The 2023 Tour Speculation Thread - Potential Dates/Cities, Logistics/Data & Wishlists UPDATED

demetrios · January 2023

josevolution said:

So no shows for 23?

I hope there will be shows in 2023.

Go Animal · January 2023

Just some data for those of us still holding out for a Spring leg. If we're sticking with April/May as a time-frame (Krist's blog, Apollo line rumor, etc.), here's where the boys stand with Josh K. as the factor.

If Josh is touring with Iggy & the Losers, then the open dates for PJ would be the following:

Sat. April 1st - Tue. April 18th
Mon. May 1st - early June

This is because The Losers have dates from April 20th to April 29th. If Josh is playing with both bands (and giving him a day to relax between them lol), then this is what you're left with.

If Josh was just a one-off for the Kimmel performance last week, then he & the boys are available all through April & May. BUT...

If Josh, Andrew Watt & Chad are plotting with Ed for some Earthlings dates, then all of a sudden this looks like 2008 again. A bunch of Ed solo dates, some PJ in the summer, and more Ed in the fall. I think it's going to be a mix of 2008, 2016, and last year. A little Ed here, a little PJ there. Rinse & repeat. So, here are the open dates for Pearl Jam AND the Earthlings, if that's the route they go with.

PJ: Sat. April 1st - Tue. April 18th is possible (give, or take Mar. 30th & 31st)
Iggy & The Losers: Thu. April 20th - Sat. April 29th (confirmed)
PJ: Mon. May 1st - Thu. May 25th is possible
Earthlings: Sat. May 27th - Thu. June 15th is possible

PJ: most likely on break unless they book a festival, or a ballpark
Earthlings: Tue. July 25th - Sun. Aug. 6th is possible (Glen & Markéta's tour starts on 08/08/23 at the Ryman)
PJ: Tue. Aug. 8th - rest of the year is possible
Swell Season (Glen & Markéta): Tue. Aug. 8th - Sun. Aug. 27th (confirmed)
Earthlings: Tue. Aug 29th - rest of the year is possible (including Ohana in September)

Data!

tylermoore · January 2023

May-June would make more sense with most of the playoffs being done in the arenas. I like the sound of that

Go Animal · January 2023

tylermoore said:

May-June would make more sense with most of the playoffs being done in the arenas. I like the sound of that

I'd be down with that. That would be more of a 2008 vibe, with a mix of outdoor & indoor venues. I just want another Hartford date, lol. Don't care when.

trees · January 2023

I was listening to the 2021 bootlegs the first one of 4 and they said they wanted to Gigaton "inside joke " clearly on The bootleg cd you can hear the little story, so I think that's what's going to happen very soon there going to tour or a Gigaton of shows

Go Animal · January 2023

trees said:

I was listening to the 2021 bootlegs the first one of 4 and they said they wanted to Gigaton "inside joke " clearly on The bootleg cd you can hear thd little story, so I think that's what's going to happen very soon there going to tour or a Gigaton of shows

And that brings us back to 2016. I had tickets for Tampa & MSG. Despite being out for 2 1/2 years, Lightning Bolt was still "new" to me lol. So, that's why I keep going back to that tour as a template.

demetrios · January 2023

Go Animal said:

trees said:

I was listening to the 2021 bootlegs the first one of 4 and they said they wanted to Gigaton "inside joke " clearly on The bootleg cd you can hear thd little story, so I think that's what's going to happen very soon there going to tour or a Gigaton of shows

And that brings us back to 2016. I had tickets for Tampa & MSG. Despite being out for 2 1/2 years, Lightning Bolt was still "new" to me lol. So, that's why I keep going back to that tour as a template.

Good template man.

demetrios · January 2023

https://twitter.com/eddievedder/status/1618649826446688257?t=l8FMiq6djQZ32rF2uV8D0w&s=19

Go Animal · January 2023

Go Animal said:
Just some data for those of us still holding out for a Spring leg. If we're sticking with April/May as a time-frame (Krist's blog, Apollo line rumor, etc.), here's where the boys stand with Josh K. as the factor.
If Josh is touring with Iggy & the Losers, then the open dates for PJ would be the following:
Sat. April 1st - Tue. April 18th
Mon. May 1st - early June
This is because The Losers have dates from April 20th to April 29th. If Josh is playing with both bands (and giving him a day to relax between them lol), then this is what you're left with.
If Josh was just a one-off for the Kimmel performance last week, then he & the boys are available all through April & May. BUT...
If Josh, Andrew Watt & Chad are plotting with Ed for some Earthlings dates, then all of a sudden this looks like 2008 again. A bunch of Ed solo dates, some PJ in the summer, and more Ed in the fall. I think it's going to be a mix of 2008, 2016, and last year. A little Ed here, a little PJ there. Rinse & repeat. So, here are the open dates for Pearl Jam AND the Earthlings, if that's the route they go with.
PJ: Sat. April 1st - Tue. April 18th is possible (give, or take Mar. 30th & 31st)
Iggy & The Losers: Thu. April 20th - Sat. April 29th (confirmed)
PJ: Mon. May 1st - Thu. May 25th is possible
Earthlings: Sat. May 27th - Thu. June 15th is possible
PJ: most likely on break unless they book a festival, or a ballpark
Earthlings: Tue. July 25th - Sun. Aug. 6th is possible (Glen & Markéta's tour starts on 08/08/23 at the Ryman)
PJ: Tue. Aug. 8th - rest of the year is possible
Swell Season (Glen & Markéta): Tue. Aug. 8th - Sun. Aug. 27th (confirmed)
Earthlings: Tue. Aug 29th - rest of the year is possible (including Ohana in September)
Data!

More data!

With Ohana conformed for Sept. 29th - Oct. 1st, I'm focusing my Leg 2/September research around it. I'm thinking Ohana, then if the ACL thing comes true, then we'll have that as a possible end date.

October/November isn't out of the realm of possibility, but the last time they played that late in the year was 2014 in the US, and 2015 in South America.

Go Animal · January 2023

Weston1283 said:

Josh will be unavailable for PJ during all current and future Jane's Addiction shows

Thanks for the heads up, @Weston128! (from the rumor thread)

With this in mind, if Josh is still in the mix with all parties, here's his schedule:

03/07 - Rialto Theatre - Tuscon, AZ (Jane's)
03/09 - Hollywood Palladium - Hollywood, CA (Jane's)
03/11 - Grand Sierra - Reno, NV (Jane's)
03/12 - The Cosmopolitan - Las Vegas, NV (Jane's)
03/18 - Lollapalooza Argentina (Jane's)
03/19 - Lollapalooza Chile (Jane's)
03/25 - Lollapalooza Brazil (Jane's)

I think this is notable, because I think it finally confirms that Josh won't be touring with Iggy & the Losers. And like @PJNB pointed out, depending on when these international dates are, I don't think PJ will be affected. They'll work it out.

demetrios · January 2023

Go Animal said:

Weston1283 said:

Josh will be unavailable for PJ during all current and future Jane's Addiction shows

Thanks for the heads up, @Weston128! (from the rumor thread)
With this in mind, if Josh is still in the mix with all parties, here's his schedule:
03/07 - Rialto Theatre - Tuscon, AZ (Jane's)
03/09 - Hollywood Palladium - Hollywood, CA (Jane's)
03/11 - Grand Sierra - Reno, NV (Jane's)
03/12 - The Cosmopolitan - Las Vegas, NV (Jane's)
03/18 - Lollapalooza Argentina (Jane's)
03/19 - Lollapalooza Chile (Jane's)
03/25 - Lollapalooza Brazil (Jane's)
I think this is notable, because I think it finally confirms that Josh won't be touring with Iggy & the Losers. And like @PJNB pointed out, depending on when these international dates are, I don't think PJ will be affected. They'll work it out.

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Hopefully "some additional international shows to be announced soon" doesn't fall under spring / summer dates.

camhendy · March 2023

@Go Animal With the activity in the rumour thread should we get this fired back up again? Some real smoke around late summer/fall. What says you?

mace1229 · March 2023

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

Zod · March 2023

mace1229 said:

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose? If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would

Mr. Fixer · March 2023

mace1229 said:

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason. It is nonsensical.

Foriginal Sin · March 2023

Zod said:

mace1229 said:

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose? If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would

Do not go see Jane’s Addiction. Buddy spent $300 on two tickets in Tempe a few years back and they played 58 mins. That’s it. Gtfoh

Zod · March 2023

Foriginal Sin said:

Zod said:

mace1229 said:

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose? If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would

Do not go see Jane’s Addiction. Buddy spent $300 on two tickets in Tempe a few years back and they played 58 mins. That’s it. Gtfoh

I saw them open for the Smashing Pumpkins a few months ago in Vancouver. They worked as an opener, because your supposed to play a shorter set, it means less filler, and you leaving the bigger set the headliner. They were ok, which is pretty much as they've been every time I saw them.

At Lolla 2003 in Auburn, WA, Audioslave played before Janes' Addiction closed. Not a great idea to have a high energy band play before a lower energy band... the whole crowd kind of deflated

Foriginal Sin · March 2023

Zod said:

Foriginal Sin said:

Zod said:

mace1229 said:

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose? If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would

Do not go see Jane’s Addiction. Buddy spent $300 on two tickets in Tempe a few years back and they played 58 mins. That’s it. Gtfoh

I saw them open for the Smashing Pumpkins a few months ago in Vancouver. They worked as an opener, because your supposed to play a shorter set, it means less filler, and you leaving the bigger set the headliner. They were ok, which is pretty much as they've been every time I saw them.

At Lolla 2003 in Auburn, WA, Audioslave played before Janes' Addiction closed. Not a great idea to have a high energy band play before a lower energy band... the whole crowd kind of deflated

This show, they were the headliner. 58 mins. Ive heard of better shows at the county fair

mace1229 · March 2023

Mr. Fixer said:

mace1229 said:

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason. It is nonsensical.

Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.

PJNB · March 2023

mace1229 said:

Mr. Fixer said:

mace1229 said:

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason. It is nonsensical.

Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.

No one is saying they are moving things around for Josh. People are saying Josh is able to do other things because Pearl Jam is not touring.

mace1229 · March 2023

PJNB said:

mace1229 said:

Mr. Fixer said:

mace1229 said:

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason. It is nonsensical.

Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.

No one is saying they are moving things around for Josh. People are saying Josh is able to do other things because Pearl Jam is not touring.

I thought I saw some also implying PJ wont do certain dates because Josh is not available.

demetrios · March 2023

New England 2023 tour dates please!

Get_Right · March 2023

PJNB said:

mace1229 said:

Mr. Fixer said:

mace1229 said:

Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour.

It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason. It is nonsensical.

Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.

No one is saying they are moving things around for Josh. People are saying Josh is able to do other things because Pearl Jam is not touring.

This. Josh can do what he wants because there are no PJ dates planned. ACL would not surprise me because of the payday and that would be great because it usually means a few dates around the festival. They just played in September. That usually means years before more dates. Hope I am wrong.

Foriginal Sin · March 2023

I know everyone speculates and loves to hope but the odds of them touring in 2023 don’t look good to me based on their history. 2022 they played their most shows in a year since 2009 but that was 13 years prior (and younger). Since then

2014: 32 shows
2015: 11
2016: 25 shows
2017: 1
2018: 26 shows
2019: 0
2022: 33 shows
2023: ?

might play some randoms and hope they tour but they might be off for another year (at least)

Get_Right · March 2023

Foriginal Sin said:

I know everyone speculates and loves to hope but the odds of them touring in 2023 don’t look good to me based on their history. 2022 they played their most shows in a year since 2009 but that was 13 years prior (and younger). Since then

2014: 32 shows
2015: 11
2016: 25 shows
2017: 1
2018: 26 shows
2019: 4
2022: 33 shows
2023: ?

might play some randoms and hope they tour but they might be off for another year (at least)

That is correct except you are missing the 2021 shows. Hopefully they are working on a record because a record means more shows. There is still hope for 2023 as the festival paydays are huge and ACL in October would be a year after the last shows. I am not expecting 2023 shows, but it would be nice if there were!

PJNB · March 2023

2019 had no shows.

I think they hit some missed markets this year and either take next year off touring North America or hit it big with a new album.

Foriginal Sin · March 2023

Get_Right said:

Foriginal Sin said:

I know everyone speculates and loves to hope but the odds of them touring in 2023 don’t look good to me based on their history. 2022 they played their most shows in a year since 2009 but that was 13 years prior (and younger). Since then

2014: 32 shows
2015: 11
2016: 25 shows
2017: 1
2018: 26 shows
2019: 4
2022: 33 shows
2023: ?

might play some randoms and hope they tour but they might be off for another year (at least)

That is correct except you are missing the 2021 shows. Hopefully they are working on a record because a record means more shows. There is still hope for 2023 as the festival paydays are huge and ACL in October would be a year after the last shows. I am not expecting 2023 shows, but it would be nice if there were!

I mixed up 2019 and 2021 which proves my point more. I’ll adjust

PJNB · March 2023

They went on a span of over 3 years with no shows recently. Looking at what has been a normal touring pattern the last handful of years is probably not going to be helpful guessing if they are going to play this year. On top of that they also released an album and have yet to hit a lot of major markets since then. 2 of those cities have been mentioned in the rumour thread. Seattle has to be in that mix as well if they are playing this year.

Go Animal · March 2023

string firstLeg = "Summer";
string secondLeg = "Fall";
Console.data.pathways($"I gather speed {firstLeg} and {secondLeg}")_ //2023

Go Animal · March 2023

_data_dump_incoming_:)

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