SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States)

tempo_n_groove · June 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss.

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it."

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.

I think you're all off base on this. If the coach linked PT to the prayer, then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did. So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….

if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.

was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc. I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

The cannabis angle was done before, countless times by the Rastafarians to no avail.

Why you couldn't have a prayer in a school under free speech always concerned me. There is no real separation of Church and State, if their was any mention of God would be stricken and you wouldn't still be swearing an oath on a bible.

Where the prayers get muddled is when you have an ashiest or Jewish or maybe a Roman Catholic in the group whom is uncomfortable doing the prayer but feels obligated. I think a prayer is fine but asking others to a prayer circle may not be ok.

NASCAR before every race still does a prayer. I always found that interesting.

NASCAR isn’t a public entity though. Nor is a private school where prayer is 100 percent fine. It’s different

if I wanted to say grace before lunch at school as a teacher in a public school, totally acceptable. If I decided to lead the cafeteria in grace before lunch that’s different. Your speech being for your benefit vs your speech being directed at everyone present. It becomes praying at people, not praying to god. God can hear you and doesn’t require a crowd. If I want to eat lunch in the designated eating place I can’t leave.

At the end of the day, there should be a line. What that line is, that’s a great debate. However many evangelicals and this court seem to feel there should be no line. As long as it’s Christian prayer

NASCAR wanting to be all inclusive nowadays makes it all the more interesting, private or not.

Your take is basically what I said to. When it's a group thing is where it gets complicated.

NASCAR is hillarious. They are doing that as an organisation

the fans are pissed

I did a double take when they started actively trying to change. That’s a really interesting example for sure

NASCAR has really changed from the Good ol Boys of old. The fans might still be like that, I am not, but the people they are rooting for surely are not. Great example was during the Bubba Wallace incident right after the banning of the confederate flag. Every driver walked with him in solidarity.

NASCAR is trying.

To me nascar has been Lynyrd Skynyrd shirts and confederate flags. And I like Skynyrd, well their first album anyway.

I give them a ton of credit. It’s pretty engrained. Seems like a normal shift to me, but it was a big deal

Of course it's a big deal. You still have fans that think the next coming of The Intimidator, Dale Earnhardt is going to show up. A man's man that chews and drinks beer and doesn't enunciate too well, lol.

cblock4life · June 2022

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss.

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it."

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.

I think you're all off base on this. If the coach linked PT to the prayer, then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did. So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….

if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.

was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc. I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

I really wish people would throw stuff back in their faces. I'd do it but it's disingenuous as I am not a muslim. But why don't people do it? Muslims should be praying all over the fields....people in open carry states should get guns and walk around wherever it is legal and as close to politicians, judges, etc as possible (all within the law and no intention of using the firearm of course). But why not throw their bullshit right back in their face and maybe even make them a little scared?

Man - I wish I could get myself to get a gun...I just can't. Which is why I guess people don't do this stuff

For the most part (everyone in the world has radicals) true Muslims are extremely faithful, forgiving, and don’t like to call attention to themselves. Now that this ruling has taken place they should ask for a prayer room in their school. I don’t see how it would be different. But, I just don’t see any true Muslims rocking the boat

Halifax2TheMax · June 2022

cblock4life said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss.

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it."

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.

I think you're all off base on this. If the coach linked PT to the prayer, then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did. So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….

if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.

was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc. I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

I really wish people would throw stuff back in their faces. I'd do it but it's disingenuous as I am not a muslim. But why don't people do it? Muslims should be praying all over the fields....people in open carry states should get guns and walk around wherever it is legal and as close to politicians, judges, etc as possible (all within the law and no intention of using the firearm of course). But why not throw their bullshit right back in their face and maybe even make them a little scared?

Man - I wish I could get myself to get a gun...I just can't. Which is why I guess people don't do this stuff

For the most part (everyone in the world has radicals) true Muslims are extremely faithful, forgiving, and don’t like to call attention to themselves. Now that this ruling has taken place they should ask for a prayer room in their school. I don’t see how it would be different. But, I just don’t see any true Muslims rocking the boat

Just wait until they demand a foot washing station, markers denoting the direction to Mecca and space to roll out their prayer rugs.

mrussel1 · June 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss.

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it."

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.

I think you're all off base on this. If the coach linked PT to the prayer, then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did. So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….

if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.

was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc. I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

The cannabis angle was done before, countless times by the Rastafarians to no avail.

Why you couldn't have a prayer in a school under free speech always concerned me. There is no real separation of Church and State, if their was any mention of God would be stricken and you wouldn't still be swearing an oath on a bible.

Where the prayers get muddled is when you have an ashiest or Jewish or maybe a Roman Catholic in the group whom is uncomfortable doing the prayer but feels obligated. I think a prayer is fine but asking others to a prayer circle may not be ok.

NASCAR before every race still does a prayer. I always found that interesting.

NASCAR isn’t a public entity though. Nor is a private school where prayer is 100 percent fine. It’s different

if I wanted to say grace before lunch at school as a teacher in a public school, totally acceptable. If I decided to lead the cafeteria in grace before lunch that’s different. Your speech being for your benefit vs your speech being directed at everyone present. It becomes praying at people, not praying to god. God can hear you and doesn’t require a crowd. If I want to eat lunch in the designated eating place I can’t leave.

At the end of the day, there should be a line. What that line is, that’s a great debate. However many evangelicals and this court seem to feel there should be no line. As long as it’s Christian prayer

NASCAR wanting to be all inclusive nowadays makes it all the more interesting, private or not.

Your take is basically what I said to. When it's a group thing is where it gets complicated.

NASCAR is hillarious. They are doing that as an organisation

the fans are pissed

I did a double take when they started actively trying to change. That’s a really interesting example for sure

NASCAR has really changed from the Good ol Boys of old. The fans might still be like that, I am not, but the people they are rooting for surely are not. Great example was during the Bubba Wallace incident right after the banning of the confederate flag. Every driver walked with him in solidarity.

NASCAR is trying.

To me nascar has been Lynyrd Skynyrd shirts and confederate flags. And I like Skynyrd, well their first album anyway.

I give them a ton of credit. It’s pretty engrained. Seems like a normal shift to me, but it was a big deal

Second Helping is pretty good.

The two APs are phenomenal. Forgot to add the first record into best sounding records I own.

Lerxst1992 · June 2022

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss.

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it."

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.

I think you're all off base on this. If the coach linked PT to the prayer, then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did. So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….

if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.

was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc. I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

The cannabis angle was done before, countless times by the Rastafarians to no avail.

Why you couldn't have a prayer in a school under free speech always concerned me. There is no real separation of Church and State, if their was any mention of God would be stricken and you wouldn't still be swearing an oath on a bible.

Where the prayers get muddled is when you have an ashiest or Jewish or maybe a Roman Catholic in the group whom is uncomfortable doing the prayer but feels obligated. I think a prayer is fine but asking others to a prayer circle may not be ok.

NASCAR before every race still does a prayer. I always found that interesting.

The job of the school is to teach...not pray. There are way too many religions to appease everyone.

Not only do we expect teachers to teach...now we suggest they should be experts in weaponry and religion? Insanity.

If someone wanted to pray and it didn't bother anyone, let them pray. I did mention that when it's a group then it would be a problem.

People should be allowed to do as they want as long as it doesn't infringe on other peoples rights. This is like the jersey discussion we had in the sports page. Should you be allowed to wear an opposing jersey and not be harassed? Absolutely. Are there jerks in the world? Absolutely. Should you engage with the home team when you're wearing a bullseye? No, that's poking the bear.

I would expect a lot more of these cases to come about and the conservative/Christian viewpoint will be fairly vocal for the upcoming years.

This is 3 decisions now in less than a week.

gotcha...yeah I agree with that. I could care less if someone wants to pray on their own without interrupting class or others and there aren't any restrictions on that that I know of.

I'm not sure if the group thing is as bad as its a leader in the community doing this, and admitted in his testimony he views his participants as better people. And of course the Christian prefererential treatment.

And Kavanaugh pretended this was just some dude who wanted to quietly pray. Anyone interested in catching a Justice in a lie, look at this case.

tempo_n_groove · June 2022

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss.

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it."

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.

I think you're all off base on this. If the coach linked PT to the prayer, then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did. So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….

if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.

was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc. I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

The cannabis angle was done before, countless times by the Rastafarians to no avail.

Why you couldn't have a prayer in a school under free speech always concerned me. There is no real separation of Church and State, if their was any mention of God would be stricken and you wouldn't still be swearing an oath on a bible.

Where the prayers get muddled is when you have an ashiest or Jewish or maybe a Roman Catholic in the group whom is uncomfortable doing the prayer but feels obligated. I think a prayer is fine but asking others to a prayer circle may not be ok.

NASCAR before every race still does a prayer. I always found that interesting.

The job of the school is to teach...not pray. There are way too many religions to appease everyone.

Not only do we expect teachers to teach...now we suggest they should be experts in weaponry and religion? Insanity.

If someone wanted to pray and it didn't bother anyone, let them pray. I did mention that when it's a group then it would be a problem.

People should be allowed to do as they want as long as it doesn't infringe on other peoples rights. This is like the jersey discussion we had in the sports page. Should you be allowed to wear an opposing jersey and not be harassed? Absolutely. Are there jerks in the world? Absolutely. Should you engage with the home team when you're wearing a bullseye? No, that's poking the bear.

I would expect a lot more of these cases to come about and the conservative/Christian viewpoint will be fairly vocal for the upcoming years.

This is 3 decisions now in less than a week.

gotcha...yeah I agree with that. I could care less if someone wants to pray on their own without interrupting class or others and there aren't any restrictions on that that I know of.

I'm not sure if the group thing is as bad as its a leader in the community doing this, and admitted in his testimony he views his participants as better people. And of course the Christian prefererential treatment.

And Kavanaugh pretended this was just some dude who wanted to quietly pray. Anyone interested in catching a Justice in a lie, look at this case.

Justices in a lie? There was 4 of them on record stating R vs W as "precedent". No need to look anymore.

brianlux · June 2022

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss.

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it."

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.

I think you're all off base on this. If the coach linked PT to the prayer, then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did. So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

If Jesus was alive today:

gimmesometruth27 · June 2022

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

Cropduster-80 · June 2022

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

HughFreakingDillon · June 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

maybe for some. I think some are so ego-centric they truly believe that god helped them score that touchdown.

tbergs · June 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

Or the coach learned it as a player from his coach and is trying to indoctrinate the next generation of youth.

OnWis97 · June 2022

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

maybe for some. I think some are so ego-centric they truly believe that god helped them score that touchdown.

Boy did god shit on me...in terms of sports.

hedonist · June 2022

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

maybe for some. I think some are so ego-centric they truly believe that god helped them score that touchdown.

Albeit different circumstances, I sure do wish we’d give the same shit to actors who thank god in their goddamn winning speeches.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2022

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

maybe for some. I think some are so ego-centric they truly believe that god helped them score that touchdown.

Albeit different circumstances, I sure do wish we’d give the same shit to actors who thank god in their goddamn winning speeches.

I think it's equally absurd. I loved Ricky Gervais's comment on that, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

mrussel1 · June 2022

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

maybe for some. I think some are so ego-centric they truly believe that god helped them score that touchdown.

Albeit different circumstances, I sure do wish we’d give the same shit to actors who thank god in their goddamn winning speeches.

I think it's equally absurd. I loved Ricky Gervais's comment on that, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

Every single college football player in an interview after a game thanks God. Who are we to judge?

HughFreakingDillon · June 2022

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

maybe for some. I think some are so ego-centric they truly believe that god helped them score that touchdown.

Albeit different circumstances, I sure do wish we’d give the same shit to actors who thank god in their goddamn winning speeches.

I think it's equally absurd. I loved Ricky Gervais's comment on that, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

Every single college football player in an interview after a game thanks God. Who are we to judge?

if there is a god, he better not give two flying fucks about adults playing sports. adults playing sports in and of itself is absurd enough by itself (and yes, I watch adults playing sports).

mrussel1 · June 2022

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

maybe for some. I think some are so ego-centric they truly believe that god helped them score that touchdown.

Albeit different circumstances, I sure do wish we’d give the same shit to actors who thank god in their goddamn winning speeches.

I think it's equally absurd. I loved Ricky Gervais's comment on that, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

Every single college football player in an interview after a game thanks God. Who are we to judge?

if there is a god, he better not give two flying fucks about adults playing sports. adults playing sports in and of itself is absurd enough by itself (and yes, I watch adults playing sports).

If there is a God, then we have no way of determining what he cares about and what he doesn't. When an athlete thanks God at the beginning of an interview, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2022

I wouldn't say it "bothers" me. I just think it's stupid. it more gives me a chuckle than anything. now, when a player gets injured and a group of them get together and pray for his health, that I get.

OnWis97 · June 2022

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

maybe for some. I think some are so ego-centric they truly believe that god helped them score that touchdown.

Albeit different circumstances, I sure do wish we’d give the same shit to actors who thank god in their goddamn winning speeches.

I think it's equally absurd. I loved Ricky Gervais's comment on that, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

Every single college football player in an interview after a game thanks God. Who are we to judge?

if there is a god, he better not give two flying fucks about adults playing sports. adults playing sports in and of itself is absurd enough by itself (and yes, I watch adults playing sports).

If there is a God, then we have no way of determining what he cares about and what he doesn't. When an athlete thanks God at the beginning of an interview, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

It bothers me a bit, but that's probably more about me...I don't think we should tell them not to.

A key difference is that they have no captive audience. Literally nobody's reaction can be used against them, as the player has no pupils or employees that might feel pressured to participate.

brianlux · June 2022

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i find the concept of audibly praying on the 50 yard line of a football game to be pretty strange. do we really have to bother god about a high school football game? come on.

At some point it’s not praying, it’s O.C.D. It’s a ritual/repetitive behaviour, the fact god is involved is irrelevant

it’s like a baseball player not touching the lines.

Odds are it started after a good game

maybe for some. I think some are so ego-centric they truly believe that god helped them score that touchdown.

Albeit different circumstances, I sure do wish we’d give the same shit to actors who thank god in their goddamn winning speeches.

I think it's equally absurd. I loved Ricky Gervais's comment on that, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

Every single college football player in an interview after a game thanks God. Who are we to judge?

if there is a god, he better not give two flying fucks about adults playing sports. adults playing sports in and of itself is absurd enough by itself (and yes, I watch adults playing sports).

God IS the football. Whomever carries God across the goal line wins. Whoo hoo!

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