Thoughts on political stuff at shows

Vedder316
Vedder316 Posts: 205
edited August 2007 in Given To Fly (live)
I was just driving home from work and the local radio station was just discussing the whole Ted Nugent thing where he bashed Obama at one of his shows and it got me to thinking. I attended 4 PJ shows in 2006, all which where awesome. At every show there was alot of discussion of George W, the war, Ann Coulter and even Fox News. All of the discussion was rather negative which sort of bothered me. Dont we hear enough of that shit EVERY WHERE in our normal day to day lives? I go to a concert to escape my normal day to day life. Even know I agree with most of whats being said and iam %100 in support of free speech I find it to be sort of a drag. I think the point can be displayed mighty well in a song Ala world wide suiciiiiiiiiiiide!!!!! I just feel it dampens the show. If you have a message or a feeling then sing/play about it. They could go on any tv radio or Internet site ect where its is more appropriate to discuss things like that. anytime they want. Or we could just hang out and B.S. (I WISH!!!) As Zappa once said "shut up and play your fucking guitars " Now with that said none of this will ever prevent me form seeing them, buying records ect. For they are the grandest band in the land. Thoughts??????

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  • Hinny
    Hinny Posts: 1,610
    Vedder316 wrote:
    At every show there was alot of discussion of George W, the war, Ann Coulter and even Fox News.

    ...

    Thoughts??????
    Define 'a lot'.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    when Ed's chats about Bush during a bootleg for 3 minutes, i always think to myself.... fucker, you could have played Lukin 3 times!!!!!
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Vedder316
    Vedder316 Posts: 205
    Hinny wrote:
    Define 'a lot'.


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  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    dunkman wrote:
    when Ed's chats about Bush during a bootleg for 3 minutes, i always think to myself.... fucker, you could have played Lukin 3 times!!!!!

    nice. :)



    pj determined at some point to become a political band. once bush was elected, it gave them lots of fodder.

    i wonder what they would have written about if bush wasnt in the oval office.

    ...probably about flowers and rolling down hills on sunny days. ;)
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  • 12345AGNST1
    12345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    it gets a little repetitive but for the most part it doesnt bother me. when ed talks on stage it shows that he is a person. personally i love hearing all those sotries he tells onstage, id much rather him be like that then get onstage, do his job, and then say thank you godnight.
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  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    CJMST3K wrote:
    nice. :)

    pj determined at some point to become a political band. once bush was elected, it gave them lots of fodder.

    i wonder what they would have written about if bush wasnt in the oval office.

    ...probably about flowers and rolling down hills on sunny days. ;)
    they've ALWAYS been a political band..just look at the MTV unplugged..

    I have to admit that some of the speeches bore me, because many are just rants and not articulated arguments (which you don't have time to do at a concert), therefore not informing or convincing anyone.

    I don't mind at all if Ed express political opinions in Print or TV forums (or the others; Ed gets the shit for what he says because he's got the mic more, but they all seem to share similar views when they get a chance to express them..and I'm sure they'd have got Ed to shut up at PJ gigs and events if they really disagreed) .

    on particular local or precise points (like BP Amaco at Chicago for example), it can be useful though at gigs (even if it can't be fully discussed, it can point people to have a more detailed look..I wish they'd done the charity thing in Europe too, not just teh US..to raise awareness on local causes).

    but 'Fuck Bush' is not going to push anyone torethink their position and is only pandering to people already agreeing (ok, can be fun occasionally...the W.M.A tag in Nijmegen cracked us up if only for the ':eek: did he just say that?!? :D' element)

    but to be really interesting, he needs to be making points, in a short time..and Ed is not the most 'to the point' person, bless him :)
  • Vedder316
    Vedder316 Posts: 205
    When Eddie Just blurts out "W fuck you, and "Fox news Fuck you" ect with out a reason when he is ALWAYS talking about peace and love doesn't that make him a rather large hypocrite??? I miss the more fun loving PJ. Whats next pj opening for marilyn mansion? Come on theres enough hate in this world. It saddens me that PJ is sorta hading to it.

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  • smile05
    smile05 Posts: 600
    when Ed's chats about Bush during a bootleg for 3 minutes, i always think to myself.... fucker, you could have played Lukin 3 times!!!!!

    reply of the day,couldnt of said it better myself

    they wouldnt be PJ if they didnt have there political opinions but personally would sooner hear ANY other PJ song than something that sometimes oesnt concern me/the country they are playing in.

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  • Hinny
    Hinny Posts: 1,610
    Vedder316 wrote:
    Carling Weekend Festival Leeds, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Stanley's in Chicago, and the Gorge to name a few.
    Yeah? And of the 140 minutes or thereabouts of each show, roughly how much time did he spend talking about the issues?
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  • Kevin Davis
    Kevin Davis Posts: 70
    I don't deny his right to speak his mind politically, but I'd almost always rather hear music. He gets sounding a bit like the preacher in the pulpit sometimes, and sometimes it really messes up the vibe of the show. It's very easily dismissable, though, considering how rocking the rest of the show undoubtedly is.
  • eternalfan
    eternalfan Posts: 39
    dunkman wrote:
    when Ed's chats about Bush during a bootleg for 3 minutes, i always think to myself.... fucker, you could have played Lukin 3 times!!!!!


    :D:D
    it's evolution baby.....makes much more sense
  • eternalfan
    eternalfan Posts: 39
    Pegasus wrote:
    they've ALWAYS been a political band..just look at the MTV unplugged..

    I LOVE the fact they are trying to get ppl to pay attention to our world and issues. It's a part of them and should be a part of us. We CAN make a difference in our own way and why should they get up on stage and just play????
    i recentley went to a concert and sat thorugh 3.5 hours of greatest hits/ improv's and NO COMMUNICATION from band members. IT SUCKED!
    it's evolution baby.....makes much more sense
  • pjfan31
    pjfan31 Posts: 7,335
    I like it. It is who he is as a person, and he is using his name and his position to pass a message on to the fans. In America where voting isn't compulsory (where is australia where i'm from it is) If he encourages one person or a thousand people to register to vote and get this arsehole out of office, then it has worked.

    It would be irressponsible for eddie not to use a concert to pass the message. And if you have a problem witrh eddie doing this, I take it you have a problem with songs like No More and Bush leaguer.
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  • Vedder316
    Vedder316 Posts: 205
    Hinny wrote:
    Yeah? And of the 140 minutes or thereabouts of each show, roughly how much time did he spend talking about the issues?



    Iam not saying that he banters on and on. Iam just saying the negativity that Eddie displays sometimes in his messages just brings the show down a bit. It makes it seem like if you support Bush (which I proudly do) that iam an asshole and am not welcome there. And I do agree that I'll take 3 mins of Bashing for the best show money and spirit can buy. Good conversation as always here in the Pit.

    I know this is off the subject but I'd love to see Eddie on The O'Reilly factor. A discussion/debate of two great minds.

    Take care.
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  • pajo
    pajo Posts: 3,292
    I don't mind the political stuff one bit. First of all, shows where there is no communication suck (for instance the recent Pixies shows where they put on a killer show music-wise but don't say a word) and make me feel as if the band is there just for 'work' (which they don't particulary like). Also, I don't think it is (or that it was ever) possible to separate PJ from politics so there's that as well.

    And I personally can't understand this feeling 'we paid to hear your music, not Ed's political rants'. It seems to me (I'm not saying people who say that really feel that, I'm just saying it seems that way to me) that it's like saying 'I paid for a service and I want you to deliver'. And that just cannot be applied to a rock show (or not a good one), IMO.
  • StuartC
    StuartC Posts: 33
    Although I am a conservative-leaning moderate, I actually don't mind the political rants too much. I like how they show that they care, and while they certainly advocate their liberal causes, more importantly they advocate just simply caring, and stress the importance of voting. If Eddie's political talk can convince a bunch of the people in a 40,000 plus crowd to get out and vote, it's worth it.

    Also, I'd like to say that they should not talk American politics while touring abroad. The main reason being that the people probably just don't care, but also, I do not think Eddie should be including foreigners in a conversation about American politics. It is not their country to criticize, and as an American I don't appreciate Eddie instigating sour thoughts about my president and my congress no matter how dysfunctional and mindnumbing they really are.

    But all in all, Eddie and the rest of the guys still rock!
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  • eternalfan
    eternalfan Posts: 39
    OffStuGoes wrote:
    Also, I'd like to say that they should not talk American politics while touring abroad. The main reason being that the people probably just don't care, but also, I do not think Eddie should be including foreigners in a conversation about American politics. It is not their country to criticize, and as an American I don't appreciate Eddie instigating sour thoughts about my president and my congress no matter how dysfunctional and mindnumbing they really are.

    I live in a country (like most) where American/Chinese/UK decisions STRONGLY influence it's economy / environment / defence forces..............how can responsible political / humanitarians NOT bring certain issues in to the ring??
    it's evolution baby.....makes much more sense
  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    OffStuGoes wrote:
    Although I am a conservative-leaning moderate, I actually don't mind the political rants too much. I like how they show that they care, and while they certainly advocate their liberal causes, more importantly they advocate just simply caring, and stress the importance of voting. If Eddie's political talk can convince a bunch of the people in a 40,000 plus crowd to get out and vote, it's worth it.

    Also, I'd like to say that they should not talk American politics while touring abroad. The main reason being that the people probably just don't care, but also, I do not think Eddie should be including foreigners in a conversation about American politics. It is not their country to criticize, and as an American I don't appreciate Eddie instigating sour thoughts about my president and my congress no matter how dysfunctional and mindnumbing they really are.

    But all in all, Eddie and the rest of the guys still rock!
    when America stops mingling with the rest of the world politics, either directly or through economic pressure, then we'll stop caring who the fuck rules your country.
    you don't care about who governs the UK, France or Zimbabwe because it doesn't affect you (or at least you don't think it does)..we know that Bush's actions have had effect on our lives, even if WE were not dumb enough to vote for him...or allowed to vote against..
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Vedder316 wrote:
    I know this is off the subject but I'd love to see Eddie on The O'Reilly factor. A discussion/debate of two great minds.

    Take care.
    yeah ones a loud mouth asshole and the other says ummm and mumbles alot, real great debate there.
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  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    it has gotten very old

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