Youth sports

JK_Livin
JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
edited December 2013 in All Encompassing Trip
So my son is trying to make the 11yr old baseball district (A) team for our town. As a 9yr old he was on the A team. As a 10yr old he dropped to the B team. I do not get along with one of the coaches on this team my son is trying to make. He did some shady stuff to get his son moved up the chain and he's not a very good coach to begin with. This is all public knowledge within the community.

For the rec season, I requested that my son would not play for this guy. I haven't spoken to this guy in a year. He comes up to me at my son's game yesterday and asks me if it's true that I wouldn't let my son play for him. I said very calmly and civilly that may be the case and you should pick your team and we'll make our decision. He tells me not to be an asshole. I was laughing on the inside. The convo kind of trailed off because my daughter came up.

He's also on the board of our baseball league and probably got the information about our coaching request through someone else on the board. My question is, why would he come to me and ask me that question when he knows the answer already?

For the record, the only reason I'd want my kid on the A team is because he wants it. He is well aware that he will have more fun and get more playing time on the B team.

I guess I could have more serious issues to worry about but the politics of youth sports is nasty.
Alright, alright, alright!
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
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  • Empty Glass
    Empty Glass In Rob's shed Posts: 12,329
    I can't stand the politics. I don't understand the need to win a 7-8 year old league. I try to make my team better and assist other teams players. I mention something to a kid, trying to help him out and the coach says "I can handle it, worry about your own team" or something like that.

    The league is a township league. All the kids are going to go to the same high school. In the big picture, they are all on the same team.
    I've met Rob

    DEGENERATE FUK

    This place is dead

    "THERE ARE NO CLIQUES, ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T JOIN THE FUN" - Empty circa 2015

    "Kfsbho&$thncds" - F Me In the Brain - circa 2015
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    The coaches are more worried about their win loss record than actually teaching the kids how to play, especially this guy.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • Empty Glass
    Empty Glass In Rob's shed Posts: 12,329
    We're having a 7-8 year old tourney after the season with a couple of nearby towns. I may volunteer to ump to toss some of these hardcore assholes out of the game :lol:
    I've met Rob

    DEGENERATE FUK

    This place is dead

    "THERE ARE NO CLIQUES, ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T JOIN THE FUN" - Empty circa 2015

    "Kfsbho&$thncds" - F Me In the Brain - circa 2015
  • Jamminonthe1
    Jamminonthe1 Posts: 1,243
    Best part is that 20-25 will play on a varsity team in high school, and that's counting four grades worth of players. Parents spend so much time, effort and money to get their kids to a higher level that for most will never come. And — for the most part — the kids just want to play with their friends.
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    How can you be a travel basketball coach, 6th grade, and not work on fundamentals like, FT's, rebounding, passing during every practice? They don't even run suicides!!! The games are harder than the practices. It's driving me crazy.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • FrankieG
    FrankieG Abingdon MD Posts: 9,100
    He came up to ask you because he wanted to confront you, make sure that you know that he knows your request, and to start a fight.

    When I was 14? I played baseball for the rec league, we went 2-17. Switched to a different league because of politics and then won 2nd place! That was my only 2 years playing because I sucked but still had fun despite the record/worring about winning so much.
    2003: 7/14 NJ ... 2006: 6/1 NJ, 6/3 NJ ... 2007: 8/5 IL ... 2008: 6/24 NY, 6/25 NY, 8/7 EV NJ ... 2009: 10/27 PA, 10/28 PA, 10/30 PA, 10/31 PA
    2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
    2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA
    2022: 9/14 NJ ... 2024: 5/28 WA, 9/7 PA, 9/9 PA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    FrankieG wrote:
    He came up to ask you because he wanted to confront you, make sure that you know that he knows your request, and to start a fight.

    When I was 14? I played baseball for the rec league, we went 2-17. Switched to a different league because of politics and then won 2nd place! That was my only 2 years playing because I sucked but still had fun despite the record/worring about winning so much.

    I'm asking those questions about my son's coach.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,164
    I find the travel team thing to be really annoying and competitive, especially for kids under 12.

    My wife both agree that its just rec leagues until our kids are a bit older (they are 8 and 5).
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    Get_Right wrote:
    I find the travel team thing to be really annoying and competitive, especially for kids under 12.

    My wife both agree that its just rec leagues until our kids are a bit older (they are 8 and 5).


    Not a bad plan. The cream usually rises to the top, except for the politics involved.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,164
    JK_Livin wrote:
    Get_Right wrote:
    I find the travel team thing to be really annoying and competitive, especially for kids under 12.

    My wife both agree that its just rec leagues until our kids are a bit older (they are 8 and 5).


    Not a bad plan. The cream usually rises to the top, except for the politics involved.

    For now, we are just happy they are out there and having fun. The minute that stops we pull the plug. Of course, they are still young. Watching 5 year old girls play lacrosse is a hoot!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    as someone who has studied sports psychology, the literature and research concludes that up until age 11, kids do not care if they win or lose. all they care about is whether or not they have fun with their friends. people put too much pressure on these kids at such a young age. most kids eventually burn out because they do not want to feel that pressure from coaches or parents.

    when i was a kid i played in a church league that played 14 games. i played in that league from age 5 until 12, and then i switched to a much more competitive league where like 30 games were played. i did not play serious travel baseball until high school, and that is what prepared me for the 2 years of division 1 college ball i played.

    the thing parents have to be wary of is the "win at all costs" coaches at such a young age. these are the coaches who have no regard for the kid's safety. these are the coaches who will take one pitcher and ride him every game all year. i see kids like that weekly in our MD office. they end up with stress fractures in the growth plates of their elbows and shoulders. this is want is called "little league elbow" or "little league shoulder". if your kid has this injury, they are completely shut down from baseball and any use of that arm for 3 months. then they have to complete 3-5 weeks of physical therapy to regain strength after the injury. once PT is completed, then they can begin a graduated return to throw and return to pitching protocol, which takes about 3 weeks barring any setbacks. once they complete that then they can return to baseball with no restriction. if this fails, and if the injury looks bad on the mri, like if the growth plate is displaced, sometimes they need surgery.

    there are established pitch counts for every age group broken down by age (skeletally immature ages, up to age 16 for boys) that breaks down the maximum safe number of pitches per game, per week, per month, and per season. it also breaks down appropriate ages when they can start throwing breaking balls. these pitch counts were designed with injury prevention in mind. every kid we see with a little league elbow or shoulder was unaware of these pitch counts and the coaches kept the kids in there way beyond the maximum number of safe pitches.

    i guess the point of my post is just make sure the kids are having fun, don't put too much pressure on them, and make sure the coach adheres to the established pitch counts/safety standards.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    as someone who has studied sports psychology, the literature and research concludes that up until age 11, kids do not care if they win or lose. all they care about is whether or not they have fun with their friends. people put too much pressure on these kids at such a young age. most kids eventually burn out because they do not want to feel that pressure from coaches or parents.

    when i was a kid i played in a church league that played 14 games. i played in that league from age 5 until 12, and then i switched to a much more competitive league where like 30 games were played. i did not play serious travel baseball until high school, and that is what prepared me for the 2 years of division 1 college ball i played.

    the thing parents have to be wary of is the "win at all costs" coaches at such a young age. these are the coaches who have no regard for the kid's safety. these are the coaches who will take one pitcher and ride him every game all year. i see kids like that weekly in our MD office. they end up with stress fractures in the growth plates of their elbows and shoulders. this is want is called "little league elbow" or "little league shoulder". if your kid has this injury, they are completely shut down from baseball and any use of that arm for 3 months. then they have to complete 3-5 weeks of physical therapy to regain strength after the injury. once PT is completed, then they can begin a graduated return to throw and return to pitching protocol, which takes about 3 weeks barring any setbacks. once they complete that then they can return to baseball with no restriction. if this fails, and if the injury looks bad on the mri, like if the growth plate is displaced, sometimes they need surgery.

    there are established pitch counts for every age group broken down by age (skeletally immature ages, up to age 16 for boys) that breaks down the maximum safe number of pitches per game, per week, per month, and per season. it also breaks down appropriate ages when they can start throwing breaking balls. these pitch counts were designed with injury prevention in mind. every kid we see with a little league elbow or shoulder was unaware of these pitch counts and the coaches kept the kids in there way beyond the maximum number of safe pitches.

    i guess the point of my post is just make sure the kids are having fun, don't put too much pressure on them, and make sure the coach adheres to the established pitch counts/safety standards.

    Where can I find these pitch count charts?
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    this is the one that ours is based on. we have changed it up just a little bit because this one looks crowded with the clip art and stuff, but the pitch counts and ages are pretty standardized.

    http://www.csosortho.com/pdf/baseball-p ... -types.pdf
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    here is a more in-depth source. this is the little league position statement on pitching. it relies on that same research from the american sports medicine institute.

    http://www.littleleague.org/assets/old_ ... n_2008.pdf
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    just to clarify, the injuries i talked about are not just specific to pitchers. in our practice we see just as many catchers with these overuse injuries. to a lesser extent shortstops and 3rd basemen. we rarely see it in an outfielder just because they make significantly less throws per game. unless they also pitch. that is when we usually see it in outfielders. but the pitch count applies to all pitchers, whether they primarily pitch, or whether they pitch in a secondary or tertiary role.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    Thanks for the info.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    I just had to cut 4 kids off a 12yr old travel baseball team and call their dads. 2 of the families we are tight with. This sucks.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    I received a text last night from a dad of one of the kids on my baseball team. It was a pic of his son on crutches with an air cast. He had to go to the ER because of a bench clearing brawl in his youth hockey game. He said there were Police, Ambulance, parents on ice.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,862
    I didnt see a thread on this and found this on a search.

    Just wanted to say that Youth Sports are literally insane.  My son is only 8 (soon to be 9), and I think I can write a book on what we have been through.  Worse yet, I feel like I'm probably a piece of the insanity as well.  You need to be.  
  • a5pj
    a5pj Hershey PA Posts: 3,976
    This thread make me feel good. Not for all the crap of these sports but that there's other who view young sports the way I do.
    When I coached T-ball and young kids track I focused on trying hard, learning the game, having fun and encouraging your teammates. I rotated kids so everyone got a chance at everything.
    Sports shouldn't be competitive until maybe varsity?? and even then they're only in HS.
    Wouldn't it be funny if the world ended in 2010, with lots of fire?