#46 President Joe Biden

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,819
    cincybearcat said:
    To get this back on the topic of a Biden....how about Jill's shoes for her trip to the disaster area?  ;)
    Ah, yes. On to more important things... in the interest of thread integrity, of course. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    Merkin Baller said:
    cincybearcat said:
    To get this back on the topic of a Biden....how about Jill's shoes for her trip to the disaster area?  ;)
    Ah, yes. On to more important things... in the interest of thread integrity, of course. 
    An old feeble minded person thinks we can do it. That’s got to be proof he’s lost it. Right?

    you’ve got to be nuts to believe we are capable 

    there’s the Biden connection 😂
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,389
    cincybearcat said:
    To get this back on the topic of a Biden....how about Jill's shoes for her trip to the disaster area?  ;)
    I preferred Deathsantis’ boots. Both fetching and confidence inspiring.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,834
    Merkin Baller said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The NY State Thruway is on a 5 year $450 million plan to renovate all of its 24 hour rest stops along its 570 miles. Guess what that includes? Yup, rapid charging stations. Hook up your car, swipe your credit card or Apple Pay, go get a meal for 45 minutes to an hour and off you go.

    No way this will work in ten years and what about those people who only use cash?
    All these what ifs and it’s impossible are kind of silly considering we will  run out of oil that’s a fact. Then what? We are really screwed if it’s impossible 


    If we ran out of oil tomorrow, no way it takes even 3 years.  We can do it. We choose not to or to not do it quickly.

    Should we really wait until that happens. Or until it’s so scarce it’s prohibitively expensive? Or until climate change accelerates to the point that we have even bigger concerns.

    doing nothing isn’t really acceptable 


    Nope. Nothing's going to work so don't bother trying. 
    No one said that. Just saying lets get the infrastructure first before we make laws requiring it. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited October 2022
    mace1229 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The NY State Thruway is on a 5 year $450 million plan to renovate all of its 24 hour rest stops along its 570 miles. Guess what that includes? Yup, rapid charging stations. Hook up your car, swipe your credit card or Apple Pay, go get a meal for 45 minutes to an hour and off you go.

    No way this will work in ten years and what about those people who only use cash?
    All these what ifs and it’s impossible are kind of silly considering we will  run out of oil that’s a fact. Then what? We are really screwed if it’s impossible 


    If we ran out of oil tomorrow, no way it takes even 3 years.  We can do it. We choose not to or to not do it quickly.

    Should we really wait until that happens. Or until it’s so scarce it’s prohibitively expensive? Or until climate change accelerates to the point that we have even bigger concerns.

    doing nothing isn’t really acceptable 


    Nope. Nothing's going to work so don't bother trying. 
    No one said that. Just saying let’s get the infrastructure first before we make laws requiring it. 
    They aren’t requiring it. You don’t have to own an electric vehicle 

    all new car sales only. Not used, not new cars bought elsewhere 

    if you aren’t buying a brand new car (current average sticker price for all new purchases regardless of engine is 50k) it doesn’t affect you one bit.  You are still free to buy whatever used car you wish. 

     If you are going to drop 50k on something new at your local dealership, it has to be electric … in 10 years 

    It’s literally the definition  of a phase in
    / phase out approach, it’s not a hard stop on gasoline.  Gas engines even in the most aggressive situation will still be lingering for decades perfectly legally 
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,819
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The NY State Thruway is on a 5 year $450 million plan to renovate all of its 24 hour rest stops along its 570 miles. Guess what that includes? Yup, rapid charging stations. Hook up your car, swipe your credit card or Apple Pay, go get a meal for 45 minutes to an hour and off you go.

    No way this will work in ten years and what about those people who only use cash?
    All these what ifs and it’s impossible are kind of silly considering we will  run out of oil that’s a fact. Then what? We are really screwed if it’s impossible 


    If we ran out of oil tomorrow, no way it takes even 3 years.  We can do it. We choose not to or to not do it quickly.

    Should we really wait until that happens. Or until it’s so scarce it’s prohibitively expensive? Or until climate change accelerates to the point that we have even bigger concerns.

    doing nothing isn’t really acceptable 


    Nope. Nothing's going to work so don't bother trying. 
    No one said that. Just saying let’s get the infrastructure first before we make laws requiring it. 
    They aren’t requiring it.

    all new car sales only. Not used, not new cars bought elsewhere 

    if you aren’t buying a brand new car (current average sticker price for all new purchases regardless of engine is 50k) it doesn’t affect you one bit.  You are still free to buy whatever used car you wish. 

     If you are going to drop 50k on something new at your local dealership, it has to be electric … in 10 years 
    This.

    JFC, it's not like these requirements are going into effect this year. 
  • The Juggler
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    You just love to see that American Can't Do it Spirit. 

    amirite?
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  • Merkin Baller
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    You rubes. 

    Didn't you all know climate change is a hoax?

    Dark Brandon strikes again. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,538
    man, the condescension with dissenting opinions is off the fucking charts these days. 

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,843
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    To get this back on the topic of a Biden....how about Jill's shoes for her trip to the disaster area?  ;)
    I preferred Deathsantis’ boots. Both fetching and confidence inspiring.
    Thread integrity please.


    And of course I'm joking, but my huge Dem friend sent me a picture with a WTF....a Melania moment for Jill.  

    hippiemom = goodness
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,834
    edited October 2022
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The NY State Thruway is on a 5 year $450 million plan to renovate all of its 24 hour rest stops along its 570 miles. Guess what that includes? Yup, rapid charging stations. Hook up your car, swipe your credit card or Apple Pay, go get a meal for 45 minutes to an hour and off you go.

    No way this will work in ten years and what about those people who only use cash?
    All these what ifs and it’s impossible are kind of silly considering we will  run out of oil that’s a fact. Then what? We are really screwed if it’s impossible 


    If we ran out of oil tomorrow, no way it takes even 3 years.  We can do it. We choose not to or to not do it quickly.

    Should we really wait until that happens. Or until it’s so scarce it’s prohibitively expensive? Or until climate change accelerates to the point that we have even bigger concerns.

    doing nothing isn’t really acceptable 


    Nope. Nothing's going to work so don't bother trying. 
    No one said that. Just saying let’s get the infrastructure first before we make laws requiring it. 
    They aren’t requiring it. You don’t have to own an electric vehicle 

    all new car sales only. Not used, not new cars bought elsewhere 

    if you aren’t buying a brand new car (current average sticker price for all new purchases regardless of engine is 50k) it doesn’t affect you one bit.  You are still free to buy whatever used car you wish. 

     If you are going to drop 50k on something new at your local dealership, it has to be electric … in 10 years 

    It’s literally the definition  of a phase in
    / phase out approach, it’s not a hard stop on gasoline.  Gas engines even in the most aggressive situation will still be lingering for decades perfectly legally 
    Is this law not meant to reduce the number of gas cars on the road, and increase EV? Will the number of EV not drastically increase? If not, then what is the point of this law?
    Will not the price of used gas cars go way up? Having to travel to another state to buy a new car? It will definitely effect everyone living gin California. 
    And I'm not even saying lets not build the infrastructure. Just that it doesn't makes sense to create a ban on new cars this far out and without the proper infratrastzure. 
    Seems to make a lot more sense to me to create that infrastructure now, reassess in 5 or 10 years where we are, and if we can handle it, then make that change. Just seems to be going about this backwards.
  • The Juggler
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    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    To get this back on the topic of a Biden....how about Jill's shoes for her trip to the disaster area?  ;)
    I preferred Deathsantis’ boots. Both fetching and confidence inspiring.
    Thread integrity please.


    And of course I'm joking, but my huge Dem friend sent me a picture with a WTF....a Melania moment for Jill.  

    I don't see what your friend's weight has to do with any of this...
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,538
    LMAO
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,538
    I googled "jill biden shoes" and came across a website called footwearnews.com. jesus mother murphy. a website dedicated to FOOTWEAR NEWS?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,843
    So - i kinda was under the impression that balance was the best thing for the environment.  So why the push for all electric?  And why mandatory by the government?  Tough to favor a business in such a way....

    I haven't look at this in a while.  I know that for me, when I bought a new car the end of 2020...just a small sedan...not a big SUV...I looked at some EV and decided against it due to 1) Long haul travel (I don;t do a ton of it, but when I do I try not to stop much...the charging time and mileage was a killer) 2) Cost - it was more expensive then at least 3) Less so, but some concern about paying for a charger setup at my house...added cost.

    I can easily be on board though should the infrastructure get into place, should the mileage per charge increase a couple hundred miles and the cost are reasonable.  I had initially thought I would be buying electric in 2020 time frame.  And I full expect it to be a major player for me in 2026-2028.


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  • Gern Blansten
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    I have heard too many problems with the Teslas. I'm sure they are nice cars and must be pretty reliable but I'm not going that route yet.

    I drive a 2009 Ford Expedition that only has 109K miles on it. That should at least last me a few more years. I have a 14 mile round trip which is about the extent of its use anymore. It used to be the family truckster but we are almost empty nesters now.

    I had a neighbor get a Tesla and within a month or so there was some problem with the battery that she had to deal with. My next door neighbor has one and has no complaints that I know of.
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  • Cropduster-80
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    edited October 2022
    cincybearcat said:
    So - i kinda was under the impression that balance was the best thing for the environment.  So why the push for all electric?  And why mandatory by the government?  Tough to favor a business in such a way....

    I haven't look at this in a while.  I know that for me, when I bought a new car the end of 2020...just a small sedan...not a big SUV...I looked at some EV and decided against it due to 1) Long haul travel (I don;t do a ton of it, but when I do I try not to stop much...the charging time and mileage was a killer) 2) Cost - it was more expensive then at least 3) Less so, but some concern about paying for a charger setup at my house...added cost.

    I can easily be on board though should the infrastructure get into place, should the mileage per charge increase a couple hundred miles and the cost are reasonable.  I had initially thought I would be buying electric in 2020 time frame.  And I full expect it to be a major player for me in 2026-2028.


    Don’t you have to do two things at once? You need to improve infrastructure and increase purchases of electricic vehicles at the same time.

    you are scaling both up as market penetration increases.  If anything a law signals the support for that infrastructure to keep moving. 

    no mandates means no push. There are a lot of things that need to happen.  Electric vehicle companies are supplying cars not the charging network.  If they know there is an infrastructure and a push to get people in those cars, then they can confidently increase production.  

    An EV relies on utilising a public utility network so it’s automatically a private/public endeavour and I would think the government needs to be involved. If everyone bought an EV today the grid would crash. That needs to be sorted and not by the car manufacturer 

    people can’t agree on anything, it’s like herding cats. If anything the government is giving us a direction rather than everyone running around scattershot.  

    We got 16 years to figure out how to change all our lightbulbs so 10 years does seem scary. I get that 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited October 2022
    Gern Blansten said:
    I have heard too many problems with the Teslas. I'm sure they are nice cars and must be pretty reliable but I'm not going that route yet.

    I drive a 2009 Ford Expedition that only has 109K miles on it. That should at least last me a few more years. I have a 14 mile round trip which is about the extent of its use anymore. It used to be the family truckster but we are almost empty nesters now.

    I had a neighbor get a Tesla and within a month or so there was some problem with the battery that she had to deal with. My next door neighbor has one and has no complaints that I know of.
    My neighbour two doors down has a Tesla. They love it.

    apparently most servicing is simply a over the air firmware update. There is shockingly little parts that can break as far as “engines” go.  All the other electronics, no idea 

    I hate Elon so getting one would be hard. I think the Ford lightning has a lot of potential. I’m not a truck guy though 

    once you get enough batteries for range their towing capacity exceeds gas vehicles I think. It’s instant torque 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • cincybearcat
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    The Juggler said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    To get this back on the topic of a Biden....how about Jill's shoes for her trip to the disaster area?  ;)
    I preferred Deathsantis’ boots. Both fetching and confidence inspiring.
    Thread integrity please.


    And of course I'm joking, but my huge Dem friend sent me a picture with a WTF....a Melania moment for Jill.  

    I don't see what your friend's weight has to do with any of this...
    Hahahaha!!!
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,843
    Cropduster-80 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    So - i kinda was under the impression that balance was the best thing for the environment.  So why the push for all electric?  And why mandatory by the government?  Tough to favor a business in such a way....

    I haven't look at this in a while.  I know that for me, when I bought a new car the end of 2020...just a small sedan...not a big SUV...I looked at some EV and decided against it due to 1) Long haul travel (I don;t do a ton of it, but when I do I try not to stop much...the charging time and mileage was a killer) 2) Cost - it was more expensive then at least 3) Less so, but some concern about paying for a charger setup at my house...added cost.

    I can easily be on board though should the infrastructure get into place, should the mileage per charge increase a couple hundred miles and the cost are reasonable.  I had initially thought I would be buying electric in 2020 time frame.  And I full expect it to be a major player for me in 2026-2028.


    Don’t you have to do two things at once? You need to improve infrastructure and increase purchases of electricic vehicles at the same time.

    you are scaling both up as market penetration increases.  If anything a law signals the support for that infrastructure to keep moving. 

    no mandates means no push. There are a lot of things that need to happen.  Electric vehicle companies are supplying cars not the charging network.  If they know there is an infrastructure and a push to get people in those cars, then they can confidently increase production.  

    An EV relies on utilising a public utility network so it’s automatically a private/public endeavour and I would think the government needs to be involved. If everyone bought an EV today the grid would crash. That needs to be sorted and not by the car manufacturer 

    people can’t agree on anything, it’s like herding cats. If anything the government is giving us a direction rather than everyone running around scattershot.  

    We got 16 years to figure out how to change all our lightbulbs so 10 years does seem scary. I get that 
    Who's scared?  
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