2022 Tour - tuned down song experiments - which ones worked, which ones not as much?

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  • ddeschler
    ddeschler Posts: 690
    To me, the tempo changes are much more noticeable than the key changes.  And tempo changes the dynamics of a song much more.
    I've seen quite a few Pearl Jam shows.
  • ForceofNature101
    ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,295

    2-feign-reluctance said:
    The bootlegs sound fucking amazing. Let’s talk more after you’ve listened to what they’ve released this year so far. I bet you won’t fuss over some minor key changes after doing so! 

    As shown via my little first disaimer, not fussing just discussing out of interest :)
  • ForceofNature101
    ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,295
    edited September 2022
    Merkin Baller said:
    foriginalsin said:
    Its not fussing or complaining. Its fine if you don’t hear the difference, its just a music theory discussion. 
    & an interesting one at that. I didn't make it to any shows this year so I can't speak for Pearl Jam, but Tool has been playing the Pot in a different key live in recent years, and it does make a difference in how it sounds. 

    People do realize that they don't have to comment on every thread, right? Discussing something the band is doing differently doesn't automatically = bitching about it. 

    Good point on the Tool tune - they play it a full step down I believe (drop C) and it definitely has an altered vibe.  Not bad at all! Just different

    With Pearl Jam I think for me it was just a big contrast in audio because they were one of the few bands where a good 90 percent of the catalogue was still done in standard (or drop D) tuning so to me it is a big enough sonic change to stand out

    That being said I heard Ottawa's boot where everything is pretty much tuned down and a song like Porch during its middle solo rock-out section, sounds heavy as hell in Eb. 
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    ForceofNature101 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:
    The bootlegs sound fucking amazing. Let’s talk more after you’ve listened to what they’ve released this year so far. I bet you won’t fuss over some minor key changes after doing so! 

    As shown via my little first disaimer, not fussing just discussing out of interest :)
    Alrighty then! 
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  • foriginalsin
    foriginalsin Posts: 715
    Merkin Baller said:
    foriginalsin said:
    Its not fussing or complaining. Its fine if you don’t hear the difference, its just a music theory discussion. 
    & an interesting one at that. I didn't make it to any shows this year so I can't speak for Pearl Jam, but Tool has been playing the Pot in a different key live in recent years, and it does make a difference in how it sounds. 

    People do realize that they don't have to comment on every thread, right? Discussing something the band is doing differently doesn't automatically = bitching about it. 
    Great example. Tool has been doin that with the Pot.  Thats a dramatic one where its very apparent. 

    Also, i totally didnt care when i heard it live this year. Hes great, adam, danny, and justin are all great.  They fucking crushed it. 
  • OceansJenny
    OceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,411
    edited September 2022
    ddeschler said:
    To me, the tempo changes are much more noticeable than the key changes.  And tempo changes the dynamics of a song much more.
    Yes!! SOLAT is one of my favorite songs, and uptempo SOLAT is just not good. I also prefer slow Even Flow but don’t hate fast EF.

    Actually, the tempo change that’s been in effect for 15+ yrs might be for Ed’s voice too. He can’t hold those long notes anymore, so making the words faster resolves that. Ugh sad realization.

    Also if tuned down = heavier sound I’m into it. Now bring back the distortion for that good ol grungey sound. 😁
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  • mrk2
    mrk2 Finland Posts: 2,093
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnvcfbzb0Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73ypK3As8I
    Both in E standard tuning. What's the point here?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,667
    OceansJenny said:
    ddeschler said:
    To me, the tempo changes are much more noticeable than the key changes.  And tempo changes the dynamics of a song much more.
    Yes!! SOLAT is one of my favorite songs, and uptempo SOLAT is just not good. 
    https://youtu.be/4mfF-bkDAtY
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,798
    mrk2 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnvcfbzb0Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73ypK3As8I
    Both in E standard tuning. What's the point here?
    guy was saying that the tuning was most noticeable on Corduroy....I disagree and it seems like you do as well
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  • OceansJenny
    OceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,411
    edited September 2022
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    OceansJenny said:
    ddeschler said:
    To me, the tempo changes are much more noticeable than the key changes.  And tempo changes the dynamics of a song much more.
    Yes!! SOLAT is one of my favorite songs, and uptempo SOLAT is just not good. 
    https://youtu.be/4mfF-bkDAtY
    WAY too fast - are they in a rush?

    https://youtu.be/bPMjIn4RJug

    Had to cleanse my ears.

    Stone loves original tempo SOLAT. 😁
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  • mrk2
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    Gern Blansten said:
    mrk2 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnvcfbzb0Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73ypK3As8I
    Both in E standard tuning. What's the point here?
    guy was saying that the tuning was most noticeable on Corduroy....I disagree and it seems like you do as well
    Yes, definitely the same here.

    But now that I checked some further videos, it seems that they did actually play Corduroy in Eb tuning at the beginning of the tour. The first three shows. Toronto was back to E standard. 
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  • ForceofNature101
    ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,295
    edited September 2022
    Gern Blansten said:
    mrk2 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnvcfbzb0Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73ypK3As8I
    Both in E standard tuning. What's the point here?
    guy was saying that the tuning was most noticeable on Corduroy....I disagree and it seems like you do as well

    Corduroy was one of the tunes that was played in Eb post-Ed voice issues and quickly brought back to standard tuning thereafter, the one you posted was from when they brought it back to its original tuning after a few shows


    Here is the live version tuned down, let me know if this one is more of a contrast to you compared to the original

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  • AlaG
    AlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 979
    Think the downtuning on Betterman is wayy more noticeable than it is on Corduroy.
  • foriginalsin
    foriginalsin Posts: 715
    pmasonkc said:
    Mortality said:
    Overall, I think it's a really positive thing that they should stick to. Dissident is the only song that actually sounds worse tuned down. Release and Garden sound amazing. It was so nice to see Ed not struggling to hit the high notes in Release. Helps the performance so much. 
    This is absolutely my take too.  I play enough guitar to notice a slight difference but the only major difference I noticed was Dissident.  The opening riff by Mike just doesn't sound the same.

    I think Release actually sounds better, the lower key doesn't change much and Ed's vocals are so much stronger.


    This is very interesting.  Release and Garden sound great in both keys and I also agree Dissident loses some oomph tuned lower.

    I’m guessing the vocals and mikes lead are in the upper register so maybe that makes a difference? 

    Are release and garden written in a way that makes them easy to move around and change keys?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,219
    @ForceofNature101 great pickup my friend and I can definitely hear the difference!!  Good stuff.  
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  • ForceofNature101
    ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,295
    mcgruff10 said:
    @ForceofNature101 great pickup my friend and I can definitely hear the difference!!  Good stuff.  

    Thanks!  Yeah it definitely has a different vibe to it, not bad by any means!  But more... I guess for lack of a better term, menacing sounding?  Especially the intro and the outro solo
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    ForceofNature101 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @ForceofNature101 great pickup my friend and I can definitely hear the difference!!  Good stuff.  

    Thanks!  Yeah it definitely has a different vibe to it, not bad by any means!  But more... I guess for lack of a better term, menacing sounding?  Especially the intro and the outro solo
    Different vibe for sure. 

    I dig it. 
  • thomascbullock
    thomascbullock Posts: 431
    If they’re going to do Corduroy in Eb they should at least give us the bridge back as it should be easier to sing that way.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,798
    ForceofNature101 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mrk2 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnvcfbzb0Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73ypK3As8I
    Both in E standard tuning. What's the point here?
    guy was saying that the tuning was most noticeable on Corduroy....I disagree and it seems like you do as well

    Corduroy was one of the tunes that was played in Eb post-Ed voice issues and quickly brought back to standard tuning thereafter, the one you posted was from when they brought it back to its original tuning after a few shows


    Here is the live version tuned down, let me know if this one is more of a contrast to you compared to the original

    to me a 1/2 step is hardly noticeable....I honestly wouldn't be able to say for sure without playing them side by side
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  • Cornerstone2211
    Cornerstone2211 Posts: 86
    The only song I dislike down-tuned is Life Wasted. The rest I really like. 
    Breath at Hyde Park sounded heavier for it and I loved it.

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