Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Ok, a serious question for all the pro-mandate people here. Where does it stop? How far will you deem too far? Your open condescension isn’t proving particularly effective.

I’ll also suggest/ask that if these vaccines are so good and necessary, why hasn’t Trudeau shown leadership and enacted a full mandate for all citizens, coast-to-coast-to-coast?

The condescension is for my sanity. I know it won't make them get the shot. The only thing that works is to take something from these selfish people. Restricting their access to things. They only care if it effects them, they don't care about anyone else, this pandemic has proved that.

And everytime they were restricted vaccine uptake went up. Can't argue the restrictions didn't work.

That last 10% are just unreachable. They are too far gone. They've done they're own research on YouTube and Facebook. They're minds are too polluted with misinformation to come back. Plus they would do anything to own the libs, even die for the cause. Good riddance.

The restrictions are slowly being pulled now. Not because of these rallies, but because this wave is subsiding. This variant is running out of people to infect.

The restrictions saved thousands of lives and kept our healthcare system from complete failure. And as bad as the restrictions were they were really not that bad. Most of us just hunkered down and got vaccinated. Kept calm and carried on. We did our part to save lives. Only the weakest of us hit the streets to protest.

If the vaccines are so good? Seriously? This isn't even debatable at this point. It's simple math.

BOOM

Do you have an actual answer to the questions asked? What is your bridge too far when it comes to government mandates?

They never went too far for me.

It's like porn, I will know it when I see it.

What’s the point of asking what pro mandate people want until they come to realize that you’ll never achieve 100% and you must live it … But guess what, there is nothing wrong with pro mandate people continuing the mandates that they want to keep themselves…there will no judgement. As for the rest of us we will continue to support the truckers. They’ve done more for the moral of this country than any of those cult leaders..

Typical. Start a protest and a hockey game breaks out…them racist.

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/ctvnews/status/1488580481910198276?s=21

In Ottawa, donations have poured in for the Shepherds of Good Hope shelter, which works with vulnerable populations in the city experiencing homelessness, after an incident on Saturday involving protesters who disrupted the soup kitchen to demand meals, hurled racist slurs at a security guard, and attacked a client.

Since then, Canadians have sent so many food donations that the shelter has reached their storage capacity and cannot accept more, according to a statement posted on Twitter.

“We are in excellent shape for the near future,” the statement reads. “At this time we have received more than 10,000 individual donations… the incidents this weekend were unfortunate, but have allowed us to share the work we do with all of you.”

The Terry Fox Foundation has also seen an influx of donations, as noted in remarks delivered by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau Monday, after protesters sparked widespread condemnation for draping Terry Fox’s statue in flags and anti-mandate placards.

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Ok, a serious question for all the pro-mandate people here. Where does it stop? How far will you deem too far? Your open condescension isn’t proving particularly effective.

I’ll also suggest/ask that if these vaccines are so good and necessary, why hasn’t Trudeau shown leadership and enacted a full mandate for all citizens, coast-to-coast-to-coast?

The condescension is for my sanity. I know it won't make them get the shot. The only thing that works is to take something from these selfish people. Restricting their access to things. They only care if it effects them, they don't care about anyone else, this pandemic has proved that.

And everytime they were restricted vaccine uptake went up. Can't argue the restrictions didn't work.

That last 10% are just unreachable. They are too far gone. They've done they're own research on YouTube and Facebook. They're minds are too polluted with misinformation to come back. Plus they would do anything to own the libs, even die for the cause. Good riddance.

The restrictions are slowly being pulled now. Not because of these rallies, but because this wave is subsiding. This variant is running out of people to infect.

The restrictions saved thousands of lives and kept our healthcare system from complete failure. And as bad as the restrictions were they were really not that bad. Most of us just hunkered down and got vaccinated. Kept calm and carried on. We did our part to save lives. Only the weakest of us hit the streets to protest.

If the vaccines are so good? Seriously? This isn't even debatable at this point. It's simple math.

BOOM

Do you have an actual answer to the questions asked? What is your bridge too far when it comes to government mandates?

I can't predict the future, so I really can't say one way or the other. I would have said 2 years ago this was too much....then again I would not have predicted so many people would be anti-science and that this would have gone on this long. 

I had to get the jab or I would have lost my job. No questions asked. No testing. Just jab or fired. Pretty sure everyone at my company complied. Haven't heard a peep about it. No bitching. No complaining. No equating this with the abortion debate. 

For me it's all about the healthcare system. The vaccinated of this "not so good" vaccine are the vast majority NOT in hospital. When you have a pool of people that small (unvaxxed) that are far surpassing the much larger pool (the vaccinated), the math speaks for itself.

and I'm sorry if you think people are being condescending and that bothers you, but I honestly can't really have a serious conversation with people who claim the vaccine isn't any good, or even questioning how good it is. Covid is ripping through every community but the ICU stats are bearing out one thing: the vaccine works against all our current strains. 

Thanks, I appreciate the response.

 I feel it’s unfortunate that anyone was faced with a choice of job or jab, especially when the federal government has made noise about denying supports. It’s been interesting watching my friend who works in the banking industry (subject to the federal mandate). Previously I would have described him as vaccine-resistant, but since he’s been mandated into his shots his reaction to the truckers has been pretty much “what makes them special?” All that shows is he’s human, really, lol.

I agree that it’s all about the healthcare as well, however I see the problem as having more to do with all levels of government not using the last 2 years to build better capacity and resilience into the health and long-term care systems. I don’t often hear the numbers but when I do, hospitalizations are still below the overall peak (though they may be at the omicron peak). Notably Trudeau is refusing to discuss the federal health transfer as long as covid is a going concern (my personal feeling is he’s trying to put it off until he’s left the political stage).

As for the condescension, it’s just a sad symptom of how far things have fallen that it’s become so easy to look down on our fellow people (I almost typed “man”, Trudeau would be proud, lol). Further, it rarely helps further constructive conversation. Believe me, I do understand the need for one to vent, my preferred method of late has been to throw obscene comments at Trudeau when he appears on my tv screen, lol.

To meltdown, I ask precisely so that we can hopefully have more of a discussion instead of everyone just digging in their heels, lol.

I’ll try to end this post on what I still consider a huge positive. Canada is well over 80% fully vaccinated, let’s be proud of that, lol.

Trudeau is unacceptable..

Trump junior …

Reports are coming out that the blockade at the border is turning violent. 

Truckers running an RCMP blockade and hitting vehicles.

Keep it up degenerates.

We got some civil disobedience going on here in Coutts.. I must say I’m impressed with the leadership of these cult leaders that you have faith him…