The 2023 Tour Speculation Thread - Potential Dates/Cities, Logistics/Data & Wishlists **UPDATED**

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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 98,322
    Go Animal said:
    Weston1283 said:


    Josh will be unavailable for PJ during all current and future Jane's Addiction shows
    Thanks for the heads up, @Weston128! (from the rumor thread)
    With this in mind, if Josh is still in the mix with all parties, here's his schedule:
    • 03/07 - Rialto Theatre - Tuscon, AZ (Jane's)
    • 03/09 - Hollywood Palladium - Hollywood, CA (Jane's)
    • 03/11 - Grand Sierra - Reno, NV (Jane's)
    • 03/12 - The Cosmopolitan - Las Vegas, NV (Jane's)
    • 03/18 - Lollapalooza Argentina (Jane's)
    • 03/19 - Lollapalooza Chile (Jane's)
    • 03/25 - Lollapalooza Brazil (Jane's)
    I think this is notable, because I think it finally confirms that Josh won't be touring with Iggy & the Losers. And like @PJNB pointed out, depending on when these international dates are, I don't think PJ will be affected. They'll work it out.


    Hopefully "some additional international shows to be announced soon" doesn't fall under spring / summer dates.

  • camhendy
    camhendy Posts: 168
    edited March 2023
    @Go Animal With the activity in the rumour thread should we get this fired back up again? Some real smoke around late summer/fall. What says you? 
    2013: London
    2016: Ottawa
    2018: Wrigley 1 & 2
    2022: Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
    2023: Innings Fest (EV), Ft Worth 1 & 2, Austin 1 & 2
    2024: Seattle 1 & 2


  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,065
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,967
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose?  If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would :)
  • Mr. Fixer
    Mr. Fixer Posts: 593
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
  • Foriginal Sin
    Foriginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,880
    Zod said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose?  If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would :)
    Do not go see Jane’s Addiction. Buddy spent $300 on two tickets in Tempe a few years back and they played 58 mins. That’s it. Gtfoh 
    Chicago 6/29/98, Alpine Valley(EV) 6/13/99, Alpine Valley 10/08/00, Chicago 10/09/00, Phoenix 10/20/00, Orlando 4/12/03, Tampa 4/13/03, San Diego 6/05/03, Vegas 6/06/03, Phoenix 6/07/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Orlando 10/08/04, D.C. 10/11/04, Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, LA 7/12/08, Chicago 8/23/09, Chicago 8/24/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09 (Front Row Center, Finally), Phoenix(EV) 11/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Denver 10/22/14, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/16
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,967
    Foriginal Sin said:
    Zod said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose?  If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would :)
    Do not go see Jane’s Addiction. Buddy spent $300 on two tickets in Tempe a few years back and they played 58 mins. That’s it. Gtfoh 
    I saw them open for the Smashing Pumpkins a few months ago in Vancouver.   They worked as an opener, because your supposed to play a shorter set, it means less filler, and you leaving the bigger set the headliner.  They were ok, which is pretty much as they've been every time I saw them.

    At Lolla 2003 in Auburn, WA, Audioslave played before Janes' Addiction closed.   Not a great idea to have a high energy band play before a lower energy band... the whole crowd kind of deflated :)
  • Foriginal Sin
    Foriginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,880
    Zod said:
    Foriginal Sin said:
    Zod said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose?  If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would :)
    Do not go see Jane’s Addiction. Buddy spent $300 on two tickets in Tempe a few years back and they played 58 mins. That’s it. Gtfoh 
    I saw them open for the Smashing Pumpkins a few months ago in Vancouver.   They worked as an opener, because your supposed to play a shorter set, it means less filler, and you leaving the bigger set the headliner.  They were ok, which is pretty much as they've been every time I saw them.

    At Lolla 2003 in Auburn, WA, Audioslave played before Janes' Addiction closed.   Not a great idea to have a high energy band play before a lower energy band... the whole crowd kind of deflated :)
    This show, they were the headliner. 58 mins. Ive heard of better shows at the county fair 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,065
    edited March 2023
    Mr. Fixer said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
    Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    mace1229 said:
    Mr. Fixer said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
    Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.
    No one is saying they are moving things around for Josh. People are saying Josh is able to do other things because Pearl Jam is not touring. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,065
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    Mr. Fixer said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
    Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.
    No one is saying they are moving things around for Josh. People are saying Josh is able to do other things because Pearl Jam is not touring. 
    I thought I saw some also implying PJ wont do certain dates because Josh is not available.
  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 98,322
    New England 2023 tour dates please!
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,218
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    Mr. Fixer said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
    Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.
    No one is saying they are moving things around for Josh. People are saying Josh is able to do other things because Pearl Jam is not touring. 

    This. Josh can do what he wants because there are no PJ dates planned. ACL would not surprise me because of the payday and that would be great because it usually means a few dates around the festival. They just played in September. That usually means years before more dates. Hope I am wrong.
  • Foriginal Sin
    Foriginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,880
    edited March 2023
    I know everyone speculates and loves to hope but the odds of them touring in 2023 don’t look good to me based on their history. 2022 they played their most shows in a year since 2009 but that was 13 years prior (and younger). Since then

    2014: 32 shows
    2015: 11 
    2016: 25 shows
    2017: 1
    2018: 26 shows
    2019: 0
    2022: 33 shows
    2023: ?

    might play some randoms and hope they tour but they might be off for another year (at least)
    Post edited by Foriginal Sin on
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,218
    Foriginal Sin said:
    I know everyone speculates and loves to hope but the odds of them touring in 2023 don’t look good to me based on their history. 2022 they played their most shows in a year since 2009 but that was 13 years prior (and younger). Since then

    2014: 32 shows
    2015: 11 
    2016: 25 shows
    2017: 1
    2018: 26 shows
    2019: 4
    2022: 33 shows
    2023: ?

    might play some randoms and hope they tour but they might be off for another year (at least)
    That is correct except you are missing the 2021 shows. Hopefully they are working on a record because a record means more shows. There is still hope for 2023 as the festival paydays are huge and ACL in October would be a year after the last shows. I am not expecting 2023 shows, but it would be nice if there were!
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited March 2023
    2019 had no shows. 

    I think they hit some missed markets this year and either take next year off touring North America or hit it big with a new album. 
  • Foriginal Sin
    Foriginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,880
    Get_Right said:
    Foriginal Sin said:
    I know everyone speculates and loves to hope but the odds of them touring in 2023 don’t look good to me based on their history. 2022 they played their most shows in a year since 2009 but that was 13 years prior (and younger). Since then

    2014: 32 shows
    2015: 11 
    2016: 25 shows
    2017: 1
    2018: 26 shows
    2019: 4
    2022: 33 shows
    2023: ?

    might play some randoms and hope they tour but they might be off for another year (at least)
    That is correct except you are missing the 2021 shows. Hopefully they are working on a record because a record means more shows. There is still hope for 2023 as the festival paydays are huge and ACL in October would be a year after the last shows. I am not expecting 2023 shows, but it would be nice if there were!
    I mixed up 2019 and 2021 which proves my point more. I’ll adjust 
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    They went on a span of over 3 years with no shows recently. Looking at what has been a normal touring pattern the last handful of years is probably not going to be helpful guessing if they are going to play this year. On top of that they also released an album and have yet to hit a lot of major markets since then. 2 of those cities have been mentioned in the rumour thread. Seattle has to be in that mix as well if they are playing this year. 
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,412 
    string firstLeg = "Summer";
string secondLeg = "Fall";
Console.data.pathways($"I gather speed {firstLeg} and {secondLeg}")_ //2023

    35 years, 35 shows.

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08

    ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,412
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    35 years, 35 shows.

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08

    ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!

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