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Police Reform (Please Don’t Call It Defund)

This is how democracy should work. This is how grown ups address an issue. Is it overdue? Sure. Is it perfect? No. Will it make a difference? Time will tell. But it’s the start of a dialog and hopefully, a continuing evolution to make policing better and a safer , more livable society.

And reports of some police departments having a trained psychologist or psychiatrist on staff that goes out on calls to de-escalate situations, resulting in cost savings and better outcomes, is encouraging. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,186
    This is how democracy should work. This is how grown ups address an issue. Is it overdue? Sure. Is it perfect? No. Will it make a difference? Time will tell. But it’s the start of a dialog and hopefully, a continuing evolution to make policing better and a safer , more livable society.

    And reports of some police departments having a trained psychologist or psychiatrist on staff that goes out on calls to de-escalate situations, resulting in cost savings and better outcomes, is encouraging. 

    $414 Million
    or 11.5% of the Boston's entire budget

    Police are overfunded and America continues to be a police state
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  • Hobbes said:
    Good article.  Didn't Baltimore do a form of this too?
  • Seems Moscow Mitchy Baby wanted to and did defund the police. I wasn’t aware that he was ANTIIIIIIIIIFA.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/23/republicans-just-voted-defund-police/

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  • HobbesHobbes Pacific NorthwestPosts: 4,860
    Hobbes said:
    Good article.  Didn't Baltimore do a form of this too?
    Not sure about Baltimore. If so, that's cool. I know Denver has a program.

    Mental health professionals replace police on some Denver 911 calls under new program (denverpost.com)
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,868
    Republicans just voted to defund the police
    Opinion by Dana Milbank

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/23/republicans-just-voted-defund-police/



    Republicans just voted to defund the police

    What protesters mean by 'defund the police'
    Author Alex S. Vitale, who wrote “The End of Policing,” predicts that the movements to defund the police will “only get stronger.” He tells The Post why. (The Washington Post)
    Opinion by
    Columnist
    Dec. 23, 2020 at 6:07 p.m. EST

    President Trump and Republicans campaigned in 2020 by scaring Americans into thinking Democrats would “defund the police” and unleash a crime spree.

    This helped Republicans keep control of the Senate (for now) and grow their numbers in the House. So what are they doing to celebrate? Why, they’re defunding the police — as violent crime surges.

    GOP leaders over the past week defeated efforts to help states and cities that are facing cutbacks to public safety and other services because of the pandemic-caused budget crisis. They claimed this would amount to what Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) called a “blue state bailout.” In reality, it was more of a “blue bailout” — and police in blue and red states alike are now on the chopping block.

    “Despite the clear evidence that shrinking revenue in cities across the country is leading to job loss and the reduction of critical services like public safety,” the bipartisan U.S. Conference of Mayors protested this week, “Congress chose to turn its back on first responders, police, firefighters and other essential workers.”

    This isn’t theoretical. In large part because of the federal government’s months-long refusal to help, localities across the country are involuntarily defunding the police in real time.

    Dayton, Ohio, is no longer planning to hire a new class of police in 2021 because of the budget crisis. Though trying to protect public safety, Dayton reportedly plans a small reduction in existing police jobs.

    This week, 12 local elected officials in Georgia wrote the state’s two U.S. senators (who both face runoff elections) to say the covid-19 package “fails to provide vital funds for essential workers in local governments: workers like teachers, firefighters and law enforcement.”

    Oakland, Calif., announced Sunday that it was cutting “$20 million in public safety expenditure.” The city’s police chief had warned that “each of these critical overtime and program cuts reduce vital prevention, intervention, and safety services.” Oakland hadn’t implemented police cuts because of the defund movement, but the budget crisis leaves no choice.

    Los Angeles has been wrestling with possible cuts to the LAPD of more than 600 officers and employees. The city is reducing policing programs — not, primarily, because of “defund” activists but because the city is broke.

    Pittsburgh has considered cutting 200 police officers. Jurisdictions ranging from sprawling Dallas to little Hazelton, Pa., have moved toward reducing police pay and overtime. Illinois is contemplating $71 million in cuts to public safety. In Michigan, cities are begging the state for help avoiding cuts to police.

    An August study by the Police Executive Research Forum, a police-leader membership organization, found that, of 258 police agencies questioned, 48 percent expected budget cuts or already had dealt with cuts. Among large police departments, 58 percent expected or had experienced cuts. Only 16 percent overall had or expected increases.

    PERF’s director, Chuck Wexler, sees the expectation unfolding, with delays in police hiring, cuts in overtime, training and technology, and the first indications of layoffs. Compounding the problem, he told me, is “you have this huge spike in violent crime” after decades of decline. Though federal statistics lag, PERF calculates that homicides were up 28 percent in the first nine months of 2020. (Aggravated assaults increased, too — though, happily, rapes and robberies declined.)

    There are various explanations: economic collapse, closed schools, police holding back because of police-misconduct criticism or numbers stretched thin by demonstrations. Whatever the cause, “the reality on the ground is significant spikes in homicides across the country, and that just seems to be being missed,” Wexler said.

    It’s easy to miss as Trump and his aides stir up chaos in the final weeks of his presidency: throwing the just-passed covid relief bill into doubt, risking a government shutdown, pardoning lawbreaking former aides and Republican lawmakers, handcuffing the Federal Reserve, undermining faith in the election, and winking at a Russian cyberattack on the United States.

    But the refusal to help states and cities in the pandemic-caused fiscal crisis (McConnell once suggested letting them go bankrupt) is dangerous. As the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities points out, 1.3 million state and local workers have lost their jobs since February. About 1 million of those losses have come in education, but it’s happening to public safety workers, too.

    Washington’s refusal to help states and localities is, ironically, doing more to defund the police than the left’s “defund” movement could. Though there are exceptions (New York, Austin, Seattle), a Bloomberg News study in September concluded that, overall, the defund “rallying cry hasn’t translated into reality.”

    Trump and Republicans were correct when they warned of a threat to public safety. But the perpetrators weren’t “leftist” militants or Black Lives Matter activists. The culprits are Republicans who promised “law and order” but, with their votes, defunded the police.


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  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 177

    Things that make you Hmmmm.....Can’t quite put my finger on it..
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,361

    Things that make you Hmmmm.....Can’t quite put my finger on it..
    Things that make me Hmmmmm...

    -Your consistent lack of source information of any kind that indicates whether you got this on 4Chan or Fox or a place reasonably interested in sharing facts
    -Your reliance on partial information to inauthentically prove a point
    -The absence of context (i.e. do you think maybe a fucking pandemic that ravaged lives and economies has something to do with it?)
    -The absence of any prospective solution
    -The fact that people would rather get a rise out of each other and be the winner of an argument, than do something productive with their time in an era where people are dying due to negligence

    Happy fucking new year, and thank you for the reminder that educating the uneducated is the only catalyst to fixing these messes. 2020 is gone, but the stupid and the selfish still need to be addressed. 
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,361
    Also, for anyone who wants to see why the above posted by @lindamarie73and her insinuation of Democratic-led murder increases is bullshit, check this out. 

    https://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/murders-crime-shootings-protests-riots-trump-biden
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  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 177
    benjs said:

    Things that make you Hmmmm.....Can’t quite put my finger on it..
    Things that make me Hmmmmm...

    -Your consistent lack of source information of any kind that indicates whether you got this on 4Chan or Fox or a place reasonably interested in sharing facts
    -Your reliance on partial information to inauthentically prove a point
    -The absence of context (i.e. do you think maybe a fucking pandemic that ravaged lives and economies has something to do with it?)
    -The absence of any prospective solution
    -The fact that people would rather get a rise out of each other and be the winner of an argument, than do something productive with their time in an era where people are dying due to negligence

    Happy fucking new year, and thank you for the reminder that educating the uneducated is the only catalyst to fixing these messes. 2020 is gone, but the stupid and the selfish still need to be addressed. 
    Wow, struck a nerve apparently.  I can do w/o the insults, but that’s ok.  It’s typical around here when one does not follow the company line on this moving train.  Happy New Year y’all.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    It’s also typical around here for some posters to post memes that purport something but then offer up some lame conclusion or none at all. Freedumb after all, isn’t free.
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    Mental note, don’t piss off @benjs

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 177
    It’s also typical around here for some posters to post memes that purport something but then offer up some lame conclusion or none at all. Freedumb after all, isn’t free.
    One would think its best to draw up your own conclusions....those things that make you go hmmm.  Choose to see it, or not....

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    It’s also typical around here for some posters to post memes that purport something but then offer up some lame conclusion or none at all. Freedumb after all, isn’t free.
    One would think its best to draw up your own conclusions....those things that make you go hmmm.  Choose to see it, or not....

    What’s your conclusion other than hmmmmm? I think I can guess but it’s better not to assume someone’s conclusion drawn from a meme.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,006

    Things that make you Hmmmm.....Can’t quite put my finger on it..

    So Linda, as Ben mentioned, no source of this meme.  I can't help but wonder what source would refer to any city as being "pro-criminal".  Do they mottos like, "More crime/ Less safety!" or what? A very odd notion.
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  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 177
    brianlux said:

    Things that make you Hmmmm.....Can’t quite put my finger on it..

    So Linda, as Ben mentioned, no source of this meme.  I can't help but wonder what source would refer to any city as being "pro-criminal".  Do they mottos like, "More crime/ Less safety!" or what? A very odd notion.
    So now one needs to cite sources from memes that make people feel uneasy?  I’ll have to remember that...lol
    I’ll tell you this Brian since you are one of the few I take seriously on the train...we spend half our year in the Chicago area, and if you know anything about Shitcago, it truly has become pro-criminal w/ the leadership of its pathetic Excuse for a mayor Lori Lightfoot and States Attorney of Crook county Kim Fox .   Fox literally got elected and recently re-elected on a platform of criminal justice reform, emphasizing policies such as diverting low-level offenders to treatment programs rather than prisons, addressing wrongful convictions, and dealing more aggressively with police misconduct.....Some of the very things many who ride this train seem to be very passionate about. 
    So I actually think you are on to something for a new meme you wrote  above Brian w/ the “More Crime/Less Safety”.  It’s kind of catchy, But it’s too truthful for any Chicago Politician or elected official to endorse....

  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,063
    brianlux said:

    Things that make you Hmmmm.....Can’t quite put my finger on it..

    So Linda, as Ben mentioned, no source of this meme.  I can't help but wonder what source would refer to any city as being "pro-criminal".  Do they mottos like, "More crime/ Less safety!" or what? A very odd notion.
    So now one needs to cite sources from memes that make people feel uneasy?  I’ll have to remember that...lol
    I’ll tell you this Brian since you are one of the few I take seriously on the train...we spend half our year in the Chicago area, and if you know anything about Shitcago, it truly has become pro-criminal w/ the leadership of its pathetic Excuse for a mayor Lori Lightfoot and States Attorney of Crook county Kim Fox .   Fox literally got elected and recently re-elected on a platform of criminal justice reform, emphasizing policies such as diverting low-level offenders to treatment programs rather than prisons, addressing wrongful convictions, and dealing more aggressively with police misconduct.....Some of the very things many who ride this train seem to be very passionate about. 
    So I actually think you are on to something for a new meme you wrote  above Brian w/ the “More Crime/Less Safety”.  It’s kind of catchy, But it’s too truthful for any Chicago Politician or elected official to endorse....


    Generally yes, it's important to cite the sources of information you are posting. That applies pretty much across the board. If you were regularly reading posts here you would see people including sources, and people asking if a source is not included. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,006
    brianlux said:

    Things that make you Hmmmm.....Can’t quite put my finger on it..

    So Linda, as Ben mentioned, no source of this meme.  I can't help but wonder what source would refer to any city as being "pro-criminal".  Do they mottos like, "More crime/ Less safety!" or what? A very odd notion.
    So now one needs to cite sources from memes that make people feel uneasy?  I’ll have to remember that...lol
    I’ll tell you this Brian since you are one of the few I take seriously on the train...we spend half our year in the Chicago area, and if you know anything about Shitcago, it truly has become pro-criminal w/ the leadership of its pathetic Excuse for a mayor Lori Lightfoot and States Attorney of Crook county Kim Fox .   Fox literally got elected and recently re-elected on a platform of criminal justice reform, emphasizing policies such as diverting low-level offenders to treatment programs rather than prisons, addressing wrongful convictions, and dealing more aggressively with police misconduct.....Some of the very things many who ride this train seem to be very passionate about. 
    So I actually think you are on to something for a new meme you wrote  above Brian w/ the “More Crime/Less Safety”.  It’s kind of catchy, But it’s too truthful for any Chicago Politician or elected official to endorse....


    I'm not in the least bit uneasy, Linda.  I'm smooth sailing with the highly successful sound of wonderful radio London.

    Yeah, Chicago is a tough town, I'll grant you that (been there a few times), but "pro-criminal"?  I don't understand that.  I mean, who beside criminals benefit from crime?  And "pro-criminal" would indicate that the majority of people are for it and I know people in Chicago and if the majority wanted crime, they wouldn't be there.   And like every city, it has its boroughs, districts, neighborhoods.  They're not all bad, right?

    And I've been to all most all those towns and I don't think of a one of them as "pro-crime".  I hope your town isn't!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,006
    Oh, and in case you're not familiar with it, listen to the end (or all of!) this song:



    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 23,160
    Was that even considered a meme?  I can't stand memes when someone uses them instead of actually articulating a thought.  It strikes me as lazy.

    And, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a source; rather, I find it unreasonable to not back up one's assertion, whether it's a popular one or not.
  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 177
    hedonist said:
    Was that even considered a meme?  I can't stand memes when someone uses them instead of actually articulating a thought.  It strikes me as lazy.

    And, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a source; rather, I find it unreasonable to not back up one's assertion, whether it's a popular one or not.
    Lazy 4 sure.....But I am just going to go out on a limb here to say the increase in murders in this most controversial meme are pretty accurate....I know they are in Chiraq ....
    but by all memes, (lol) someone please do some fact checking.  I know y’all love doing that.....
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,006
    Fact is, I'm heading out for my daily walk.  Hope to see more facts here later. 
    Happy New Year, we're off to a rip-roaring start her on the train. :smile:
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    hedonist said:
    Was that even considered a meme?  I can't stand memes when someone uses them instead of actually articulating a thought.  It strikes me as lazy.

    And, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a source; rather, I find it unreasonable to not back up one's assertion, whether it's a popular one or not.
    Lazy 4 sure.....But I am just going to go out on a limb here to say the increase in murders in this most controversial meme are pretty accurate....I know they are in Chiraq ....
    but by all memes, (lol) someone please do some fact checking.  I know y’all love doing that.....
    Fact checking already occurred. Read the Vox article or the WaPo had a similar article yesterday. You know Google, right?
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,063
    hedonist said:
    Was that even considered a meme?  I can't stand memes when someone uses them instead of actually articulating a thought.  It strikes me as lazy.

    And, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a source; rather, I find it unreasonable to not back up one's assertion, whether it's a popular one or not.
    Lazy 4 sure.....But I am just going to go out on a limb here to say the increase in murders in this most controversial meme are pretty accurate....I know they are in Chiraq ....
    but by all memes, (lol) someone please do some fact checking.  I know y’all love doing that.....

    Fact checking already demonstrated that the increase in murder rate applies to both the R and the BigBadDem cities equally. 
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,361
    mcgruff10 said:
    Mental note, don’t piss off @benjs

    Mcgruff, always love your posts - you're authentic, and clearly here to discuss, learn, and teach. 
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,361
    hedonist said:
    Was that even considered a meme?  I can't stand memes when someone uses them instead of actually articulating a thought.  It strikes me as lazy.

    And, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a source; rather, I find it unreasonable to not back up one's assertion, whether it's a popular one or not.
    Lazy 4 sure.....But I am just going to go out on a limb here to say the increase in murders in this most controversial meme are pretty accurate....I know they are in Chiraq ....
    but by all memes, (lol) someone please do some fact checking.  I know y’all love doing that.....
    You don't present sources, so I don't think anything you post needs fact checking, rather we should just assume it's bullshit. 
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  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 177
    benjs said:
    hedonist said:
    Was that even considered a meme?  I can't stand memes when someone uses them instead of actually articulating a thought.  It strikes me as lazy.

    And, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a source; rather, I find it unreasonable to not back up one's assertion, whether it's a popular one or not.
    Lazy 4 sure.....But I am just going to go out on a limb here to say the increase in murders in this most controversial meme are pretty accurate....I know they are in Chiraq ....
    but by all memes, (lol) someone please do some fact checking.  I know y’all love doing that.....
    You don't present sources, so I don't think anything you post needs fact checking, rather we should just assume it's bullshit. 
    And certain politicians count on that.....sheep sheep 
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,361
    benjs said:
    hedonist said:
    Was that even considered a meme?  I can't stand memes when someone uses them instead of actually articulating a thought.  It strikes me as lazy.

    And, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a source; rather, I find it unreasonable to not back up one's assertion, whether it's a popular one or not.
    Lazy 4 sure.....But I am just going to go out on a limb here to say the increase in murders in this most controversial meme are pretty accurate....I know they are in Chiraq ....
    but by all memes, (lol) someone please do some fact checking.  I know y’all love doing that.....
    You don't present sources, so I don't think anything you post needs fact checking, rather we should just assume it's bullshit. 
    And certain politicians count on that.....sheep sheep 
    Where'd you get the talking points you're repeating? How come you won't share where they're from? How come it's written like a politicized hack job instead of a genuine poll? How come there are no stats about other cities for comparison's sake - don't you compare apples to apples instead of apples to nothing at all? 

    We're asking for a gram of evidence that what looks disingenuous or flat-out bullshit, isn't. You're accepting it sight unseen. And we're the sheep.

    Baaaaah.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,667
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Mental note, don’t piss off @benjs

    Mcgruff, always love your posts - you're authentic, and clearly here to discuss, learn, and teach. 
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