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  • mrussel1
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    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So this is really odd.  I guess they decided he can't claim executive privilege because that is extended to the branch of gov't, and the DOJ is part of the same branch as him.  So he is going with the speech and debate clause, which protects legislators from being prosecuted for their words in context of their duty.  My guess is that because the VP presides over the senate, he's going to argue that protects him.  So he's basically saying he is a member of two branches of gov't.  That's pretty interesting.  Seems like a stretch, but we'll see.  

    I doubt Smith would have subpoenaed him without securing his appearance agreement first. This seems like show to me for 2024. Plausible-ish argument of no I wont because..... Then he has greater cover. Fuckstick was already claiming privilege about the lead up to Jan 6 when the subpoena was announced.
    Yeah, could be. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,192
    edited February 2023
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So this is really odd.  I guess they decided he can't claim executive privilege because that is extended to the branch of gov't, and the DOJ is part of the same branch as him.  So he is going with the speech and debate clause, which protects legislators from being prosecuted for their words in context of their duty.  My guess is that because the VP presides over the senate, he's going to argue that protects him.  So he's basically saying he is a member of two branches of gov't.  That's pretty interesting.  Seems like a stretch, but we'll see.  

    I doubt Smith would have subpoenaed him without securing his appearance agreement first. This seems like show to me for 2024. Plausible-ish argument of no I wont because..... Then he has greater cover. Fuckstick was already claiming privilege about the lead up to Jan 6 when the subpoena was announced.
    good call...you're probably right. This gives him the appearance of protecting tRump but in the end likely won't (or can't) protect him.


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  • mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So this is really odd.  I guess they decided he can't claim executive privilege because that is extended to the branch of gov't, and the DOJ is part of the same branch as him.  So he is going with the speech and debate clause, which protects legislators from being prosecuted for their words in context of their duty.  My guess is that because the VP presides over the senate, he's going to argue that protects him.  So he's basically saying he is a member of two branches of gov't.  That's pretty interesting.  Seems like a stretch, but we'll see.  

    I doubt Smith would have subpoenaed him without securing his appearance agreement first. This seems like show to me for 2024. Plausible-ish argument of no I wont because..... Then he has greater cover. Fuckstick was already claiming privilege about the lead up to Jan 6 when the subpoena was announced.
    good call...you're probably right. This gives him the appearance of protecting tRump but in the end likely won't (or can't) protect him.


    He’s going to take the 5th, claim executive privilege and/or state that he doesn’t recall. There’s no way that he testifies to any substance that assists with any future potential prosecutions. None.
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  • mrussel1
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    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So this is really odd.  I guess they decided he can't claim executive privilege because that is extended to the branch of gov't, and the DOJ is part of the same branch as him.  So he is going with the speech and debate clause, which protects legislators from being prosecuted for their words in context of their duty.  My guess is that because the VP presides over the senate, he's going to argue that protects him.  So he's basically saying he is a member of two branches of gov't.  That's pretty interesting.  Seems like a stretch, but we'll see.  

    I doubt Smith would have subpoenaed him without securing his appearance agreement first. This seems like show to me for 2024. Plausible-ish argument of no I wont because..... Then he has greater cover. Fuckstick was already claiming privilege about the lead up to Jan 6 when the subpoena was announced.
    good call...you're probably right. This gives him the appearance of protecting tRump but in the end likely won't (or can't) protect him.


    He’s going to take the 5th, claim executive privilege and/or state that he doesn’t recall. There’s no way that he testifies to any substance that assists with any future potential prosecutions. None.
    I don't know why he would plead the fifth.  How would he incriminate himself?  He did the right thing.  Executive privilege doesn't work either, since the DOJ is the same branch and Biden will waive privilege claims.  I'm not saying anything will come from it, but those two arguments won't work.  
  • gimmesometruth27
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    like haley has a prayer or something.
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    WOW!  Holy shit.  I don't think she actually knows any "black people"...
  • The Juggler
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    like haley has a prayer or something.
    One might say she and the others are only entering the race to help Trump....
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So this is really odd.  I guess they decided he can't claim executive privilege because that is extended to the branch of gov't, and the DOJ is part of the same branch as him.  So he is going with the speech and debate clause, which protects legislators from being prosecuted for their words in context of their duty.  My guess is that because the VP presides over the senate, he's going to argue that protects him.  So he's basically saying he is a member of two branches of gov't.  That's pretty interesting.  Seems like a stretch, but we'll see.  

    I doubt Smith would have subpoenaed him without securing his appearance agreement first. This seems like show to me for 2024. Plausible-ish argument of no I wont because..... Then he has greater cover. Fuckstick was already claiming privilege about the lead up to Jan 6 when the subpoena was announced.
    good call...you're probably right. This gives him the appearance of protecting tRump but in the end likely won't (or can't) protect him.


    He’s going to take the 5th, claim executive privilege and/or state that he doesn’t recall. There’s no way that he testifies to any substance that assists with any future potential prosecutions. None.
    I don't know why he would plead the fifth.  How would he incriminate himself?  He did the right thing.  Executive privilege doesn't work either, since the DOJ is the same branch and Biden will waive privilege claims.  I'm not saying anything will come from it, but those two arguments won't work.  
    It’s not about what he did on January 6th, it’s about what he knows, witnessed, who said what to whom, in the lead up to January 6th. He’s not going to be a “rat.” A huge part of any potential criminal prosecution will be the ability to prove “criminal intent.” You need more than one witness or at least one witness and documentary evidence. Regardless, he ain’t ratting out POOTWH.
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  • like haley has a prayer or something.
    Never trust someone who speaks through their teeth.
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  • OnWis97
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    like haley has a prayer or something.
    I'd guess she's seeking the bottom-half of the ticket.
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  • mickeyrat
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    GOP leaders start laying groundwork for more Ukraine aid
    By KEVIN FREKING
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Testimony on Russian war crimes. Monthly classified briefings. High-profile hearings, TV appearances and even op-eds in conservative media outlets.

    Leading Republicans in Congress are not waiting for the next debate over assistance to Ukraine, instead launching an early and aggressive effort to make the case for why the U.S. should continue spending billions of dollars on the war effort.

    One of their main challenges: winning over skeptical Republican colleagues.

    “I’m very much focused on the dissension within my own party on this,” Republican Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told The Associated Press.

    McCaul plans to hold a hearing in the spring focused on Russian atrocities against Ukrainian civilians, to try to bring home the war’s terrible toll.

    “I find that moves the dial, when they see these horrific killings of children,” McCaul said.

    The task ahead is challenging, particularly in the House. While Republicans have often been the nation’s leading defense hawks, eager for the U.S. to defend its interests through foreign action, former President Donald Trump’s “America First” approach has emboldened a noninterventionist wing that is ascendant. They are clamoring for the Ukraine aid to come to an end.

    The top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rep. Gregory Meeks of New York, said of the Republicans across the aisle: “There are some that I’ve talked to, they don’t realize the interest the United States has in it.”

    Last week, a group of 11 House Republicans led by Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida unveiled a “Ukraine Fatigue” resolution. It stated that the U.S. “must end its military and financial aid to Ukraine” and urged the combatants to “reach a peace agreement.”

    “America is in a state of managed decline, and it will exacerbate if we continue to hemorrhage taxpayer dollars toward a foreign war," Gaetz said.

    The U.S. has provided four rounds of aid to Ukraine in response to Russia’s invasion, totaling about $113 billion, with some of the money going toward replenishment of U.S. military equipment that was sent to the frontlines.

    Congress approved the latest round of aid in December. While the package was designed to last through the end of the fiscal year in September, much depends upon events on the ground. Officials in Kyiv anticipate a new Russian offensive in coming weeks around the anniversary of the Feb. 24 invasion, which could hasten Ukraine’s need for more military and economic assistance.

    But another funding request is certain to face heavy resistance from lawmakers closely aligned with Trump and budget hawks worried about the nation's $31 trillion in government debt.

    “We’ve got to get our financial house in order in the United States before we put any more dollars overseas for things like that,” said Rep. Ralph Norman, R-S.C. “We’ve met our goal for Ukraine.”

    McCaul, as the new Republican chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, is now a key player in U.S. funding decisions. He is working to bring in Ukrainian Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin to testify about the violence being inflicted on civilians.

    A team of experts commissioned by the U.N.’s top human rights body found last year that Russian forces are responsible for the vast majority of war crimes and human rights violations in Ukraine. The commission documented patterns of summary executions, unlawful confinement, torture, rape and other sexual violence.

    McCaul said he wants his colleagues and the public to see clearly what is happening in Ukraine and why U.S. aid is so vital.

    “It’s not a question of either or,” McCaul said. “We’re a great country. We can secure our border and protect freedom and democracy around the world, which is what Ukraine is all about.”

    With opponents of Ukraine spending warning of fraud and corruption, the House Armed Services Committee is planning to hold monthly classified briefings for lawmakers to detail, dollar by dollar, how the U.S. security aid is being allocated.

    The briefings will be every two weeks for key staff, said Armed Services Chairman Mike Rogers of Alabama, and a public hearing is in the works “to try to get more visibility for the public into the tracking that we’re doing.”

    One of the challenges in ensuring accountability is the sheer number of activities that U.S. dollars are supporting.

    U.S. dollars not only go to Stinger missiles to take out Russian aircraft, Javelin missiles to take out tanks, but also for food, water and shelter for refugees whose homes have been destroyed. The money also supports basic government services, such as medical care, firefighting and utilities.

    The inspectors general for the Defense and State departments and the U.S. Agency for International Development are the lead offices tracking Ukraine spending. Rogers said he is encouraging NATO to bring in a third party to track U.S. weapons to assure the public they don’t end up in the wrong hands.

    “We know it’s going to where it is supposed to, but how we know is classified,” Rogers said. “We’ve got to find a way to let the world know from somebody that they have confidence in."

    Recent polling from Gallup found that about two-thirds of Americans support aid for Ukraine to help it regain its territory, even if it means a prolonged conflict. But that support varied depending upon political party. Nearly half of Republicans, or 47%, say the U.S. is doing too much compared with 35% of independents and just 10% of Democrats.

    In the Senate, Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky has consistently pressed the Biden administration for more robust action to help Ukraine win the war. He wore a bright blue and yellow tie to the State of the Union address last week — the colors of Ukraine’s flag — to trumpet his support.

    The ranking Republican on the Senate's Armed Services panel, Sen. Roger Wicker of Mississippi, is using the bully pulpit as well. He spoke at length on the Senate floor about Ukraine and followed up with an op-ed in the National Review, a conservative outlet.

    “It is a relatively modest amount that we are contributing without being asked to risk life and limb,” Wicker told the AP. “The Ukrainians are willing to fight the fight for us if the West will give them the provisions. It’s a pretty good deal.”

    "And what we’ve done is expose Russia’s very soft, vulnerable underbelly and we’ve made it less likely that any of our NATO allies will be attacked.”

    But there are skeptics in the Senate, too. Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., said China is the U.S.’s top foreign adversary and that’s where Congress should be focusing its attention.

    “We need to tell our European friends they need to carry the burden of the conventional defense in Ukraine,” Hawley said.

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    Congressional correspondent Lisa Mascaro contributed to this report.


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  • mickeyrat
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    North Carolina GOP again seeking to ease gun restrictions
    By HANNAH SCHOENBAUM
    2 hours ago

    RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Both chambers of North Carolina's General Assembly are once again advancing previously vetoed gun legislation in light of Republicans' midterm election gains that landed them within one seat of a veto-proof supermajority.

    A bill that advanced Tuesday through the Senate Judiciary Committee combines several measures already vetoed by the governor. Those would ease requirements to purchase handguns and allow people to carry concealed firearms in more locations, including some schools that are based in houses of worship. Standalone companion bills also advanced Tuesday through a House judiciary committee.

    The House and Senate versions could head to the floor for votes later this week.

    Senate Republicans have lumped in a bipartisan provision to launch and fund a two-year education campaign on the safe storage of firearms, which would also distribute free gun locks. The move will force Democratic supporters of safe storage to support all three provisions or reject the initiative.

    One proposed measure, which has generated the most backlash from gun-control advocates, would do away with the permit someone must obtain from a county sheriff before purchasing a pistol. State law currently directs county sheriffs to evaluate applicants and ensure the gun will be use for lawful purposes.

    Sen. Danny Britt, a Robeson County Republican and one of the bill’s primary sponsors, called it a “common sense” measure that would remove what he considers an arbitrary requirement.

    Many buyers would still undergo mandatory national background checks, which bill sponsors argue are comprehensive enough to remove the additional state requirement. However, a national background check is not mandatory for private gun sales, which only require North Carolina buyers to obtain a sheriff-issued permit, or face a misdemeanor charge.

    While the North Carolina Sheriffs’ Association supports repealing the requirement, its current president, Orange County Sheriff Charles Blackwood, does not.

    Eddie Caldwell, the association’s executive vice president, said many sheriffs have found that the criminal history data available locally is now about the same as what’s available through the national system.

    Several Democrats, including Sens. Natasha Marcus and Mujtaba Mohammed of Mecklenburg County, raised concerns at a committee meeting Tuesday that the bill would create a loophole that could enable criminals and people with mental illnesses to obtain firearms.

    Britt responded that people who plan to commit crimes are likely not acquiring the required permits anyway.

    “The criminal is not going to go to the sheriff and ask for it before he goes and commits the crime,” the senator said, adding that the bill would streamline the process for law-abiding gun buyers.

    The law, he said, was first used during the Jim Crow era to prevent Black people from obtaining weapons. But Marcus Bass of the North Carolina Black Alliance told a House committee that the requirement is not duplicative or racially discriminatory and is an important safeguard against gun violence and suicides.

    Stormy Ingold, the mother of a young adult son with bipolar disorder, told senators that North Carolina's pistol permit requirement is the only thing that has blocked him from purchasing a handgun in the state.

    Her son passes the national background check, she said, but does not pass the more thorough mental health assessment required to obtain a permit from their local sheriff's office.

    “I thank God for that requirement,” she said after a committee meeting. “If he buys a gun and hurts himself, that's blood on their hands.”

    Another proposed measure — its own bill in the House and a component of the Senate package — would allow people with a concealed weapons permit to carry a gun openly or under clothing while they attend religious services at a location where private schools or charter schools also meet.

    The proposal would not allow firearms during school hours or when any students are present. State law otherwise prohibits guns on school property.

    While critics warned the proposal could endanger teachers and children, supporters such as the Rev. Ron Baity, a Winston-Salem pastor whose church is attached to a Christian school, said it would level the playing field for hundreds more North Carolina churches to protect their congregants.

    “These bills are mischaracterized as being about schools,” said Sen. Jim Perry, a Lenoir County Republican and bill sponsor. “This is about a church and having the ability to enjoy equal protection.”

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    Hannah Schoenbaum is a corps member for the Associated Press/Report for America Statehouse News Initiative. Report for America is a nonprofit national service program that places journalists in local newsrooms to report on undercovered issues.


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  • Did anyone post about Trump wanting to bring back firing squads?
  • mrussel1
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    "Meatball Ron". What do you guys think? Does that work? Has Trump settled on it?
  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    "Meatball Ron". What do you guys think? Does that work? Has Trump settled on it?
    I liked DeSantimonious better but too many of his supporters probably don't understand what it means.  
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mrussel1 said:
    "Meatball Ron". What do you guys think? Does that work? Has Trump settled on it?
    I liked DeSantimonious better but too many of his supporters probably don't understand what it means.  
    Way too many syllables 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,642
    I’m surprised he hasn’t named him Back stabbing Ron yet! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,122
    edited February 2023
    in south dakota the gop led congress just passed a law requiring trans kids to de-transition. 

    edit because i forgot to add link...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-dakota-passes-first-law-200000769.html
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    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,192
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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