Roe v Wade

PP193448 said:

hedonist said:

My young(ish) cousin sent this to me earlier. So powerful; parts of it gave me tears.

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I'm not pro-murdering babies.

I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.

I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.

I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.

I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.

I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.

I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.

I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses.

I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.

I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.

I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.

I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.

You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:

I'm pro-life.

Their lives.

Women's lives.

You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made.

Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!

Overturning Roe does not stop abortions, it stops SAFE abortions! 

Abortion is healthcare.

The only scenario above that could not be decided before third trimester would be the placental abruption… which in the 3rd trimester would require an emergency C-section to save the mother and possibly the baby.  Otherwise the rest I would agree with, and could be performed prior to 24 weeks.  So please tell me why the extreme liberals want unrestricted abortions, even during term delivery????  And please tell my why extreme conservatives want absolutely no abortions scenarios permitted?  I am pro-choice prior to 24 weeks, after that it should be restricted to emergencies only deemed per doctor.  And you forgot the scenario where the person has had multiple abortions because they choose not to be responsible for their own pregnancies and refuse to protect against contraception.  This is the problem where compromise needs to happen.  It’s ridiculous to say all or none.  And blame Congress for not making it a law.  It’s up to the states, and should be voted on ballots by everyone who is a citizen of this country, not left for politicians own personal beliefs. 

PP193448 said:

hedonist said:

My young(ish) cousin sent this to me earlier. So powerful; parts of it gave me tears.

***************

I'm not pro-murdering babies.

I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.

I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.

I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.

I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.

I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.

I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.

I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses.

I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.

I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.

I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.

I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.

You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:

I'm pro-life.

Their lives.

Women's lives.

You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made.

Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!

Overturning Roe does not stop abortions, it stops SAFE abortions! 

Abortion is healthcare.

The only scenario above that could not be decided before third trimester would be the placental abruption… which in the 3rd trimester would require an emergency C-section to save the mother and possibly the baby.  Otherwise the rest I would agree with, and could be performed prior to 24 weeks.  So please tell me why the extreme liberals want unrestricted abortions, even during term delivery????  And please tell my why extreme conservatives want absolutely no abortions scenarios permitted?  I am pro-choice prior to 24 weeks, after that it should be restricted to emergencies only deemed per doctor.  And you forgot the scenario where the person has had multiple abortions because they choose not to be responsible for their own pregnancies and refuse to protect against contraception.  This is the problem where compromise needs to happen.  It’s ridiculous to say all or none.  And blame Congress for not making it a law.  It’s up to the states, and should be voted on ballots by everyone who is a citizen of this country, not left for politicians own personal beliefs. 

PP193448 said:

hedonist said:

My young(ish) cousin sent this to me earlier. So powerful; parts of it gave me tears.

***************

I'm not pro-murdering babies.

I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.

I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.

I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.

I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.

I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.

I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.

I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses.

I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.

I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.

I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.

I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.

You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:

I'm pro-life.

Their lives.

Women's lives.

You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made.

Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!

Overturning Roe does not stop abortions, it stops SAFE abortions! 

Abortion is healthcare.

The only scenario above that could not be decided before third trimester would be the placental abruption… which in the 3rd trimester would require an emergency C-section to save the mother and possibly the baby.  Otherwise the rest I would agree with, and could be performed prior to 24 weeks.  So please tell me why the extreme liberals want unrestricted abortions, even during term delivery????  And please tell my why extreme conservatives want absolutely no abortions scenarios permitted?  I am pro-choice prior to 24 weeks, after that it should be restricted to emergencies only deemed per doctor.  And you forgot the scenario where the person has had multiple abortions because they choose not to be responsible for their own pregnancies and refuse to protect against contraception.  This is the problem where compromise needs to happen.  It’s ridiculous to say all or none.  And blame Congress for not making it a law.  It’s up to the states, and should be voted on ballots by everyone who is a citizen of this country, not left for politicians own personal beliefs. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I still think cancelling a show in any state because of a government or court decision is the wrong move; Raleigh included. They should have gone on a media blitz stating their opposition to it, and if they were positioned to lose money on the cancellation anyway, then play the show and send that portion of your profit margin to a useful organization. Live stream it for free; use your platform to advocate for good. Taking your ball and going home does nothing. 

So, if everyone received their return with interest for two plus years, and the band cancelled, it’d be okay? Seems it’s just about money and investments, right?

Women, and the men that support women, on this issue, should strike. Sick outs. Not show up for work. Stop spending dollars at all level of events. Yo, NFL, MLB, tourism, etc.

Boycott 

Divest

Sanction

Let them build walls like other countries have. Stop your dollars from supporting your own oppression. PJ should only play states and venues that protect a woman’s right to CHOOSE.

It sucks when there’s consequences for bullying, right?

I have no idea how you made the leap from what I said to "it's all about money". 

To me it seems like a 15 week law is more harmful than good. It could cause a woman to make a quicker decision. And by "harmful" I mean if the idea is to create a 15 week law to placed limits then these laws could cause a woman to make a decision spur of the moment so that she doesn't violate the law (or have her provider violate it) when if given more time maybe she would decide to keep the baby, etc.

PP193448 said:

There are plenty of unethical doctors who choose profit over medicine who would invariably perform elective late abortions, especially if there are absolutely no regulations.  To think otherwise is naive.  There are doctors who have raped patients, fraudulently billed more than the services provided, and performed unnecessary procedures to collect more for billing.  If statistics dictate that there is an extremely small percentage of later term abortions (after 21-24 weeks), then why not have regulations after 24 weeks.  No doctor worth his/her license would/should withhold life saving intervention if mother’s life was at risk.  And one could argue to why have restrictions if its only 1% or less of later term abortions… 
Why not compromise to try to keep the statistics lower???  I would argue that the %s would likely increase as time goes on.  But forcing people to choose all or none is not the solution.  It will never happen in the US.

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

PP193448 said:

There are plenty of unethical doctors who choose profit over medicine who would invariably perform elective late abortions, especially if there are absolutely no regulations.  To think otherwise is naive.  There are doctors who have raped patients, fraudulently billed more than the services provided, and performed unnecessary procedures to collect more for billing.  If statistics dictate that there is an extremely small percentage of later term abortions (after 21-24 weeks), then why not have regulations after 24 weeks.  No doctor worth his/her license would/should withhold life saving intervention if mother’s life was at risk.  And one could argue to why have restrictions if its only 1% or less of later term abortions… 
Why not compromise to try to keep the statistics lower???  I would argue that the %s would likely increase as time goes on.  But forcing people to choose all or none is not the solution.  It will never happen in the US.

1. If you're unethical enough to put profit over health, you won't give two fucks about the regulations on late-stage abortions, you'll just charge more and have to do it in more unsafe scenarios. To add to this, the fact that you put fraudulent billing and patient raping on the same line with respect to abuses shows me you have a weak comprehension of nuance

2. Every time abortion is brought up, the conversation shifts to 'at what point is a fetus a human', and very few good faith arguments follow from that - it's often used as a way to say "see, we'll never agree, we're just too different", and the conversation fizzles yet again. This is not by accident, and history tends to repeat itself

3. If late-stage abortions require nuance to evaluate risk to both mother and child, then it's not acceptable to put a binary rule on it judicially, when people who are trained in harm reduction (doctors) are far better equipped to make those judgment calls

4. Again - the all or none is a byproduct of zero wiggle room given from those who unequivocally condemn abortions

for 3 - are you stating that because doctors are the experts therefore there should be no laws on it?

Cause that would wipe out a lot of laws as politicians are rarely the expert.  Perhaps I'm mis-understanding.

Patrick_Sea3 said:

It will be interesting which bands will even play in states that made abortion illegal….