2022 North American rumour thread take 2

Choska · February 2022

"The insurers are the ones making these dictates. This is not the Rolling Stones or Elton John [making these calls]. This is the insurers. They are insisting that they won’t pay out if you cancel because of Covid. That’s the first thing. And secondly, if they do pay out, they only pay out 85 percent. And thirdly, they up their charges from 2.5 percent to 5 percent and now to 8 percent of the gross income on a tour."

Now I'm curious if this isn't the real reason why the new dates haven't been announced yet. Those tickets were priced and sold pre-Covid. Now the band has substantially more costs to tour due to Covid. I wonder if the reason for the delay in the tour rescheduling are a function of the fact that costs for the tour, as well as the economic risks from rescheduling the shows, have gone up substantially while the revenue is locked in.

JojoRice · February 2022

JBob87 said:

3days said:

P34RL J4MM3R said:

Weston1283 said:

Current available seats for EV in LA. Insane.

Thanks for sharing Weston, That is truly BONKERS. We are definitely in a new era. There is no way that is the case even 2 years ago. This truly shows the effects of Covid. It's like all the people at the airport saying "The terrorists won, because they changed our lives forever" with all the extra security measures. Same with Covid, it won, because it changed our lives forever.

I hear what you're saying, but is it also the change of date (lots of Pearl Jam fans travel)? Or is it TM releasing SO many tickets after the initial sale at hyperinflated prices?

IMO it's all of the above that seems to be pushing down demand.

1. Crazy prices / TM platinum...somewhat justifiably as insurance costs and inflation are through the roof (plus the need to make up some lost income from 2020-21), but many people also are spending their previous concert budget elsewhere (look at vinyl prices, for example) and/or are also getting squeezed elsewhere with inflation

2. Hesitancy to attend shows or travel out of COVID fear, and potentially also some people not wanting to comply with venue COVID policies and staying home for that reason

3. Date changes, fear of cancellation or rescheduling leading to more people purchasing tickets week or day of an event

I am blessed to live a 10-15min trip from numerous venues and have tried to take advantage of the situation. Have scored absolutely unthinkable deals on great seats several times over the last 6 months or so.

I do expect PJ to be different, however. PJ tickets have always been next level in terms of demand.

Spot on as to why there's so many tickets available. It's a combination of all of those things.

RatherStarved · February 2022

JojoRice said:

JBob87 said:

3days said:

P34RL J4MM3R said:

Weston1283 said:

Current available seats for EV in LA. Insane.

Thanks for sharing Weston, That is truly BONKERS. We are definitely in a new era. There is no way that is the case even 2 years ago. This truly shows the effects of Covid. It's like all the people at the airport saying "The terrorists won, because they changed our lives forever" with all the extra security measures. Same with Covid, it won, because it changed our lives forever.

I hear what you're saying, but is it also the change of date (lots of Pearl Jam fans travel)? Or is it TM releasing SO many tickets after the initial sale at hyperinflated prices?

IMO it's all of the above that seems to be pushing down demand.

1. Crazy prices / TM platinum...somewhat justifiably as insurance costs and inflation are through the roof (plus the need to make up some lost income from 2020-21), but many people also are spending their previous concert budget elsewhere (look at vinyl prices, for example) and/or are also getting squeezed elsewhere with inflation

2. Hesitancy to attend shows or travel out of COVID fear, and potentially also some people not wanting to comply with venue COVID policies and staying home for that reason

3. Date changes, fear of cancellation or rescheduling leading to more people purchasing tickets week or day of an event

I am blessed to live a 10-15min trip from numerous venues and have tried to take advantage of the situation. Have scored absolutely unthinkable deals on great seats several times over the last 6 months or so.

I do expect PJ to be different, however. PJ tickets have always been next level in terms of demand.

Spot on as to why there's so many tickets available. It's a combination of all of those things.

I’d also add that the LA venue is 6-7k which is a lot bigger than the other EV venues and the fact that he played Ohana for two weekends last fall.

tonywellington · February 2022

Canada is full venues in mid March for all 2020 shows that need to be rescheduled. I expect to see PJ in May.

PJNB · February 2022

Today is not the day... again.....

cincybearcat · February 2022

I see mudhoney is touring in my area in May. If PJ doesn’t announce soon it’ll be another band I don’t see as I wait….

JeBurkhardt · February 2022

cincybearcat said:

I see mudhoney is touring in my area in May. If PJ doesn’t announce soon it’ll be another band I don’t see as I wait….

I went ahead and bought Mudhoney tickets for STL on May 5th. If STL is rescheduled in May, I doubt it would that early. If they are the same night, then the Mudhoney tickets were pretty cheap, so if I have to eat them it won't be the end of the world.

cincybearcat · February 2022

JeBurkhardt said:

cincybearcat said:

I see mudhoney is touring in my area in May. If PJ doesn’t announce soon it’ll be another band I don’t see as I wait….

I went ahead and bought Mudhoney tickets for STL on May 5th. If STL is rescheduled in May, I doubt it would that early. If they are the same night, then the Mudhoney tickets were pretty cheap, so if I have to eat them it won't be the end of the world.

That’s cool. I’m just not going to buy others until I know for sure. Not worth it.

JeBurkhardt · February 2022

cincybearcat said:

JeBurkhardt said:

cincybearcat said:

I see mudhoney is touring in my area in May. If PJ doesn’t announce soon it’ll be another band I don’t see as I wait….

I went ahead and bought Mudhoney tickets for STL on May 5th. If STL is rescheduled in May, I doubt it would that early. If they are the same night, then the Mudhoney tickets were pretty cheap, so if I have to eat them it won't be the end of the world.

That’s cool. I’m just not going to buy others until I know for sure. Not worth it.

True, had the Mudhoney ones not been so cheap, I doubt I would have done it. I have purposely avoided planning or booking anything expensive for May up till now for that reason.

woolyman · February 2022

tonywellington said:

Canada is full venues in mid March for all 2020 shows that need to be rescheduled. I expect to see PJ in May.

March 1 - Ontario is full capacity... even better.

dmbolp · February 2022

It's also the TM holdback/release schedule...98% of those tickets weren't available for months. Yes, some pairs are FTF sales particularly due to the date change, but all those entire rows are new releases by TM

estarr31 · February 2022

Regarding concerns over PJ touring again and dealing with the (very valid) logistical nightmare from insurers (this is a big one) to crew to covid bubbles...ugh...they did reschedule the whole Europe tour. So they're moving forward. It's just a question of how and when.

And as others have mentioned, trying to finish the tour in May could be very different in logistics than a new one next Fall. However, the insurance issues are very likely the same and the COVID restrictions for the band/crew may be directly tied to insurers so it could be difficult to project a more lax environment in the Fall even though that's likely happening.

pjhawks · February 2022

Philadelphia today removed proof of vaccinations for Wells Fargo Center so games and concerts do not require it anymore (at least for now)

Weston1283 · February 2022

pjhawks said:

Philadelphia today removed proof of vaccinations for Wells Fargo Center so games and concerts do not require it anymore (at least for now)

Another good sign. As we have seen with most restrictions, it just takes someone to start the cascade, then the rest of the world tends to follow the leader

OceansJenny · February 2022

Will they have to build in “buffer weeks” of no shows in case they need to reschedule dates due to band/crew Covid positive case? Not sure if they can pull off a long stretch of dates in one go - would certainly be a dice roll.

Will ticket sales be down due to reduction of traveling fans due to fear of cancelation? All of those available EV tickets are alarming. Will be curious to see how many sell before they hit the stage.

Rescheduling and ticket refunding surely changes the economics. Plus insurance costs as stated.

If MSG is the venue with the highest demand and lowest refunds - bring it on! Be like Rage and do 5 nights.

HughFreakingDillon · February 2022

just give me my money back already. I've known for months I can't make the show, no matter when they schedule it.

OceansJenny · February 2022

HughFreakingDillon said:

just give me my money back already. I've known for months I can't make the show, no matter when they schedule it.

Is the refund window closed?

HughFreakingDillon · February 2022

OceansJenny said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

just give me my money back already. I've known for months I can't make the show, no matter when they schedule it.

Is the refund window closed?

it's never been opened for me (canadian ticketmaster)

Red Mosquito · February 2022

My job requires my vacation dates through August to be requested by Feb. 28. I have tickets for Denver through L.A. So I'm really sweating this one out. No idea how I navigate that if PJ announces spring/summer tour after my vacation window closes.

KL159781 · February 2022

tonywellington said:

Canada is full venues in mid March for all 2020 shows that need to be rescheduled. I expect to see PJ in May.

You have to take into account that whatever venues are planned for May would have been booked by the fall, when Canadian dates were far more uncertain than anywhere in the US. I wouldn't expect Canadian dates in May unless Pearl Jam took the gamble and booked them months ago with the plan to push them back if they weren’t doable.

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