Donald Trump’s unsettling and relentless insistence that Canada join the United States as its 51st state or face staggering tariffs has cracked the basis on which Canada’s Conservatives had built a double-digit lead in the polls https://econ.st/3F5M6tA
I think it has as much to do with closing up government while the Liberals chose a new leader taking all the wind out of the Conservatives’ sails. Trump has also basically delivered most press coverage to the Liberals with his chaos and them still officially forming our government.
Right now anything Poilievre says against the Liberals and Carney will get him called a traitor so he’s wisest keeping his mouth shut for the most part and let Carney’s lies keep getting exposed (although I doubt that will make any difference to Liberal voters).
Carney's lies? the dude was just chosen as leader and you're already calling him a liar?
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I was totally expecting that... i think I decided it would go that way when my whole conservative-voting family (I'm the black sheep, lol) talked about how they were going to vote for Carney in the next election over the Conservatives.
I wasn't at all either. I knew Freeland was a longshot but that percentage to me was a shock.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Let me get this strait, because I admit I am not as savvy about Canadian politics as I could (maybe even should, although I hate that word) be: Carney is like our Biden or Harris and Poilievre is your Trump or Mike Johnson?
And you guys have the same strong political divisiveness in Canada as we do in the U.S.?
We don't have the same political divisiveness as the US. But Pierre is trying to make it so. It became more divisive during covid and the vaccine and convoy nonsense, and *some* would have you believe that Trudeau was the most divisive PM in the history of the world, but that's simply not true. He simply called out the idiots. Some consider that divisive. Pierre is a Trump Jr. He seeks to divide and conquer. Calling Canada "broken". Demonizing immigrants and "woke ideology".
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Let me get this strait, because I admit I am not as savvy about Canadian politics as I could (maybe even should, although I hate that word) be: Carney is like our Biden or Harris and Poilievre is your Trump or Mike Johnson?
And you guys have the same strong political divisiveness in Canada as we do in the U.S.?
Canada really isn't even close to the level of divisiveness that the US has... that would be pretty hard to get to. Obviously there is some, but I don't really consider it comparable, just because the US is such a shit show. And honestly, while this was truer 10 years ago, our right is still closer to the US's left than they are to the US's right at this point, which really sucks for you. :(
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Let me get this strait, because I admit I am not as savvy about Canadian politics as I could (maybe even should, although I hate that word) be: Carney is like our Biden or Harris and Poilievre is your Trump or Mike Johnson?
And you guys have the same strong political divisiveness in Canada as we do in the U.S.?
We don't have the same political divisiveness as the US. But Pierre is trying to make it so. It became more divisive during covid and the vaccine and convoy nonsense, and *some* would have you believe that Trudeau was the most divisive PM in the history of the world, but that's simply not true. He simply called out the idiots. Some consider that divisive. Pierre is a Trump Jr. He seeks to divide and conquer. Calling Canada "broken". Demonizing immigrants and "woke ideology".
Let me get this strait, because I admit I am not as savvy about Canadian politics as I could (maybe even should, although I hate that word) be: Carney is like our Biden or Harris and Poilievre is your Trump or Mike Johnson?
And you guys have the same strong political divisiveness in Canada as we do in the U.S.?
Canada really isn't even close to the level of divisiveness that the US has... that would be pretty hard to get to. Obviously there is some, but I don't really consider it comparable, just because the US is such a shit show. And honestly, while this was truer 10 years ago, our right is still closer to the US's left than they are to the US's right at this point, which really sucks for you. :(
Good to know- I would not wish our divisiveness on anyone. And sadly, though at it's worst now, it's part of our modern history. You have a much more level and sane population. I envy that.
Donald Trump’s unsettling and relentless insistence that Canada join the United States as its 51st state or face staggering tariffs has cracked the basis on which Canada’s Conservatives had built a double-digit lead in the polls https://econ.st/3F5M6tA
I think it has as much to do with closing up government while the Liberals chose a new leader taking all the wind out of the Conservatives’ sails. Trump has also basically delivered most press coverage to the Liberals with his chaos and them still officially forming our government.
Right now anything Poilievre says against the Liberals and Carney will get him called a traitor so he’s wisest keeping his mouth shut for the most part and let Carney’s lies keep getting exposed (although I doubt that will make any difference to Liberal voters).
Carney's lies? the dude was just chosen as leader and you're already calling him a liar?
It’s already been documented in the press that he has a fluid relationship with facts.
He’s claimed credit for balancing the budget in the 90s as well as navigating us through the 2008 financial crisis. He did play a role, but not as large as he’s portraying.
The clearest untruth is regarding the moving of Brookfield’s headquarters to New York. He says he had zero role in the decision but the facts (and his signature) put him on the board at the time the move was decided, regardless that the decision was implemented after he left the company.
I also keep seeing headlines that he’s being less than transparent about his own finances.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Let me get this strait, because I admit I am not as savvy about Canadian politics as I could (maybe even should, although I hate that word) be: Carney is like our Biden or Harris and Poilievre is your Trump or Mike Johnson?
And you guys have the same strong political divisiveness in Canada as we do in the U.S.?
Canada really isn't even close to the level of divisiveness that the US has... that would be pretty hard to get to. Obviously there is some, but I don't really consider it comparable, just because the US is such a shit show. And honestly, while this was truer 10 years ago, our right is still closer to the US's left than they are to the US's right at this point, which really sucks for you. :(
Guess that famous politeness is done. Please stop defining America by one person. His current fight is about the border, but not the one everyone is talking about but the northern one of the continent that we share, and no one speaking honestly can claim Canada has kept its responsibility with defense of that border.
As far as economy and opportunity, the US is miles ahead. Let’s stop pretending otherwise. And in our politics, if we don’t like the winning party, we get to vote against them in a year and a half.
I think millions of voters who voted for Trump does not equal one person.
2011: Vancouver 2013: LA 1 & LA 2, Vancouver 2018: Seattle 1 & Seattle 2 2022: LA 1 & LA 2 2024: Vancouver 1 & Vancouver 2, Portland, Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
Anyone following this story about the nasty Dallas Brody, an MLA in Vancouver, who is so mad about reconciliation, and who mocked the testimony of past residential school victims and got booted out of the BC Conservative party for it? Of course she is claiming it's because of her opions and not her aggregiously disgusting behaviour during a podcast. She is quite the piece of work. Check out what she's done now. She posted this on X. Whoa nelly.
So now 2 other MLAs have also left caucus over her being kicked out of it, and now these rebels are talking about forming their own caucus, I guess on the platform of shutting down First Nation tribes who want to develop on their lands. Only rich white people are allowed to be elite property developers, dangnammit!!
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think millions of voters who voted for Trump does not equal one person.
More than twice the population of Canada voted for that “one person”. 😂
We have more to worry about with border security (guns) than the US does.
Opportunity to make a whopping $7.25 an hour. That is SOME opportunity!
Average salary, per capita gdp, employment rates, economic growth, investment, all substantially better in the US. And that’s with historically beneficial trade terms for Canada. Clean up the northern border, and we’ll be good.
I think millions of voters who voted for Trump does not equal one person.
More than twice the population of Canada voted for that “one person”. 😂
We have more to worry about with border security (guns) than the US does.
Opportunity to make a whopping $7.25 an hour. That is SOME opportunity!
Average salary, per capita gdp, employment rates, economic growth, investment, all substantially better in the US. And that’s with historically beneficial trade terms for Canada. Clean up the northern border, and we’ll be good.
None of that matters. Only one metric does: people in canada are happier than americans.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I think millions of voters who voted for Trump does not equal one person.
More than twice the population of Canada voted for that “one person”. 😂
We have more to worry about with border security (guns) than the US does.
Opportunity to make a whopping $7.25 an hour. That is SOME opportunity!
Average salary, per capita gdp, employment rates, economic growth, investment, all substantially better in the US. And that’s with historically beneficial trade terms for Canada. Clean up the northern border, and we’ll be good.
None of that matters. Only one metric does: people in canada are happier than americans.
How is that even accurately measured? Happiness. I’m not arguing because I genuinely don’t care who’s happier. But it just seems like something that’s not measurable accurately.
Thanks but before I read through 4 links do you know if it says how specifically happiness is measured? It just seems like a silly statistic. I could lie and tell you I’m happy.
ABC: The results are based on self-assessments from people in more than 140 countries who are answering questions regarding their overall satisfaction with their lives. The study also takes into account six key variables which contribute to explaining life evaluations, including GDP per capita, social support, healthy life expectancy, freedom, generosity and corruption. Then to help understand the differences seen between countries, they look at six factors: the nation's healthy life expectancy, economy (GDP per capita), levels of corruption, social support, generosity and freedom.
Abacusdata: METHODOLOGY
Our survey was conducted online with 1,500 Canadians and 1,500 Americans aged 18 and over from March 4th to March 7th, 2021. A random sample of panellists was invited to complete the survey from a set of partner panels based on the Lucid exchange platform. These partners are double opt-in survey panels, blended to manage out potential skews in the data from a single source.
The margin of error for a comparable probability-based random sample of the same size is +/- 2.2%, 19 times out of 20.
In Canada the data were weighted according to census data to ensure that the sample matched Canada’s population according to age, gender, educational attainment, and region.
In the United States the data were weighted according to census data to ensure that the sample matched the United States’s population age, gender, region and ethnicity.
Totals may not add up to 100 due to rounding.
This poll was conducted and paid for by Abacus Data.
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
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Canada really isn't even close to the level of divisiveness that the US has... that would be pretty hard to get to. Obviously there is some, but I don't really consider it comparable, just because the US is such a shit show. And honestly, while this was truer 10 years ago, our right is still closer to the US's left than they are to the US's right at this point, which really sucks for you. :(
He’s claimed credit for balancing the budget in the 90s as well as navigating us through the 2008 financial crisis. He did play a role, but not as large as he’s portraying.
The clearest untruth is regarding the moving of Brookfield’s headquarters to New York. He says he had zero role in the decision but the facts (and his signature) put him on the board at the time the move was decided, regardless that the decision was implemented after he left the company.
I also keep seeing headlines that he’s being less than transparent about his own finances.
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
As far as economy and opportunity, the US is miles ahead. Let’s stop pretending otherwise. And in our politics, if we don’t like the winning party, we get to vote against them in a year and a half.
2013: LA 1 & LA 2, Vancouver
2018: Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
2022: LA 1 & LA 2
2024: Vancouver 1 & Vancouver 2, Portland, Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
https://cupe.ca/pierre-poilievre-it-banks-billionaires-and-big-polluters-not-you
We have more to worry about with border security (guns) than the US does.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Sorry, I posted the letter itself instead.
At first I was like “ok, what’s the issue with stating a fact that no bodies were found?” then I read that. JEEZUS
Looks like Dec 2024 was the beginning of that.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
And comments like yours above normalize the idea of it.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/nurturing-resilience/202403/why-are-americans-less-happy-than-people-in-other-countries
https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-longer-top-20-worlds-happiest-countries-now/story?id=108301747#:~:text=The United States has fallen,by Gallup and its partners.
https://abacusdata.ca/happiness-canadians-americans/
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
The results are based on self-assessments from people in more than 140 countries who are answering questions regarding their overall satisfaction with their lives. The study also takes into account six key variables which contribute to explaining life evaluations, including GDP per capita, social support, healthy life expectancy, freedom, generosity and corruption. Then to help understand the differences seen between countries, they look at six factors: the nation's healthy life expectancy, economy (GDP per capita), levels of corruption, social support, generosity and freedom.
Abacusdata:
METHODOLOGY
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth