2022 Tour - tuned down song experiments - which ones worked, which ones not as much?
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To me, the tempo changes are much more noticeable than the key changes. And tempo changes the dynamics of a song much more.
I've seen quite a few Pearl Jam shows.0 -
2-feign-reluctance said:The bootlegs sound fucking amazing. Let’s talk more after you’ve listened to what they’ve released this year so far. I bet you won’t fuss over some minor key changes after doing so!
As shown via my little first disaimer, not fussing just discussing out of interest
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Merkin Baller said:foriginalsin said:Its not fussing or complaining. Its fine if you don’t hear the difference, its just a music theory discussion.
People do realize that they don't have to comment on every thread, right? Discussing something the band is doing differently doesn't automatically = bitching about it.Good point on the Tool tune - they play it a full step down I believe (drop C) and it definitely has an altered vibe. Not bad at all! Just differentWith Pearl Jam I think for me it was just a big contrast in audio because they were one of the few bands where a good 90 percent of the catalogue was still done in standard (or drop D) tuning so to me it is a big enough sonic change to stand outThat being said I heard Ottawa's boot where everything is pretty much tuned down and a song like Porch during its middle solo rock-out section, sounds heavy as hell in Eb.0 -
ForceofNature101 said:2-feign-reluctance said:The bootlegs sound fucking amazing. Let’s talk more after you’ve listened to what they’ve released this year so far. I bet you won’t fuss over some minor key changes after doing so!
As shown via my little first disaimer, not fussing just discussing out of interestwww.cluthelee.com0 -
Merkin Baller said:foriginalsin said:Its not fussing or complaining. Its fine if you don’t hear the difference, its just a music theory discussion.
People do realize that they don't have to comment on every thread, right? Discussing something the band is doing differently doesn't automatically = bitching about it.Also, i totally didnt care when i heard it live this year. Hes great, adam, danny, and justin are all great. They fucking crushed it.0 -
ddeschler said:To me, the tempo changes are much more noticeable than the key changes. And tempo changes the dynamics of a song much more.
Actually, the tempo change that’s been in effect for 15+ yrs might be for Ed’s voice too. He can’t hold those long notes anymore, so making the words faster resolves that. Ugh sad realization.
Also if tuned down = heavier sound I’m into it. Now bring back the distortion for that good ol grungey sound. 😁
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OceansJenny said:ddeschler said:To me, the tempo changes are much more noticeable than the key changes. And tempo changes the dynamics of a song much more.
https://youtu.be/4mfF-bkDAtY
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mrk2 said:Gern Blansten said:Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Spiritual_Chaos said:OceansJenny said:ddeschler said:To me, the tempo changes are much more noticeable than the key changes. And tempo changes the dynamics of a song much more.
https://youtu.be/4mfF-bkDAtY
https://youtu.be/bPMjIn4RJug
Had to cleanse my ears.
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Gern Blansten said:mrk2 said:Gern Blansten said:
But now that I checked some further videos, it seems that they did actually play Corduroy in Eb tuning at the beginning of the tour. The first three shows. Toronto was back to E standard.225xxx - 6/28/00, 10/20/01, 10/22/01, 9/11/06, 9/22/06, 9/23/06, 6/18/07, 6/26/07, 8/15/09, 6/25/10, 6/30/10, 7/4/12, 7/5/12, 7/7/12, 7/10/12, 6/26/14, 6/28/14, 7/3/18, 7/5/180 -
Gern Blansten said:mrk2 said:Gern Blansten said:Corduroy was one of the tunes that was played in Eb post-Ed voice issues and quickly brought back to standard tuning thereafter, the one you posted was from when they brought it back to its original tuning after a few showsHere is the live version tuned down, let me know if this one is more of a contrast to you compared to the original
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Think the downtuning on Betterman is wayy more noticeable than it is on Corduroy.0
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pmasonkc said:Mortality said:Overall, I think it's a really positive thing that they should stick to. Dissident is the only song that actually sounds worse tuned down. Release and Garden sound amazing. It was so nice to see Ed not struggling to hit the high notes in Release. Helps the performance so much.
I think Release actually sounds better, the lower key doesn't change much and Ed's vocals are so much stronger.I’m guessing the vocals and mikes lead are in the upper register so maybe that makes a difference?Are release and garden written in a way that makes them easy to move around and change keys?0 -
@ForceofNature101 great pickup my friend and I can definitely hear the difference!! Good stuff.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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mcgruff10 said:@ForceofNature101 great pickup my friend and I can definitely hear the difference!! Good stuff.
Thanks! Yeah it definitely has a different vibe to it, not bad by any means! But more... I guess for lack of a better term, menacing sounding? Especially the intro and the outro solo
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ForceofNature101 said:mcgruff10 said:@ForceofNature101 great pickup my friend and I can definitely hear the difference!! Good stuff.
Thanks! Yeah it definitely has a different vibe to it, not bad by any means! But more... I guess for lack of a better term, menacing sounding? Especially the intro and the outro solo
I dig it.0 -
If they’re going to do Corduroy in Eb they should at least give us the bridge back as it should be easier to sing that way.0
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ForceofNature101 said:Gern Blansten said:mrk2 said:Gern Blansten said:Corduroy was one of the tunes that was played in Eb post-Ed voice issues and quickly brought back to standard tuning thereafter, the one you posted was from when they brought it back to its original tuning after a few showsHere is the live version tuned down, let me know if this one is more of a contrast to you compared to the originalRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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The only song I dislike down-tuned is Life Wasted. The rest I really like.Breath at Hyde Park sounded heavier for it and I loved it.0
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