Groomers aka sexual predators
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Groomers sounds like the name of a TV show. Could make a good dark comedy.Post edited by mace1229 on0
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I consider ill people that fornicate to be sick fucks. Not sure about anyone else.0
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Doesn't fornicate just mean to have consensual sex? Nothing sick about that to me.
Or have I completely misunderstood this word my whole life?0 -
It does! Which is why I threw in "ill" to signify the sick part: ill fornicators = sick fucks. Maybe not the best pun but it's all I got.0
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ill or sick is a much bigger spectrum than pedofiles, so I was a little confused.
When I said it would make a good dark comedy, I was thinking along the lines of Tarantino and Inglorious Bastards or Once Upon a Time style.0 -
Any Republican/"Conservative" using the term groomer is projecting. Here's another one who just resigned for....grooming. https://www.advocate.com/politics/bryan-slaton-resigns-grooming-staffer
No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.0 -
Painting an entire political party with a brush happens pretty much every day here on ATM but I don't see you calling it out when it's Democrats calling all Republicans evil.HughFreakingDillon said:
I’m sorry. I’m not trying to make things personal. But painting an entire political party with that brush is a sign of serious delusion and brainwashing and/or unhinged anger.JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.I’d urge you to challenge your sources and maybe seek out actual truth.Remember: republicans are the ones who look the other way with guys like Roy Moore and rapist-in-chief DJT, Lauren Boebert (who stood behind her husband, convicted of exposing himself to minors). Need I go on?Sickness doesn’t generally subscribe to a particular political leaning. But conservative Christians sure do LOVE their altar boys…and Republican politicians. There’s a reason those robes are so heavy.
edit: Also, to be fair to you, you're one of the only ones on here that has slightly defended me at least one time.Post edited by JB16057 on0 -
There are multiple messages in this thread alone calling or insinuating that all Republicans are groomers. I'm just playing the AMT game.brianlux said:JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
I have registered to vote as a Republican once (well, OK, that was so I could vote against Reagan in the primaries, so that doesn't count), as an Independent, as a Green Party member, and (by far the most often), as a Democrat. So, JB, does that mean I'm only a sick fuck some of the time?
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I don't understand how you ever thought that my complaint was that kids should be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, etc.... The answer is no. I don't think they should be able to do any of those things just like I don't believe kids should be able to have gender reassigning treatment. I have no issue if adults want to make this decision for themselves.benjs said:
What disingenuous language (from you and from the article - unsurprised on both counts).JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
Reading the actual bill yields actual information about what will actually happen (fucking go figure).
There are compelling reasons for parents not to be notified about their child's presence in a shelter - if a parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect; or when a minor is seeking or receiving protected health care services. As explained by the proposers of the law, this is to try to curb the significant suicide rate amongst transgender homeless people.
Also, is your complaint that children SHOULD be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, and alcohol? My god am I ever glad you're on a Pearl Jam forum, instead of someone who does something that matters on the topic.
"There is no such thing as someone else's child. No such thing as someone else's child. Our nation's children are all our children." - Joe Biden
The government has no right hiding children away from parents without undeniable proof that they are being abused and this bill doesn't account for that.
I have a friend that as a child, went to the neighbors house and complained to them that his Mom wasn't feeding him. In reality, his mom wouldn't go to 7-11 and buy him top ramen. The neighbors called CPS while feeding him oatmeal which of course he hated. What a big ordeal because the kid lied and created an issue that wasn't true. Kids aren't always honest and this law is going to hurt more families than it will help. Of course there are legitimate situations where this really does happen and I feel bad for it but it isn't fair to punish all parents in Washington state. The bill was signed today.
“Among its many flaws, the bill assumes families that don’t ‘affirm’ a child’s short-term desires are being abusive. Wrong! Sometimes love requires parents to not affirm their child’s whims. Loving parents guide their children as they grow. Sometimes that means saying ‘no,’ ” Rep. Jim Walsh (R-19)
This same reasoning could be applied to kids that want to do drugs(which are aren't illegal in Washington state). If a kid wants to do drugs and the parents don't approve, should the government be able to take the kids away? No.
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder and Democrats are pushing it on our children and trying to normalize it. "A groomer is someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them."
How could a 4 year old possibly understand gender dysphoria? Yet Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions. This is child abuse and fits the definition of a "groomer".0 -
I'll take back what I said about all democrats if you stand up against this message board constantly stating that all republicans are evil. You are one of the decent people on this message board and I hate grouping all of you into one but it constantly happens to me. Once again, I'm just playing the AMT game.brianlux said:JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
I have registered to vote as a Republican once (well, OK, that was so I could vote against Reagan in the primaries, so that doesn't count), as an Independent, as a Green Party member, and (by far the most often), as a Democrat. So, JB, does that mean I'm only a sick fuck some of the time?0 -
"Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions"JB16057 said:
I don't understand how you ever thought that my complaint was that kids should be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, etc.... The answer is no. I don't think they should be able to do any of those things just like I don't believe kids should be able to have gender reassigning treatment. I have no issue if adults want to make this decision for themselves.benjs said:
What disingenuous language (from you and from the article - unsurprised on both counts).JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
Reading the actual bill yields actual information about what will actually happen (fucking go figure).
There are compelling reasons for parents not to be notified about their child's presence in a shelter - if a parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect; or when a minor is seeking or receiving protected health care services. As explained by the proposers of the law, this is to try to curb the significant suicide rate amongst transgender homeless people.
Also, is your complaint that children SHOULD be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, and alcohol? My god am I ever glad you're on a Pearl Jam forum, instead of someone who does something that matters on the topic.
"There is no such thing as someone else's child. No such thing as someone else's child. Our nation's children are all our children." - Joe Biden
The government has no right hiding children away from parents without undeniable proof that they are being abused and this bill doesn't account for that.
I have a friend that as a child, went to the neighbors house and complained to them that his Mom wasn't feeding him. In reality, his mom wouldn't go to 7-11 and buy him top ramen. The neighbors called CPS while feeding him oatmeal which of course he hated. What a big ordeal because the kid lied and created an issue that wasn't true. Kids aren't always honest and this law is going to hurt more families than it will help. Of course there are legitimate situations where this really does happen and I feel bad for it but it isn't fair to punish all parents in Washington state. The bill was signed today.
“Among its many flaws, the bill assumes families that don’t ‘affirm’ a child’s short-term desires are being abusive. Wrong! Sometimes love requires parents to not affirm their child’s whims. Loving parents guide their children as they grow. Sometimes that means saying ‘no,’ ” Rep. Jim Walsh (R-19)
This same reasoning could be applied to kids that want to do drugs(which are aren't illegal in Washington state). If a kid wants to do drugs and the parents don't approve, should the government be able to take the kids away? No.
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder and Democrats are pushing it on our children and trying to normalize it. "A groomer is someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them."
How could a 4 year old possibly understand gender dysphoria? Yet Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions. This is child abuse and fits the definition of a "groomer".
All democrats? A democrat? A liberal? Who precisely are you talking about? I'm a Democrat and I'm not pushing for this.
Regarding the bill, doing nothing further than reading the article, it says "The bill requires DCYF to make referrals on behalf of the minor for appropriate behavioral health services; and offer services designed to resolve the conflict and accomplish a reunification of the family."
It doesn't say anything about putting a child through surgery, with or without parental notice. How are you getting from the language in this article to 4 year olds having surgery?0 -
News flash, they’re not.mrussel1 said:
"Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions"JB16057 said:
I don't understand how you ever thought that my complaint was that kids should be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, etc.... The answer is no. I don't think they should be able to do any of those things just like I don't believe kids should be able to have gender reassigning treatment. I have no issue if adults want to make this decision for themselves.benjs said:
What disingenuous language (from you and from the article - unsurprised on both counts).JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
Reading the actual bill yields actual information about what will actually happen (fucking go figure).
There are compelling reasons for parents not to be notified about their child's presence in a shelter - if a parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect; or when a minor is seeking or receiving protected health care services. As explained by the proposers of the law, this is to try to curb the significant suicide rate amongst transgender homeless people.
Also, is your complaint that children SHOULD be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, and alcohol? My god am I ever glad you're on a Pearl Jam forum, instead of someone who does something that matters on the topic.
"There is no such thing as someone else's child. No such thing as someone else's child. Our nation's children are all our children." - Joe Biden
The government has no right hiding children away from parents without undeniable proof that they are being abused and this bill doesn't account for that.
I have a friend that as a child, went to the neighbors house and complained to them that his Mom wasn't feeding him. In reality, his mom wouldn't go to 7-11 and buy him top ramen. The neighbors called CPS while feeding him oatmeal which of course he hated. What a big ordeal because the kid lied and created an issue that wasn't true. Kids aren't always honest and this law is going to hurt more families than it will help. Of course there are legitimate situations where this really does happen and I feel bad for it but it isn't fair to punish all parents in Washington state. The bill was signed today.
“Among its many flaws, the bill assumes families that don’t ‘affirm’ a child’s short-term desires are being abusive. Wrong! Sometimes love requires parents to not affirm their child’s whims. Loving parents guide their children as they grow. Sometimes that means saying ‘no,’ ” Rep. Jim Walsh (R-19)
This same reasoning could be applied to kids that want to do drugs(which are aren't illegal in Washington state). If a kid wants to do drugs and the parents don't approve, should the government be able to take the kids away? No.
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder and Democrats are pushing it on our children and trying to normalize it. "A groomer is someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them."
How could a 4 year old possibly understand gender dysphoria? Yet Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions. This is child abuse and fits the definition of a "groomer".
All democrats? A democrat? A liberal? Who precisely are you talking about? I'm a Democrat and I'm not pushing for this.
Regarding the bill, doing nothing further than reading the article, it says "The bill requires DCYF to make referrals on behalf of the minor for appropriate behavioral health services; and offer services designed to resolve the conflict and accomplish a reunification of the family."
It doesn't say anything about putting a child through surgery, with or without parental notice. How are you getting from the language in this article to 4 year olds having surgery?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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JB16057 said:
There are multiple messages in this thread alone calling or insinuating that all Republicans are groomers. I'm just playing the AMT game.brianlux said:JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
I have registered to vote as a Republican once (well, OK, that was so I could vote against Reagan in the primaries, so that doesn't count), as an Independent, as a Green Party member, and (by far the most often), as a Democrat. So, JB, does that mean I'm only a sick fuck some of the time?
Well, it is all starting to feel like a game at times, I'll grant you that.I am one of those people that has often criticized Democrats and called the party on the carpet on certain issues, but you don't see me doing that as much these days, primarily because other than the Lincoln Project folks- many of whom I actually admire and who carry some traditional and somewhat conservative values- the vast majority of republicans today have knee jerk and blindly bought into a radical right wing group of tenets and seem to have done so with no apparent understanding of the value of critical thinking. I most often do not like to generalize, and I'm not saying all, but what I have said here generally rings very true to me and I say it in all seriousness and honestly.JB16057 said:
I'll take back what I said about all democrats if you stand up against this message board constantly stating that all republicans are evil. You are one of the decent people on this message board and I hate grouping all of you into one but it constantly happens to me. Once again, I'm just playing the AMT game.brianlux said:JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
I have registered to vote as a Republican once (well, OK, that was so I could vote against Reagan in the primaries, so that doesn't count), as an Independent, as a Green Party member, and (by far the most often), as a Democrat. So, JB, does that mean I'm only a sick fuck some of the time?
Sorry, just saw this so I will edit here and respond.
I don't recall anyone saying all Republicans are evil, but I would certainly not support that idea nor do I believe it for one second. I have friends who are moderate Republicans and I don't consider any of my friends to be evil. I suspect there are others here who would say the same and I would encourage them to do so.To be honest, I think your observation about "this message board constantly stating that all republicans are evil" is inaccurate. I'm guessing a more accurate statement would be, "many people who frequent AMT have frequently referred to the republican part in general as being evil." I think your saying "constantly" is an exaggeration and "frequently" is more accurate, and I think most people here would agree that the criticism is toward the Republican party in general, not all Republicans.
I hope I'm right about that and if not, perhaps we shall see. And I would invite anyone here to tell me if I am wrong.
In other words, does anyone here really believe all Republicans are evil? If anyone truly believes that, I will have to disagree with that.I think a big part of the problem here is threefold, JB. First of all, this forum is frequented more often by left leaning and hard left leaning folks, partly because they are people who follow a band that is outspoken on issues in a left leaning manner. Those of you who lean right may naturally feel outnumbered. If I were to post on a pro-MAGA site, or a Kid Rock fan site, I would very likely feel outnumbered.Secondly, I really do believe the Republican party in general has bought into a number of issues that go against the will of the majority of Americans- people who want more strict gun control measures, and fair voting right with less gerrymandering, and allow a woman's right to her own body, etc. And that in general, the Republican party has chosen to promote candidates who do not represent the majority of Americans and their beliefs. That is especially true on this forum. I'm not saying you don't have a right to post opposing views- you do- but there is no way you are not going to get people on this forum who are unhappy about how the Republican Party has gone deep right, and for those people to not be unhappy with that. Yes, sometimes many here hyperbolic our emotions, but under the circumstances I have outline here, that is going to happen.Thirdly, let's face it, a good number of your fellow Republican supporters who post here are simply agitators (often called "trolling", but agitating is a more accurate and appropriate term). And because that happens a lot here, you are going to get a number of responses that are reactionary out of frustration with bullshit. I am guilty of occasionally tossing off a sarcastic response to agitators and I will admit that reflects a lesser side of myself as well as shows a weakness by falling for the bate. I am forever working on making improvements to my posts, but I do fail at times or even totally fuck up some times, its true.I'm sorry if you feel singled out or unfairly treated. I think most people meeting you at a show would probably just as soon buy you a beer, give you a high five, and sing along with you at a PJ show. But this is AMT and it's probably always going to be what it is here.Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
You are the most civil contributing member on AMT and I appreciate that.brianlux said:JB16057 said:
There are multiple messages in this thread alone calling or insinuating that all Republicans are groomers. I'm just playing the AMT game.brianlux said:JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
I have registered to vote as a Republican once (well, OK, that was so I could vote against Reagan in the primaries, so that doesn't count), as an Independent, as a Green Party member, and (by far the most often), as a Democrat. So, JB, does that mean I'm only a sick fuck some of the time?
Well, it is all starting to feel like a game at times, I'll grant you that.
I am one of those people that has often criticized Democrats and called the party on the carpet on certain issues, but you don't see me doing that as much these days, primarily because other than the Lincoln Project folks- many of whom I actually admire and who carry some traditional and somewhat conservative values- the vast majority of republicans today have knee jerk and blindly bought into a radical right wing group of tenets and seem to have done so with no apparent understanding of the value of critical thinking. I most often do not like to generalize, but what I have said here rings very true to me and I say it ion all seriousness and honestly.
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https://www.edfirstnc.org/post/transgender-toddlers-treated-at-duke-unc-and-ecuHalifax2TheMax said:
News flash, they’re not.mrussel1 said:
"Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions"JB16057 said:
I don't understand how you ever thought that my complaint was that kids should be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, etc.... The answer is no. I don't think they should be able to do any of those things just like I don't believe kids should be able to have gender reassigning treatment. I have no issue if adults want to make this decision for themselves.benjs said:
What disingenuous language (from you and from the article - unsurprised on both counts).JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
Reading the actual bill yields actual information about what will actually happen (fucking go figure).
There are compelling reasons for parents not to be notified about their child's presence in a shelter - if a parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect; or when a minor is seeking or receiving protected health care services. As explained by the proposers of the law, this is to try to curb the significant suicide rate amongst transgender homeless people.
Also, is your complaint that children SHOULD be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, and alcohol? My god am I ever glad you're on a Pearl Jam forum, instead of someone who does something that matters on the topic.
"There is no such thing as someone else's child. No such thing as someone else's child. Our nation's children are all our children." - Joe Biden
The government has no right hiding children away from parents without undeniable proof that they are being abused and this bill doesn't account for that.
I have a friend that as a child, went to the neighbors house and complained to them that his Mom wasn't feeding him. In reality, his mom wouldn't go to 7-11 and buy him top ramen. The neighbors called CPS while feeding him oatmeal which of course he hated. What a big ordeal because the kid lied and created an issue that wasn't true. Kids aren't always honest and this law is going to hurt more families than it will help. Of course there are legitimate situations where this really does happen and I feel bad for it but it isn't fair to punish all parents in Washington state. The bill was signed today.
“Among its many flaws, the bill assumes families that don’t ‘affirm’ a child’s short-term desires are being abusive. Wrong! Sometimes love requires parents to not affirm their child’s whims. Loving parents guide their children as they grow. Sometimes that means saying ‘no,’ ” Rep. Jim Walsh (R-19)
This same reasoning could be applied to kids that want to do drugs(which are aren't illegal in Washington state). If a kid wants to do drugs and the parents don't approve, should the government be able to take the kids away? No.
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder and Democrats are pushing it on our children and trying to normalize it. "A groomer is someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them."
How could a 4 year old possibly understand gender dysphoria? Yet Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions. This is child abuse and fits the definition of a "groomer".
All democrats? A democrat? A liberal? Who precisely are you talking about? I'm a Democrat and I'm not pushing for this.
Regarding the bill, doing nothing further than reading the article, it says "The bill requires DCYF to make referrals on behalf of the minor for appropriate behavioral health services; and offer services designed to resolve the conflict and accomplish a reunification of the family."
It doesn't say anything about putting a child through surgery, with or without parental notice. How are you getting from the language in this article to 4 year olds having surgery?
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mrussel1 said:
"Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions"JB16057 said:
I don't understand how you ever thought that my complaint was that kids should be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, etc.... The answer is no. I don't think they should be able to do any of those things just like I don't believe kids should be able to have gender reassigning treatment. I have no issue if adults want to make this decision for themselves.benjs said:
What disingenuous language (from you and from the article - unsurprised on both counts).JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
Reading the actual bill yields actual information about what will actually happen (fucking go figure).
There are compelling reasons for parents not to be notified about their child's presence in a shelter - if a parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect; or when a minor is seeking or receiving protected health care services. As explained by the proposers of the law, this is to try to curb the significant suicide rate amongst transgender homeless people.
Also, is your complaint that children SHOULD be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, and alcohol? My god am I ever glad you're on a Pearl Jam forum, instead of someone who does something that matters on the topic.
"There is no such thing as someone else's child. No such thing as someone else's child. Our nation's children are all our children." - Joe Biden
The government has no right hiding children away from parents without undeniable proof that they are being abused and this bill doesn't account for that.
I have a friend that as a child, went to the neighbors house and complained to them that his Mom wasn't feeding him. In reality, his mom wouldn't go to 7-11 and buy him top ramen. The neighbors called CPS while feeding him oatmeal which of course he hated. What a big ordeal because the kid lied and created an issue that wasn't true. Kids aren't always honest and this law is going to hurt more families than it will help. Of course there are legitimate situations where this really does happen and I feel bad for it but it isn't fair to punish all parents in Washington state. The bill was signed today.
“Among its many flaws, the bill assumes families that don’t ‘affirm’ a child’s short-term desires are being abusive. Wrong! Sometimes love requires parents to not affirm their child’s whims. Loving parents guide their children as they grow. Sometimes that means saying ‘no,’ ” Rep. Jim Walsh (R-19)
This same reasoning could be applied to kids that want to do drugs(which are aren't illegal in Washington state). If a kid wants to do drugs and the parents don't approve, should the government be able to take the kids away? No.
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder and Democrats are pushing it on our children and trying to normalize it. "A groomer is someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them."
How could a 4 year old possibly understand gender dysphoria? Yet Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions. This is child abuse and fits the definition of a "groomer".
All democrats? A democrat? A liberal? Who precisely are you talking about? I'm a Democrat and I'm not pushing for this.
Regarding the bill, doing nothing further than reading the article, it says "The bill requires DCYF to make referrals on behalf of the minor for appropriate behavioral health services; and offer services designed to resolve the conflict and accomplish a reunification of the family."
It doesn't say anything about putting a child through surgery, with or without parental notice. How are you getting from the language in this article to 4 year olds having surgery?I've never heard of any Republicans pushing for gender affirming care in youth. I've seen plenty of Democrats pushing for this. All Democrats, of course not, but there are Democrats are pushing this.The state no longer has to inform the parents where their kids are. They only have to inform DCYF. It used to be that the state had to inform the parents in 72 hours but if the state now gets to make that decision without actual proof. It does say that the state will offer services to resolve the conflict and accomplish reunification but that is not a requirement.Appropriate behavorial health services includes gender affirming care which the state will now be sharing with youth without parental consent.“I look forward to a future in Washington where every single family supports their trans youth to achieve the care and success that they need,” he said. “Until that day it’s up to us to make sure that there are safe places for them to learn and grow and thrive.”“Our hope is for every child to live in a safe and supportive home that is open to a conversation about necessary medical, behavioral, social and psychological care,” Senator Liias (D-Everett), along with Senator Joe Nguyen (D-White Center), wrote in a Seattle Times op-ed. “But that is not always the case, so it’s crucial that we make sure there are supports available and that kids aren’t left vulnerable on the streets.”It's clear that Democrats in Washington state think they know what's best for the youth but it is taking away parental rights which is scary.0 -
Good lord.JB16057 said:
https://www.edfirstnc.org/post/transgender-toddlers-treated-at-duke-unc-and-ecuHalifax2TheMax said:
News flash, they’re not.mrussel1 said:
"Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions"JB16057 said:
I don't understand how you ever thought that my complaint was that kids should be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, etc.... The answer is no. I don't think they should be able to do any of those things just like I don't believe kids should be able to have gender reassigning treatment. I have no issue if adults want to make this decision for themselves.benjs said:
What disingenuous language (from you and from the article - unsurprised on both counts).JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
Reading the actual bill yields actual information about what will actually happen (fucking go figure).
There are compelling reasons for parents not to be notified about their child's presence in a shelter - if a parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect; or when a minor is seeking or receiving protected health care services. As explained by the proposers of the law, this is to try to curb the significant suicide rate amongst transgender homeless people.
Also, is your complaint that children SHOULD be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, and alcohol? My god am I ever glad you're on a Pearl Jam forum, instead of someone who does something that matters on the topic.
"There is no such thing as someone else's child. No such thing as someone else's child. Our nation's children are all our children." - Joe Biden
The government has no right hiding children away from parents without undeniable proof that they are being abused and this bill doesn't account for that.
I have a friend that as a child, went to the neighbors house and complained to them that his Mom wasn't feeding him. In reality, his mom wouldn't go to 7-11 and buy him top ramen. The neighbors called CPS while feeding him oatmeal which of course he hated. What a big ordeal because the kid lied and created an issue that wasn't true. Kids aren't always honest and this law is going to hurt more families than it will help. Of course there are legitimate situations where this really does happen and I feel bad for it but it isn't fair to punish all parents in Washington state. The bill was signed today.
“Among its many flaws, the bill assumes families that don’t ‘affirm’ a child’s short-term desires are being abusive. Wrong! Sometimes love requires parents to not affirm their child’s whims. Loving parents guide their children as they grow. Sometimes that means saying ‘no,’ ” Rep. Jim Walsh (R-19)
This same reasoning could be applied to kids that want to do drugs(which are aren't illegal in Washington state). If a kid wants to do drugs and the parents don't approve, should the government be able to take the kids away? No.
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder and Democrats are pushing it on our children and trying to normalize it. "A groomer is someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them."
How could a 4 year old possibly understand gender dysphoria? Yet Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions. This is child abuse and fits the definition of a "groomer".
All democrats? A democrat? A liberal? Who precisely are you talking about? I'm a Democrat and I'm not pushing for this.
Regarding the bill, doing nothing further than reading the article, it says "The bill requires DCYF to make referrals on behalf of the minor for appropriate behavioral health services; and offer services designed to resolve the conflict and accomplish a reunification of the family."
It doesn't say anything about putting a child through surgery, with or without parental notice. How are you getting from the language in this article to 4 year olds having surgery?
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I don't know if I would say they are pushing for those changes. But a lot of people got very upset when certain states pass laws that ban certain drugs and surgeries before a certain age. That's what I assumed he was talking about.mrussel1 said:
"Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions"JB16057 said:
I don't understand how you ever thought that my complaint was that kids should be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, etc.... The answer is no. I don't think they should be able to do any of those things just like I don't believe kids should be able to have gender reassigning treatment. I have no issue if adults want to make this decision for themselves.benjs said:
What disingenuous language (from you and from the article - unsurprised on both counts).JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
Reading the actual bill yields actual information about what will actually happen (fucking go figure).
There are compelling reasons for parents not to be notified about their child's presence in a shelter - if a parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect; or when a minor is seeking or receiving protected health care services. As explained by the proposers of the law, this is to try to curb the significant suicide rate amongst transgender homeless people.
Also, is your complaint that children SHOULD be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, and alcohol? My god am I ever glad you're on a Pearl Jam forum, instead of someone who does something that matters on the topic.
"There is no such thing as someone else's child. No such thing as someone else's child. Our nation's children are all our children." - Joe Biden
The government has no right hiding children away from parents without undeniable proof that they are being abused and this bill doesn't account for that.
I have a friend that as a child, went to the neighbors house and complained to them that his Mom wasn't feeding him. In reality, his mom wouldn't go to 7-11 and buy him top ramen. The neighbors called CPS while feeding him oatmeal which of course he hated. What a big ordeal because the kid lied and created an issue that wasn't true. Kids aren't always honest and this law is going to hurt more families than it will help. Of course there are legitimate situations where this really does happen and I feel bad for it but it isn't fair to punish all parents in Washington state. The bill was signed today.
“Among its many flaws, the bill assumes families that don’t ‘affirm’ a child’s short-term desires are being abusive. Wrong! Sometimes love requires parents to not affirm their child’s whims. Loving parents guide their children as they grow. Sometimes that means saying ‘no,’ ” Rep. Jim Walsh (R-19)
This same reasoning could be applied to kids that want to do drugs(which are aren't illegal in Washington state). If a kid wants to do drugs and the parents don't approve, should the government be able to take the kids away? No.
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder and Democrats are pushing it on our children and trying to normalize it. "A groomer is someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them."
How could a 4 year old possibly understand gender dysphoria? Yet Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions. This is child abuse and fits the definition of a "groomer".
All democrats? A democrat? A liberal? Who precisely are you talking about? I'm a Democrat and I'm not pushing for this.
Regarding the bill, doing nothing further than reading the article, it says "The bill requires DCYF to make referrals on behalf of the minor for appropriate behavioral health services; and offer services designed to resolve the conflict and accomplish a reunification of the family."
It doesn't say anything about putting a child through surgery, with or without parental notice. How are you getting from the language in this article to 4 year olds having surgery?
Public health officials have set guidelines when kids should and should not take hormones or have surgery. When Texas and other states proposed a bill that followed those guidelines, It was labeled as transphobia. Even false claims that it was now illegal to be trans in that state, and parents would be charged with child abuse if your kid was trans. None of that was true, but but it was being shared, even had a thread about it here.0 -
So that's very interesting and flies in the face of JB's argument, doesn't it? His punch line above is "It's clear that Democrats in Washington state think they know what's best for the youth but it is taking away parental rights which is scary."mace1229 said:
I don't know if I would say they are pushing for those changes. But a lot of people got very upset when certain states pass laws that ban certain drugs and surgeries before a certain age. That's what I assumed he was talking about.mrussel1 said:
"Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions"JB16057 said:
I don't understand how you ever thought that my complaint was that kids should be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, etc.... The answer is no. I don't think they should be able to do any of those things just like I don't believe kids should be able to have gender reassigning treatment. I have no issue if adults want to make this decision for themselves.benjs said:
What disingenuous language (from you and from the article - unsurprised on both counts).JB16057 said:Another common title also includes Democrats.
https://komonews.com/news/local/senate-bill-5599-washington-state-transgender-trans-at-risk-youth-gender-affirming-reproductive-care-without-parental-consent-governor-jay-inslee-family-foster-homeless-children-families-minors-law-legislation
Democrats in Washington want the ability to hide children away their parents so they can swap their junk like a Mr. Potato Head doll. Children can't get a tattoo, buy cigarettes or alcohol but Democrats want them to be able to make life altering decisions without parental consent and not only that, hide the children from the parents. Democrats are a bunch of sick fucks.
Reading the actual bill yields actual information about what will actually happen (fucking go figure).
There are compelling reasons for parents not to be notified about their child's presence in a shelter - if a parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect; or when a minor is seeking or receiving protected health care services. As explained by the proposers of the law, this is to try to curb the significant suicide rate amongst transgender homeless people.
Also, is your complaint that children SHOULD be able to get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, and alcohol? My god am I ever glad you're on a Pearl Jam forum, instead of someone who does something that matters on the topic.
"There is no such thing as someone else's child. No such thing as someone else's child. Our nation's children are all our children." - Joe Biden
The government has no right hiding children away from parents without undeniable proof that they are being abused and this bill doesn't account for that.
I have a friend that as a child, went to the neighbors house and complained to them that his Mom wasn't feeding him. In reality, his mom wouldn't go to 7-11 and buy him top ramen. The neighbors called CPS while feeding him oatmeal which of course he hated. What a big ordeal because the kid lied and created an issue that wasn't true. Kids aren't always honest and this law is going to hurt more families than it will help. Of course there are legitimate situations where this really does happen and I feel bad for it but it isn't fair to punish all parents in Washington state. The bill was signed today.
“Among its many flaws, the bill assumes families that don’t ‘affirm’ a child’s short-term desires are being abusive. Wrong! Sometimes love requires parents to not affirm their child’s whims. Loving parents guide their children as they grow. Sometimes that means saying ‘no,’ ” Rep. Jim Walsh (R-19)
This same reasoning could be applied to kids that want to do drugs(which are aren't illegal in Washington state). If a kid wants to do drugs and the parents don't approve, should the government be able to take the kids away? No.
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder and Democrats are pushing it on our children and trying to normalize it. "A groomer is someone who builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them."
How could a 4 year old possibly understand gender dysphoria? Yet Democrats are pushing for kids this young to make life altering decisions. This is child abuse and fits the definition of a "groomer".
All democrats? A democrat? A liberal? Who precisely are you talking about? I'm a Democrat and I'm not pushing for this.
Regarding the bill, doing nothing further than reading the article, it says "The bill requires DCYF to make referrals on behalf of the minor for appropriate behavioral health services; and offer services designed to resolve the conflict and accomplish a reunification of the family."
It doesn't say anything about putting a child through surgery, with or without parental notice. How are you getting from the language in this article to 4 year olds having surgery?
Public health officials have set guidelines when kids should and should not take hormones or have surgery. When Texas and other states proposed a bill that followed those guidelines, It was labeled as transphobia. Even false claims that it was now illegal to be trans in that state, and parents would be charged with child abuse if your kid was trans. None of that was true, but but it was being shared, even had a thread about it here.
In Texas and other states, a parent and child CANNOT collectively decide to provide gender affirming care. Isn't that the gov't taking away the parents rights? It's the same thing.0
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