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  • I look forward to Deathsantis tanking the economy by giving unfunded tax breaks to billionaires like Elongitaint. Can’t wait.
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    As Musk is learning, content moderation is a messy job
    By DAVID KLEPPER and MATT O'BRIEN
    Today

    Now that he’s back on Twitter, neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin wants somebody to explain the rules.

    Anglin, the founder of an infamous neo-Nazi website, was reinstated Thursday, one of many previously banned users to benefit from an amnesty granted by Twitter's new owner Elon Musk. The next day, Musk banished Ye, the rapper formerly known as Kanye West, after he posted a swastika with a Star of David in it.

    “That's cool," Anglin tweeted Friday. “I mean, whatever the rules are, people will follow them. We just need to know what the rules are.”

    Ask Musk. Since the world’s richest man paid $44 billion for Twitter, the platform has struggled to define its rules for misinformation and hate speech, issued conflicting and contradictory announcements, and failed to full address what researchers say is a troubling rise in hate speech.

    As the “ chief twit ” may be learning, running a global platform with nearly 240 million active daily users requires more than good algorithms and often demands imperfect solutions to messy situations — tough choices that must ultimately be made by a human and are sure to displease someone.

    A self-described free speech absolutistMusk has said he wants to make Twitter a global digital town square. But he also said he wouldn't make major decisions about content or about restoring banned accounts before setting up a “ content moderation council ” with diverse viewpoints.

    He soon changed his mind after polling users on Twitter, and offered reinstatement to a long list of formerly banned users including ex-President Donald Trump, Ye, the satire site The Babylon Bee, the comedian Kathy Griffin and Anglin, the neo-Nazi.

    And while Musk's own tweets suggested he would allow all legal content on the platform, Ye's banishment shows that's not entirely the case. The swastika image posted by the rapper falls in the “lawful but awful” category that often bedevils content moderators, according to Eric Goldman, a technology law expert and professor at Santa Clara University law school.

    While Europe has imposed rules requiring social media platforms to create policies on misinformation and hate speech, Goldman noted that in the U.S. at least, loose regulations allow Musk to run Twitter as he sees fit, despite his inconsistent approach.

    “What Musk is doing with Twitter is completely permissible under U.S. law,” Goldman said.

    Pressure from the EU may force Musk to lay out his policies to ensure he is complying with the new law, which takes effect next year. Last month, a senior EU official warned Musk that Twitter would have to improve its efforts to combat hate speech and misinformation; failure to comply could lead to huge fines.

    In another confusing move, Twitter announced in late November that it would end its policy prohibiting COVID-19 misinformation. Days later, it posted an update claiming that “None of our policies have changed.”

    On Friday, Musk revealed what he said was the inside story of Twitter's decision in 2020 to limit the spread of a New York Post story about Hunter Biden's laptop.

    Twitter initially blocked links to the story on its platform, citing concerns that it contained material obtained through computer hacking. That decision was reversed after it was criticized by then-Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey. Facebook also took actions to limit the story's spread.

    The information revealed by Musk included Twitter's decision to delete a handful of tweets after receiving a request from Joe Biden's campaign. The tweets included nude photos of Hunter Biden that had been shared without his consent — a violation of Twitter's rules against revenge porn.

    Instead of revealing nefarious conduct or collusion with Democrats, Musk's revelation highlighted the kind of difficult content moderation decisions that he will now face.

    “Impossible, messy and squishy decisions” are unavoidable, according to Yoel Roth, Twitter's former head of trust and safety who resigned a few weeks into Musk's ownership.

    While far from perfect, the old Twitter strove to be transparent with users and steady in enforcing its rules, Roth said. That changed under Musk, he told a Knight Foundation forum this week.

    “When push came to shove, when you buy a $44 billion thing, you get to have the final say in how that $44 billion thing is governed,” Roth said.

    While much of the attention has been on Twitter’s moves in the U.S., the cutbacks of content-moderation workers is affecting other parts of the world too, according to activists with the #StopToxicTwitter campaign.

    “We’re not talking about people not having resilience to hear things that hurt feelings,” said Thenmozhi Soundararajan, executive director of Equality Labs, which works to combat caste-based discrimination in South Asia. “We are talking about the prevention of dangerous genocidal hate speech that can lead to mass atrocities.”

    Soundararajan's organization sits on Twitter’s Trust and Safety Council, which hasn’t met since Musk took over. She said “millions of Indians are terrified about who is going to get reinstated,” and the company has stopped responding to the group’s concerns.

    “So what happens if there’s another call for violence? Like, do I have to tag Elon Musk and hope that he’s going to address the pogrom?” Soundararajan said.

    Instances of hate speech and racial epithets soared on Twitter after Musk's purchase as some users sought to test the new owner's limits. The number of tweets containing hateful terms continues to rise, according to a report published Friday by the Center for Countering Digital Hate, a group that tracks online hate and extremism.

    Musk has said Twitter has reduced the spread of tweets containing hate speech, making them harder to find unless a user searches for them. But that failed to satisfy the center's CEO, Imran Ahmed, who called the rise in hate speech a “clear failure to meet his own self-proclaimed standards."

    Immediately after Musk’s takeover and the firing of much of Twitter’s staff, researchers who previously had flagged harmful hate speech or misinformation to the platform reported that their pleas were going unanswered.

    Jesse Littlewood, vice president for campaigns at Common Cause, said his group reached out to Twitter last week about a tweet from U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene that alleged election fraud in Arizona. Musk had reinstated Greene's personal account after she was kicked off Twitter for spreading COVID-19 misinformation.

    This time, Twitter was quick to respond, telling Common Cause that the tweet didn't violate any rules and would stay up — even though Twitter requires the labeling or removal of content that spreads false or misleading claims about election results.

    Twitter gave Littlewood no explanation for why it wasn’t following its own rules.

    “I find that pretty confounding,” Littlewood said.

    Twitter did not respond to messages seeking comment for this story. Musk has defended the platform's sometimes herky-jerky moves since he took over, and said mistakes will happen as it evolves. “We will do lots of dumb things," he tweeted.

    To Musk’s many online fans, the disarray is a feature, not a bug, of the site under its new ownership, and a reflection of the free speech mecca they hope Twitter will be.

    “I love Elon Twitter so far," tweeted a user who goes by the name Some Dude. “The chaos is glorious!”


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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,141
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    Linda, if you have time from working your land, can you tell me where you think it went wrong for the magarepubs again this year?  
    Sure, they didn’t jump ship on the Orangeman and  get on the Desantis train….  I feel if that guy runs and gets the Republican nomination he wins in impressive fashion. he is young, handsome, beautiful family, sharp, and a veteran.  
    I think It would be wise for The shit-4-brain President handlers to advise him to get off the MAGA Republican’s comments…the majority of conservative leaning people aren’t them. 
    Mahalo 
    What caused you to jump off the Trump train? Was it the unsuccessful coup....or just the fact he just keeps losing elections?

    Given the last couple elections, it seems like "shit-4-brain's" (classy) political intuition might be a tad better than yours. lol

    And what do you think Trump was doing with all those top secret documents in Mara lago?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,587
    Linda, if you have time from working your land, can you tell me where you think it went wrong for the magarepubs again this year?  
    Sure, they didn’t jump ship on the Orangeman and  get on the Desantis train….  I feel if that guy runs and gets the Republican nomination he wins in impressive fashion. he is young, handsome, beautiful family, sharp, and a veteran.  
    I think It would be wise for The shit-4-brain President handlers to advise him to get off the MAGA Republican’s comments…the majority of conservative leaning people aren’t them. 
    Mahalo 
    The majority of republicans want Trump to run again. And Desantis is smug, passive aggressive, manipulative, and full on legislates via culture war, so he’s perfect for republicans
    You forgot to say to add WINNER to your list….
    just like the 5 team parlay The OSU Beavers completed last week to win a cool 25k for my man over the Ducks.  What a 4th qtr and game!!! 

    That was a crazy game and such a great win. Quickly went from accepting another L to thinking they could win.
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    lol It's almost as if you can't take him on his word.

    I'll never understand his fan boys, the guy couldn't be any more of a disingenuous creep.  
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    oh it is, but it has never been free from consequence.

    hope he loses his fucking shirt over his juvenile shit.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    How does Prosecute live with Fauciself?
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    I thought they were robot/android?
    The worst of times..they don't phase me,
    even if I look and act really crazy.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,129
    his pronouns are troll and dipshit.

    i'm so glad i muted him so i do not have to see that juvenile shit clogging up my feed.
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  • More hilarious is Elongitaint yanking the espresso machines out of headquarters. Take that you twatter minions!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,410
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    More hilarious is Elongitaint yanking the espresso machines out of headquarters. Take that you twatter minions!

    how are they supposed to work for 20 hrs a day without being juiced?
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,386
    edited December 2022

    Chappelle had Elon out on the stage with him at his show in SF last night. Maybe I didn't watch enough video of it, but the point was lost on me...  it all seemed more awkward than funny. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    Elon Musk on twitter is freakin annoying...

    The ego on that guy 
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    Elon Musk on twitter is freakin annoying...

    The ego on that guy 
    He's just like tRump. Fucking narcissist.


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    Elon Musk takes the stage, amid boos, at Chappelle's show
    By HAVEN DALEY
    46 mins ago

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Dave Chappelle asked the crowd at his comedy show to “make some noise for the world’s richest man.”

    They did. Lots of booing.

    It was a rather uncomfortable appearance for Elon Musk, Twitter's new owner, at Chappelle’s show with Chris Rock on Sunday night at the Chase Center in San Francisco. At the end of the show, Chappelle was talking about the need to get along and communicate with people with different viewpoints and perspectives.

    He invited Musk onstage. The billionaire obliged, wearing an “I Love Twitter” T-shirt. Loud boos filled the arena – along with some cheers, too.

    Chappelle joked to Musk: “Sounds like some of those people you fired.” As the boos continued to ring out, the comic pointed out that “All you people booing, and I’m just pointing out the obvious — are in terrible seats.”

    Twitter is going through massive changes since Musk took over the social media platform, with the first few weeks of tenure seeing widespread layoffs and the restoration of several blocked accounts, including those of former president Donald Trump and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene.

    The other performers from the night, including Rock, Donnell Rawlings from “Chappelle’s Show” and the hip hop group Black Star, came up on stage to say goodnight, while Musk also remained on stage. Chappelle asked Musk to repeat Rawlings’ catch phrase from their classic show – “I’m rich b—-” Rawlings went first, and then Musk complied.

    That’s when Chappelle asked the crowd not to boo Musk as he needs him to open up the first comedy club on Mars. He also asked Musk if he could help Black Star’s Talib Kweli, who Chappelle said had been banned from Twitter.

    Musk, who bought Twitter for $44 billion in October, responded by saying: “Twitter customer service here.”

    He stayed onstage and shook hands with many of the performers. Attendees had been required to lock up their phones during the show, but a few videos of the encounter made their way online.


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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,141
    Is anyone else's twitter feed cluttered with a constant barrage of ads now? It's like every 3-5 tweets are followed by a huge ad. Even the replies to tweets are littered with ads. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,129
    Is anyone else's twitter feed cluttered with a constant barrage of ads now? It's like every 3-5 tweets are followed by a huge ad. Even the replies to tweets are littered with ads. 
    gotta make back that 44 billion somehow.
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  • Is anyone else's twitter feed cluttered with a constant barrage of ads now? It's like every 3-5 tweets are followed by a huge ad. Even the replies to tweets are littered with ads. 
    Which products and services are being advertised? Maybe I'll email them and tell them I'm boycotting their product/service for supporting a douchebag? Does anyone buy a product or service because they saw it on Twatter?
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    Is anyone else's twitter feed cluttered with a constant barrage of ads now? It's like every 3-5 tweets are followed by a huge ad. Even the replies to tweets are littered with ads. 
    Which products and services are being advertised? Maybe I'll email them and tell them I'm boycotting their product/service for supporting a douchebag? Does anyone buy a product or service because they saw it on Twatter?
    that is how they track you with them cookies, bro.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,814
    Is anyone else's twitter feed cluttered with a constant barrage of ads now? It's like every 3-5 tweets are followed by a huge ad. Even the replies to tweets are littered with ads. 
    I haven't really noticed it. I feel like my feed's about 10% more MAGA but that's about it (and probably due to some people leaving and some MAGA coming back).

    Also, there's about 1000% more talk about Twitter than there used to be, which is getting old.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,410
    not on there much at all but I am seeing more posts from folks I dont follow than folks I do follow.
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    I've blocked over a hundred ads in the last month or so. But they keep coming. Relentless sons of bitches!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,410
    op-ed gift article....


     Opinion | Musk’s ugly attack on Fauci shows how right-wing info warfare works

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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    edited December 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    op-ed gift article....


     Opinion | Musk’s ugly attack on Fauci shows how right-wing info warfare works

    Every time I read an article where John Brennan criticizes anyone I think to myself fuck that guy and his drone program, defense of torture, spying and lying.  Fuck Elon too of course but couldn't they have cited someone better than John Brennan for lecturing someone about class?

    Good read otherwise.  Thanks for the share
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,129
    i believe that musk's inevitable fall from grace will make howard hughes' descent look like a cakewalk.
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  • HobbesHobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,377
    Any mention as to the reason Chappelle invited Musk onstage? Was it a transphobic communion? Is Chappelle going the way of Kanye? I mean, during his SNL monologue he didn't exactly denounce Kanye. The criticism was that Kanye spoke about it openly. Are we a day or two away from Chappelle appearing with Alex Jones?
  • Hobbes said:
    Any mention as to the reason Chappelle invited Musk onstage? Was it a transphobic communion? Is Chappelle going the way of Kanye? I mean, during his SNL monologue he didn't exactly denounce Kanye. The criticism was that Kanye spoke about it openly. Are we a day or two away from Chappelle appearing with Alex Jones?

    To own the libs? I genuinely can't think of any other reason. 


    It was fun hearing Chappelle suggest the people booing Musk must have been employees he fired. Then he suggested the boos were coming from the cheap seats (AKA poor people). Then he finally told his crowd to shut the fuck up. 

    What a fucking asshole. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    i believe that musk's inevitable fall from grace will make howard hughes' descent look like a cakewalk.
    I agree with you.  Hubris like he is showing always invites karma.  And every time the right wing goes all chips in on someone, it blows up in their face.  
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