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The media- including the so-called "liberal media" keeps calling the searching of Mar-A-Lago a "raid". It wasn't a raid. It was legally searched by warrant (the only commentator who seems to get this is Heather Cox Richardson). Calling it a "raid" is feeding the anger of the Cult-45. Not a very bright move.
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I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.0 -
You don’t remember the swarms of yahoos who surrounded the Bundy Ranch and prevented the Bundy’s from being held accountable for not paying their grazing fees?mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Seemed like 50 guys or less stalled the military in nearly every city and village in Iraq and Afghanistan for the better part of 20 years.mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
it’s not like these guys were elite soldiers either and they didn’t have aircraft or tanks.
we aren’t that great at urban warfare fighting non traditional forces if we aren’t carpet bombing. I think the government will be even more concerned about civilian casualties here
weather it happens or not I think we shouldn’t overestimate the government’s ability to respond to an asymmetric threat. Taking over the country probably isn’t the goal. Chaos and retribution is . I’m sure plenty would love to have a shootout if they try to arrest trump. That’s how it could startPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
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I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
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So your measure is somewhere between 10 guys holed up and taking over the country? Bundy’s weren’t held accountable. Neither was David Koresh without a bunch of people dying. You can’t imagine a scenario where Mar-I-Lieo is surrounded by heavily armed POOTWH supporters not allowing the feds to arrest and book him? Taking over the country is your definition of “bad things happening?”09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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And if anyone thinks Putin on the ritz is just sitting idly by eating popcorn while he watches CNN and not having his bot farms flood social media with violence rhetoric hasn’t been awake since 2014.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:And if anyone thinks Putin on the ritz is just sitting idly by eating popcorn while he watches CNN and not having his bot farms flood social media with violence rhetoric hasn’t been awake since 2014.
aka "stirring the shit"
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My god was that sappy. I didn’t know if I was stuck in The Shining or A Clockwork Orange with that Wehrmacht music playing. And shouldn’t Donny Boy’s squeeze Tinfoil get the credit and residuals for “the best is yeeeeeet to come?” What a shitclown show.static111 said:Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:Gern Blansten said:I'm seeing a lot of right wing outrage on twitter. Pence, Brian Kilmeade, etc. All demanding answers.
I can't believe Pence is going that route but I guess we shouldn't be surprised.
Weird! Trump's people wanted to kill Pence on 1/6!Not necessarily. Raiding a former presidents home is a big deal. This better be more than “misplaced classified documents.”
Either one of a few things this better be: top secret documents that show he clearly put Americans in danger or proof beyond doubt he committed serious crimes regarding Jan six. Anything falling short may have just given the Rs fuel to get trump back in good graces with swing state voters. And it fits right in with his “deep state” narrative unless they have proof very soon their actions were justified.
And it better be quick. The more this gets delayed the more outrage the right will generate. This all should have been anticipated before the raid, and they better have hundreds of agents going over the docs 24/7, and disclose they are in possession of overwhelming proof of serious crimes to be made public soon. This is the type of thing you don’t do to a former president unless you are about to indict for treason.
And if it’s not a clear cut obvious and dangerous crime, this could be a huge mistake by garland. It’s not like they just raided Stone Gossards home.
10 more boxes bringing the total to 25 in all. Haven’t seen reporting of estimated number of documents or general subjects or degree of classification.
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Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I do know. Again, that's my point. Bundy and crew knew that too. But if we really were having a "civil war", they would be wiped out. These guys are cos players and only the morons don't know how they have zero chance against the govt.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
You guys are making my point about how all this talk is fanciful.
I was on a plane to Chicago yesterday and was picked up by the ceo of one of our suppliers. He's a legging R. He don't give a crap about Trump or this. I asked him these same questions and his attitude was as I suspected. No way is he giving up anything for the idiot Trump.0 -
I think you’re vastly under estimating the level of devotion and cray-cray. We’re not talking boat owners and CEOs giving up their comfy life styles for POOTWH. We’re talking lower class, undereducated and easily grifted folks with firearms who feel it’s the government’s fault their $50 donation to POOTWH’s defense fund didn’t stop the government and/or the “other” that’s sitting across from them at Golden Corral or Cracker Barrel. There’s way more of those types than your CEO or boat owner types.mrussel1 said:
I do know. Again, that's my point. Bundy and crew knew that too. But if we really were having a "civil war", they would be wiped out. These guys are cos players and only the morons don't know how they have zero chance against the govt.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
You guys are making my point about how all this talk is fanciful.
I was on a plane to Chicago yesterday and was picked up by the ceo of one of our suppliers. He's a legging R. He don't give a crap about Trump or this. I asked him these same questions and his attitude was as I suspected. No way is he giving up anything for the idiot Trump.
Did your CEO ever participate in a POOTWH parade or attend one of his rallies? Probably not but yet he still might have donated to him or the repub party and voted for him. That’s what fuels the cray cray. We’re seeing it play out now with repubs defending POOTWH and demanding the Dems produce, explain or be eliminated. It’s backwards. Parties of grievances never lead to good things happening.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I’ve gotten the same responses after speaking with some republicans. Seems the majority have moved on and those left supporting him won’t listen to reason now and never will. Their need for “cult” affection is too strong because so much else is lacking in their lives.mrussel1 said:
I do know. Again, that's my point. Bundy and crew knew that too. But if we really were having a "civil war", they would be wiped out. These guys are cos players and only the morons don't know how they have zero chance against the govt.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
You guys are making my point about how all this talk is fanciful.
I was on a plane to Chicago yesterday and was picked up by the ceo of one of our suppliers. He's a legging R. He don't give a crap about Trump or this. I asked him these same questions and his attitude was as I suspected. No way is he giving up anything for the idiot Trump.0 -
These militias in particular have been training for years. Now they have a cause rather than generally being anti government. Once you combine all those nutty groups, it’s concerning that they are all united behind a common cause.cblock4life said:
I’ve gotten the same responses after speaking with some republicans. Seems the majority have moved on and those left supporting him won’t listen to reason now and never will. Their need for “cult” affection is too strong because so much else is lacking in their lives.mrussel1 said:
I do know. Again, that's my point. Bundy and crew knew that too. But if we really were having a "civil war", they would be wiped out. These guys are cos players and only the morons don't know how they have zero chance against the govt.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
You guys are making my point about how all this talk is fanciful.
I was on a plane to Chicago yesterday and was picked up by the ceo of one of our suppliers. He's a legging R. He don't give a crap about Trump or this. I asked him these same questions and his attitude was as I suspected. No way is he giving up anything for the idiot Trump.When you add up the militias, the white nationalists, the pro life militants etc. it’s a lot.
every single group as separate entities have engaged in violent terrorism. Oklahoma City, Abortion clinic bombings, mass shootings etc0 -
It is particularly concerning because there has never been a time when the military and police have been more likely to be on their side.Cropduster-80 said:
These militias in particular have been training for years. Now they have a cause rather than generally being anti government. Once you combine all those nutty groups, it’s concerning that they are all united behind a common cause.cblock4life said:
I’ve gotten the same responses after speaking with some republicans. Seems the majority have moved on and those left supporting him won’t listen to reason now and never will. Their need for “cult” affection is too strong because so much else is lacking in their lives.mrussel1 said:
I do know. Again, that's my point. Bundy and crew knew that too. But if we really were having a "civil war", they would be wiped out. These guys are cos players and only the morons don't know how they have zero chance against the govt.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
You guys are making my point about how all this talk is fanciful.
I was on a plane to Chicago yesterday and was picked up by the ceo of one of our suppliers. He's a legging R. He don't give a crap about Trump or this. I asked him these same questions and his attitude was as I suspected. No way is he giving up anything for the idiot Trump.When you add up the militias, the white nationalists, the pro life militants etc. it’s a lot.
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I think they represent localized risk, but not risk to the govt and its ongoing ability to function.Cropduster-80 said:
These militias in particular have been training for years. Now they have a cause rather than generally being anti government. Once you combine all those nutty groups, it’s concerning that they are all united behind a common cause.cblock4life said:
I’ve gotten the same responses after speaking with some republicans. Seems the majority have moved on and those left supporting him won’t listen to reason now and never will. Their need for “cult” affection is too strong because so much else is lacking in their lives.mrussel1 said:
I do know. Again, that's my point. Bundy and crew knew that too. But if we really were having a "civil war", they would be wiped out. These guys are cos players and only the morons don't know how they have zero chance against the govt.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
You guys are making my point about how all this talk is fanciful.
I was on a plane to Chicago yesterday and was picked up by the ceo of one of our suppliers. He's a legging R. He don't give a crap about Trump or this. I asked him these same questions and his attitude was as I suspected. No way is he giving up anything for the idiot Trump.When you add up the militias, the white nationalists, the pro life militants etc. it’s a lot.
every single group as separate entities have engaged in violent terrorism. Oklahoma City, Abortion clinic bombings, mass shootings etc0 -
That might seem true, but it is not. Biden did a whole hell of a lot better with the military vote than Hillary did.OnWis97 said:
It is particularly concerning because there has never been a time when the military and police have been more likely to be on their side.Cropduster-80 said:
These militias in particular have been training for years. Now they have a cause rather than generally being anti government. Once you combine all those nutty groups, it’s concerning that they are all united behind a common cause.cblock4life said:
I’ve gotten the same responses after speaking with some republicans. Seems the majority have moved on and those left supporting him won’t listen to reason now and never will. Their need for “cult” affection is too strong because so much else is lacking in their lives.mrussel1 said:
I do know. Again, that's my point. Bundy and crew knew that too. But if we really were having a "civil war", they would be wiped out. These guys are cos players and only the morons don't know how they have zero chance against the govt.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
You guys are making my point about how all this talk is fanciful.
I was on a plane to Chicago yesterday and was picked up by the ceo of one of our suppliers. He's a legging R. He don't give a crap about Trump or this. I asked him these same questions and his attitude was as I suspected. No way is he giving up anything for the idiot Trump.When you add up the militias, the white nationalists, the pro life militants etc. it’s a lot.
every single group as separate entities have engaged in violent terrorism. Oklahoma City, Abortion clinic bombings, mass shootings etc
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I think that’s the differencemrussel1 said:
I think they represent localized risk, but not risk to the govt and its ongoing ability to function.Cropduster-80 said:
These militias in particular have been training for years. Now they have a cause rather than generally being anti government. Once you combine all those nutty groups, it’s concerning that they are all united behind a common cause.cblock4life said:
I’ve gotten the same responses after speaking with some republicans. Seems the majority have moved on and those left supporting him won’t listen to reason now and never will. Their need for “cult” affection is too strong because so much else is lacking in their lives.mrussel1 said:
I do know. Again, that's my point. Bundy and crew knew that too. But if we really were having a "civil war", they would be wiped out. These guys are cos players and only the morons don't know how they have zero chance against the govt.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
You guys are making my point about how all this talk is fanciful.
I was on a plane to Chicago yesterday and was picked up by the ceo of one of our suppliers. He's a legging R. He don't give a crap about Trump or this. I asked him these same questions and his attitude was as I suspected. No way is he giving up anything for the idiot Trump.When you add up the militias, the white nationalists, the pro life militants etc. it’s a lot.
every single group as separate entities have engaged in violent terrorism. Oklahoma City, Abortion clinic bombings, mass shootings etc
my concern is that localised problem in multiple locations. I think you are coming at it from a overthrow the government perspective in a traditional sense.
creating enough localised chaos and you do limit the government’s ability to function. There may still be a government but if it’s not in control is it really a government?
they don’t need to take Washington DC. I also don’t think they could.Post edited by Cropduster-80 on0
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