Police Reform (Please Don’t Call It Defund)

mace1229 said:

Hobbes said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Parksy said:

The 'cops' in Uvalde are cowards... plain and simple.  That's not to say all cops are. This is honestly the first I've ever heard of a situation like this where the cops don't engage immediately. 

I will say this.. and this will something to keep an eye on:  The problem with cops and the thin blue line, or the blue brotherhood, or the blue lives matter crowd is that they all protect themselves.  It's an unwritten rule that cops help cops and that cops don't rat other cops out. That's just wrong. Plain and simple wrong. There are a lot of excellent cops out there and they need credit for not only being brave but for putting up with a lot of shit and stress.  But this is an opportunity to show just how brave you are. 

Police across your country need to condemn this and call for all of their badges.. now.  Don't let it be the people protesting outside the station... call out your own. Don't ignore social media... don't ignore the news.  Call them out. And do it now.  Their negligence, cowardice, and laziness cost children's lives. 

The personal safety of an officer takes precedence in ALMOST every scenario .. EXCEPT THIS ONE.  Active shooter = go... no matter what.  To me that's the MOST important reason you cops have a gun. 

We don't know the whole story yet. There were several officers that entered the school soon after the shooting started. All of the facts are not in a usable format yet. A lot of people are focusing on video of officers keeping parents back....there were tons of officers there...not just those few.

you're right. I'll reserve further outrage for more information. But I will say...it sounds like there is a cover up happening with changing of stories and facts etc. Seems like massive damage control. 

I wonder how the police would treat a suspect who changed their story this many times. Hmm…

Did the police change their story? Or was it media and other non law enforcement officials who were spreading the rumors that turned out to be false and the police the corrected it?

lindamarie73 said:

mace1229 said:

Hobbes said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Parksy said:

The 'cops' in Uvalde are cowards... plain and simple.  That's not to say all cops are. This is honestly the first I've ever heard of a situation like this where the cops don't engage immediately. 

I will say this.. and this will something to keep an eye on:  The problem with cops and the thin blue line, or the blue brotherhood, or the blue lives matter crowd is that they all protect themselves.  It's an unwritten rule that cops help cops and that cops don't rat other cops out. That's just wrong. Plain and simple wrong. There are a lot of excellent cops out there and they need credit for not only being brave but for putting up with a lot of shit and stress.  But this is an opportunity to show just how brave you are. 

Police across your country need to condemn this and call for all of their badges.. now.  Don't let it be the people protesting outside the station... call out your own. Don't ignore social media... don't ignore the news.  Call them out. And do it now.  Their negligence, cowardice, and laziness cost children's lives. 

The personal safety of an officer takes precedence in ALMOST every scenario .. EXCEPT THIS ONE.  Active shooter = go... no matter what.  To me that's the MOST important reason you cops have a gun. 

We don't know the whole story yet. There were several officers that entered the school soon after the shooting started. All of the facts are not in a usable format yet. A lot of people are focusing on video of officers keeping parents back....there were tons of officers there...not just those few.

you're right. I'll reserve further outrage for more information. But I will say...it sounds like there is a cover up happening with changing of stories and facts etc. Seems like massive damage control. 

I wonder how the police would treat a suspect who changed their story this many times. Hmm…

Did the police change their story? Or was it media and other non law enforcement officials who were spreading the rumors that turned out to be false and the police the corrected it?

Nailed it there Mace.  The media depends on creating shock value that  the weak minded eat up and crave.  Godbless all involved in this tragedy, the real investigation into this matter is just beginning.  

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

has there ever been a song called "fuck the fire department"? if not, they must be doing something right. better than the police anyway.

What? The fire department don’t go after criminals. Pretty sure the gentleman who made that song had a shady lifestyle. I think only “fire” would say fuck the fire department. I get it. You hate cops. But this is a reach. 

i don't hate cops. i hate people who do not do their job when called upon to do so. i hate "good guys with guns" who do not do what they are trained to do. have you heard the summaries of the calls to 911 from the children inside that school? the kids were begging the dispatchers to send the police now.

the fire department runs into dangerous situations to save people every day. that is much more than i can say for the cops who stood by and left kids in that school with the gunman.

Ok. It’s just when someone makes donut jokes multiple times it adds to the idea that they just hate cops. Comparing firemen to cops is apples to oranges. And saying there’s no song called “fuck the fireman” is a huge reach to make your point. But yea. Fuck the police. Until you’re in trouble. Fuck these guys? Yea. But you don’t hear about every time an officer saves a life because they’re just doing their job and it’s not newsworthy. I just don’t get the fuck the police stance. Unless you’re a criminal. Then I get it. If I had to I’d choose being a fireman over a cop 100% of the time. More money, less variables, no “anti fireman” rhetoric to deal with, not dealing with the absolute worst society has to offer every day, and tons of time to do side work and make even more money. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

has there ever been a song called "fuck the fire department"? if not, they must be doing something right. better than the police anyway.

What? The fire department don’t go after criminals. Pretty sure the gentleman who made that song had a shady lifestyle. I think only “fire” would say fuck the fire department. I get it. You hate cops. But this is a reach. 

i don't hate cops. i hate people who do not do their job when called upon to do so. i hate "good guys with guns" who do not do what they are trained to do. have you heard the summaries of the calls to 911 from the children inside that school? the kids were begging the dispatchers to send the police now.

the fire department runs into dangerous situations to save people every day. that is much more than i can say for the cops who stood by and left kids in that school with the gunman.

Ok. It’s just when someone makes donut jokes multiple times it adds to the idea that they just hate cops. Comparing firemen to cops is apples to oranges. And saying there’s no song called “fuck the fireman” is a huge reach to make your point. But yea. Fuck the police. Until you’re in trouble. Fuck these guys? Yea. But you don’t hear about every time an officer saves a life because they’re just doing their job and it’s not newsworthy. I just don’t get the fuck the police stance. Unless you’re a criminal. Then I get it. If I had to I’d choose being a fireman over a cop 100% of the time. More money, less variables, no “anti fireman” rhetoric to deal with, not dealing with the absolute worst society has to offer every day, and tons of time to do side work and make even more money. 

I've never heard of firemen standing around waiting for someone else to run into the fire to do their job for them.

nicknyr15 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

has there ever been a song called "fuck the fire department"? if not, they must be doing something right. better than the police anyway.

What? The fire department don’t go after criminals. Pretty sure the gentleman who made that song had a shady lifestyle. I think only “fire” would say fuck the fire department. I get it. You hate cops. But this is a reach. 

i don't hate cops. i hate people who do not do their job when called upon to do so. i hate "good guys with guns" who do not do what they are trained to do. have you heard the summaries of the calls to 911 from the children inside that school? the kids were begging the dispatchers to send the police now.

the fire department runs into dangerous situations to save people every day. that is much more than i can say for the cops who stood by and left kids in that school with the gunman.

Ok. It’s just when someone makes donut jokes multiple times it adds to the idea that they just hate cops. Comparing firemen to cops is apples to oranges. And saying there’s no song called “fuck the fireman” is a huge reach to make your point. But yea. Fuck the police. Until you’re in trouble. Fuck these guys? Yea. But you don’t hear about every time an officer saves a life because they’re just doing their job and it’s not newsworthy. I just don’t get the fuck the police stance. Unless you’re a criminal. Then I get it. If I had to I’d choose being a fireman over a cop 100% of the time. More money, less variables, no “anti fireman” rhetoric to deal with, not dealing with the absolute worst society has to offer every day, and tons of time to do side work and make even more money. 

I've never heard of firemen standing around waiting for someone else to run into the fire to do their job for them.

Does that mean it never happened? I guess living in a big city with the FDNY and NYPD and knowing a lot of them gives me a different outlook on certain things. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

has there ever been a song called "fuck the fire department"? if not, they must be doing something right. better than the police anyway.

What? The fire department don’t go after criminals. Pretty sure the gentleman who made that song had a shady lifestyle. I think only “fire” would say fuck the fire department. I get it. You hate cops. But this is a reach. 

i don't hate cops. i hate people who do not do their job when called upon to do so. i hate "good guys with guns" who do not do what they are trained to do. have you heard the summaries of the calls to 911 from the children inside that school? the kids were begging the dispatchers to send the police now.

the fire department runs into dangerous situations to save people every day. that is much more than i can say for the cops who stood by and left kids in that school with the gunman.

Ok. It’s just when someone makes donut jokes multiple times it adds to the idea that they just hate cops. Comparing firemen to cops is apples to oranges. And saying there’s no song called “fuck the fireman” is a huge reach to make your point. But yea. Fuck the police. Until you’re in trouble. Fuck these guys? Yea. But you don’t hear about every time an officer saves a life because they’re just doing their job and it’s not newsworthy. I just don’t get the fuck the police stance. Unless you’re a criminal. Then I get it. If I had to I’d choose being a fireman over a cop 100% of the time. More money, less variables, no “anti fireman” rhetoric to deal with, not dealing with the absolute worst society has to offer every day, and tons of time to do side work and make even more money. 

so are we now supposed to praise government employees for doing what they are supposed to do? doing what their job is?

you do not get the "fuck the police" stance? where have you been the last 5 years with cops always killing unarmed black men? have you not been in the george floyd thread? have you not been reading about the racist cops and police culture over the years? what about how the thin blue line protects dirty cops? come on, man.

we all do our jobs every day without a thank you. we do our jobs every day without a pat on the back. and we do not expect one. you know why? because we do our job that we signed up to do. these cops here not only did not go in that building to engage the shooter, but they kept others from going in since the police would not act. they roughed up and detained parents for trying to save their kids. they did not go in when kids were calling 911 from inside the classroom begging for the dispatcher to send in the cops right away. they told feds to stay out of the building. the cops that did go in went in to find their own kids and left when they found them.  i will not praise these guys. i will not thank them. because they did not even do the bare minimum of what is expected of them. then the department and the governor lied about it. they are now admitting they made mistakes because the timeline does not add up. they failed, and then they lied about it. they should be held accountable.

You hate cops. It’s all good. I don’t understand the fuck the police. I never defended these cops or any of the other cops you mentioned. They’re pieces of shit. Do you demand perfection in any other profession? There’s garbage people in every profession. A cop should be held accountable like anyone else. But fuck the police? No. Sorry. You say fuck the teachers because every now and then one molests a minor? I feel differently and there’s nothing wrong with us disagreeing. Unfortunately like everything else in this country police have become political and I think that has a lot to do with it. If trump said fuck the police, there would be a different reaction from some folks.

talk to some minorities. there's not many black folk up here in winnipeg, but I know the indigenous population holds the same view. 

nicknyr15 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

has there ever been a song called "fuck the fire department"? if not, they must be doing something right. better than the police anyway.

What? The fire department don’t go after criminals. Pretty sure the gentleman who made that song had a shady lifestyle. I think only “fire” would say fuck the fire department. I get it. You hate cops. But this is a reach. 

i don't hate cops. i hate people who do not do their job when called upon to do so. i hate "good guys with guns" who do not do what they are trained to do. have you heard the summaries of the calls to 911 from the children inside that school? the kids were begging the dispatchers to send the police now.

the fire department runs into dangerous situations to save people every day. that is much more than i can say for the cops who stood by and left kids in that school with the gunman.

Ok. It’s just when someone makes donut jokes multiple times it adds to the idea that they just hate cops. Comparing firemen to cops is apples to oranges. And saying there’s no song called “fuck the fireman” is a huge reach to make your point. But yea. Fuck the police. Until you’re in trouble. Fuck these guys? Yea. But you don’t hear about every time an officer saves a life because they’re just doing their job and it’s not newsworthy. I just don’t get the fuck the police stance. Unless you’re a criminal. Then I get it. If I had to I’d choose being a fireman over a cop 100% of the time. More money, less variables, no “anti fireman” rhetoric to deal with, not dealing with the absolute worst society has to offer every day, and tons of time to do side work and make even more money. 

so are we now supposed to praise government employees for doing what they are supposed to do? doing what their job is?

you do not get the "fuck the police" stance? where have you been the last 5 years with cops always killing unarmed black men? have you not been in the george floyd thread? have you not been reading about the racist cops and police culture over the years? what about how the thin blue line protects dirty cops? come on, man.

we all do our jobs every day without a thank you. we do our jobs every day without a pat on the back. and we do not expect one. you know why? because we do our job that we signed up to do. these cops here not only did not go in that building to engage the shooter, but they kept others from going in since the police would not act. they roughed up and detained parents for trying to save their kids. they did not go in when kids were calling 911 from inside the classroom begging for the dispatcher to send in the cops right away. they told feds to stay out of the building. the cops that did go in went in to find their own kids and left when they found them.  i will not praise these guys. i will not thank them. because they did not even do the bare minimum of what is expected of them. then the department and the governor lied about it. they are now admitting they made mistakes because the timeline does not add up. they failed, and then they lied about it. they should be held accountable.

You hate cops. It’s all good. I don’t understand the fuck the police. I never defended these cops or any of the other cops you mentioned. They’re pieces of shit. Do you demand perfection in any other profession? There’s garbage people in every profession. A cop should be held accountable like anyone else. But fuck the police? No. Sorry. You say fuck the teachers because every now and then one molests a minor? I feel differently and there’s nothing wrong with us disagreeing. Unfortunately like everything else in this country police have become political and I think that has a lot to do with it. If trump said fuck the police, there would be a different reaction from some folks.

talk to some minorities. there's not many black folk up here in winnipeg, but I know the indigenous population holds the same view. 

No offense but I grew up in Brooklyn around all kinds of people. I’ve heard more privilege upper class white people say fuck the police than people of color. You can’t compare Winnipeg to NYC. Two completely different perspectives. 

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

has there ever been a song called "fuck the fire department"? if not, they must be doing something right. better than the police anyway.

What? The fire department don’t go after criminals. Pretty sure the gentleman who made that song had a shady lifestyle. I think only “fire” would say fuck the fire department. I get it. You hate cops. But this is a reach. 

i don't hate cops. i hate people who do not do their job when called upon to do so. i hate "good guys with guns" who do not do what they are trained to do. have you heard the summaries of the calls to 911 from the children inside that school? the kids were begging the dispatchers to send the police now.

the fire department runs into dangerous situations to save people every day. that is much more than i can say for the cops who stood by and left kids in that school with the gunman.

Ok. It’s just when someone makes donut jokes multiple times it adds to the idea that they just hate cops. Comparing firemen to cops is apples to oranges. And saying there’s no song called “fuck the fireman” is a huge reach to make your point. But yea. Fuck the police. Until you’re in trouble. Fuck these guys? Yea. But you don’t hear about every time an officer saves a life because they’re just doing their job and it’s not newsworthy. I just don’t get the fuck the police stance. Unless you’re a criminal. Then I get it. If I had to I’d choose being a fireman over a cop 100% of the time. More money, less variables, no “anti fireman” rhetoric to deal with, not dealing with the absolute worst society has to offer every day, and tons of time to do side work and make even more money. 

so are we now supposed to praise government employees for doing what they are supposed to do? doing what their job is?

you do not get the "fuck the police" stance? where have you been the last 5 years with cops always killing unarmed black men? have you not been in the george floyd thread? have you not been reading about the racist cops and police culture over the years? what about how the thin blue line protects dirty cops? come on, man.

we all do our jobs every day without a thank you. we do our jobs every day without a pat on the back. and we do not expect one. you know why? because we do our job that we signed up to do. these cops here not only did not go in that building to engage the shooter, but they kept others from going in since the police would not act. they roughed up and detained parents for trying to save their kids. they did not go in when kids were calling 911 from inside the classroom begging for the dispatcher to send in the cops right away. they told feds to stay out of the building. the cops that did go in went in to find their own kids and left when they found them.  i will not praise these guys. i will not thank them. because they did not even do the bare minimum of what is expected of them. then the department and the governor lied about it. they are now admitting they made mistakes because the timeline does not add up. they failed, and then they lied about it. they should be held accountable.

You hate cops. It’s all good. I don’t understand the fuck the police. I never defended these cops or any of the other cops you mentioned. They’re pieces of shit. Do you demand perfection in any other profession? There’s garbage people in every profession. A cop should be held accountable like anyone else. But fuck the police? No. Sorry. You say fuck the teachers because every now and then one molests a minor? I feel differently and there’s nothing wrong with us disagreeing. Unfortunately like everything else in this country police have become political and I think that has a lot to do with it. If trump said fuck the police, there would be a different reaction from some folks.

Well, if we’re being honest, POOTWH gave a huge fuck you to the police on 1/6. No denying that. In fact, he was gleeful when they were being physically assaulted and some nearly beaten to death. Pretty big fuck you to cops.