Canadian Politics Redux

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

mickeyrat said:

Donald Trump’s unsettling and relentless insistence that Canada join the United States as its 51st state or face staggering tariffs has cracked the basis on which Canada’s Conservatives had built a double-digit lead in the polls https://econ.st/3F5M6tA

I think it has as much to do with closing up government while the Liberals chose a new leader taking all the wind out of the Conservatives’ sails. Trump has also basically delivered most press coverage to the Liberals with his chaos and them still officially forming our government.

Right now anything Poilievre says against the Liberals and Carney will get him called a traitor so he’s wisest keeping his mouth shut for the most part and let Carney’s lies keep getting exposed (although I doubt that will make any difference to Liberal voters).

Carney's lies? the dude was just chosen as leader and you're already calling him a liar?

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

I was not expecting it to be such a blowout.

I wish him luck.

I was totally expecting that... i think I decided it would go that way when my whole conservative-voting family (I'm the black sheep, lol) talked about how they were going to vote for Carney in the next election over the Conservatives.

I wasn't at all either. I knew Freeland was a longshot but that percentage to me was a shock. 

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Let me get this strait, because I admit I am not as savvy about Canadian politics as I could (maybe even should, although I hate that word) be:  Carney is like our Biden or Harris and Poilievre is your Trump or Mike Johnson?

And you guys have the same strong political divisiveness in Canada as we do in the U.S.?

 We don't have the same political divisiveness as the US. But Pierre is trying to make it so. It became more divisive during covid and the vaccine and convoy nonsense, and *some* would have you believe that Trudeau was the most divisive PM in the history of the world, but that's simply not true. He simply called out the idiots. Some consider that divisive. Pierre is a Trump Jr. He seeks to divide and conquer. Calling Canada "broken". Demonizing immigrants and "woke ideology". 

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

Let me get this strait, because I admit I am not as savvy about Canadian politics as I could (maybe even should, although I hate that word) be:  Carney is like our Biden or Harris and Poilievre is your Trump or Mike Johnson?

And you guys have the same strong political divisiveness in Canada as we do in the U.S.?

Canada really isn't even close to the level of divisiveness that the US has... that would be pretty hard to get to. Obviously there is some, but I don't really consider it comparable, just because the US is such a shit show. And honestly, while this was truer 10 years ago, our right is still closer to the US's left than they are to the US's right at this point, which really sucks for you. :(

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Let me get this strait, because I admit I am not as savvy about Canadian politics as I could (maybe even should, although I hate that word) be:  Carney is like our Biden or Harris and Poilievre is your Trump or Mike Johnson?

And you guys have the same strong political divisiveness in Canada as we do in the U.S.?

 We don't have the same political divisiveness as the US. But Pierre is trying to make it so. It became more divisive during covid and the vaccine and convoy nonsense, and *some* would have you believe that Trudeau was the most divisive PM in the history of the world, but that's simply not true. He simply called out the idiots. Some consider that divisive. Pierre is a Trump Jr. He seeks to divide and conquer. Calling Canada "broken". Demonizing immigrants and "woke ideology". 

Great, thanks for catching me up on some of this.

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

Let me get this strait, because I admit I am not as savvy about Canadian politics as I could (maybe even should, although I hate that word) be:  Carney is like our Biden or Harris and Poilievre is your Trump or Mike Johnson?

And you guys have the same strong political divisiveness in Canada as we do in the U.S.?

Canada really isn't even close to the level of divisiveness that the US has... that would be pretty hard to get to. Obviously there is some, but I don't really consider it comparable, just because the US is such a shit show. And honestly, while this was truer 10 years ago, our right is still closer to the US's left than they are to the US's right at this point, which really sucks for you. :(

Good to know- I would not wish our divisiveness on anyone.  And sadly, though at it's worst now, it's part of our modern history.  You have a much more level and sane population.  I envy that.