at the National Institute of Biomedical Imaging and Bioengineering.
Merchak said the initiative's "well-oiled machine" has been preparing for manual experiments to validate whether home COVID tests are less sensitive to EG.5 and other variants, in case the FDA decides to call for home COVID tests to be rechecked for the new strains.
"We use the same protocols, so we have comparisons across every test that's on the market, every test that's in development, we can compare them against each other so we have data for everything," said Merchak.
Experts say it's possible BA.2.86's wide changes might change the performance of some tests, if it grows more prevalent.
U.K.health authorities said it was "unreliable to attempt to predict the combined effect of the large number of mutations" from BA.2.86, but acknowledged there's enough information "to expect significant antigenic change."
Will the fall 2023 COVID vaccine boosters work for new COVID variants?
They're expected to be effective. Vaccine makers say they expect the upcoming rollout of new COVID-19 vaccine and booster shots next month will work for EG.5 and FL.1.5.1 as well, since they are closely related to the XBB.1.5 variant targeted by the revised shots recommended by the FDA and WHOearlier this year.
"We try to select the antigen that will provide the maximum breadth of immunity so that the protection to people is as wide as possible, anticipating that the virus may evolve between the time when the recommendation is issued and the time when the vaccine is produced," the WHO's Dr. Sylvie Briand told reporters on August 9.
On Aug. 17, Moderna said preliminary results from its human clinical trial data suggest its updated vaccines will trigger a "significant boost in neutralizing antibodies against EG.5 and FL.1.5.1 variants." Pfizer says data from a recent study in mice suggests its vaccine will be effective as well.
The CDC expects, based on evidence and input from the FDA advisory committee, that "the fall updated vaccines with a monovalent XBB.1.5 composition will best protect public health," Kathleen Conley, a CDC spokesperson, said in a statement August 18.
It is unclear whether BA.2.86 could upend those plans. Experts say the strain's mutations might be enough to render the upcoming shots "a fairly poor match" if it circulates more widely.
As virologist Paul Duprex told CBS News chief medical correspondent Dr. Jonathan LaPook on "60 Minutes" in March of 2021, changes in the virus' spike protein can allow it to evade antibodies and more easily infect someone. Duprex said the only way to stop a virus from mutating is to stop its spread.
"If we block its transmission, if we wear a mask, if we get vaccinated, if we do social distancing, so, there's a practical thing we can do," he said. "But physically, biologically, is there something we can do? Is there a magic bullet we can shoot at it that stops it making mutations? no."
This was part of our @60Minutes segment about #variants that aired in March, 2021. It’s perfectly applicable to what’s going on right now with #COVID19. In just 84 seconds, @PaulDuprex explains the current - and future - emergence of new variants. @CBSNews https://t.co/t30C94658C
— Jonathan LaPook, M.D (@DrLaPook) August 22, 2023continues...
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So it seems the two dominant strains right now and this third new variant all stem from the Omicron variant , so in theory the bivalent booster that was produced last year should provide some coverage remains to be seen to what degree in depth at any rate given the newest highly mutated strain is in its early stages I would expect to see Pfizer and moderna adapt once again the current bivalent to include this newest strain, it's early in the season yet
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
AW124797 said:cblock4life said:AW124797 said:cblock4life said:New variant. I’m scheduling my 17 boosters now. I believe in vaccines if for no other reason than to spread it to the non vaccinated!https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-variant-ba286-who-monitoring/
There's no booster for this highly mutated new variant and it doesn't stop the transmission, but enjoy it anyway. Have fun.
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cblock4life said:AW124797 said:cblock4life said:New variant. I’m scheduling my 17 boosters now. I believe in vaccines if for no other reason than to spread it to the non vaccinated!https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-variant-ba286-who-monitoring/0
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Thank goodness it was established yet again that the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, something we've known for over 2 years and has been discussed ad nauseum.
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