SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States)

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's odd to me how people are completely ignoring the first part of Biden's announcement. all he mentions are qualifications. and then "oh by the way....". 

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's odd to me how people are completely ignoring the first part of Biden's announcement. all he mentions are qualifications. and then "oh by the way....". 

They never get told that part....news is not something they seek out. It's all memes on FB

No I saw Biden's full tweet. You posted it yesterday. He threw out very generic "qualifications" like character and integrity, which anyone would say about anybody that they're nominating for anything, so that's fine. But he could just leave it at that, and then just pick a black woman. That would make it at least appear like he went through possible nominees of all races, creeds, and genders, and the person that he decided had the most character and integrity was the black woman he ends up choosing. It'd probably be a better "welcome to the spotlight" moment for the nominee too, being picked for her character and integrity, rather than looking like an affirmative action hire, which is probably beneath her.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's odd to me how people are completely ignoring the first part of Biden's announcement. all he mentions are qualifications. and then "oh by the way....". 

They never get told that part....news is not something they seek out. It's all memes on FB

No I saw Biden's full tweet. You posted it yesterday. He threw out very generic "qualifications" like character and integrity, which anyone would say about anybody that they're nominating for anything, so that's fine. But he could just leave it at that, and then just pick a black woman. That would make it at least appear like he went through possible nominees of all races, creeds, and genders, and the person that he decided had the most character and integrity was the black woman he ends up choosing. It'd probably be a better "welcome to the spotlight" moment for the nominee too, being picked for her character and integrity, rather than looking like an affirmative action hire, which is probably beneath her.

ok I wasn't referring to you directly....just people in general.  It's the new Fox outrage

But do you think it's "outrage" similar to what I'm arguing here; just go ahead and pick a black woman without announcing it ahead of time? Or do you think it's outrage because of it being a black woman? I'm guessing the latter based on you putting "read it and weep" as a caption with Biden's tweet, but I could be wrong. 

mickeyrat said:

JB16057 said:8

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's odd to me how people are completely ignoring the first part of Biden's announcement. all he mentions are qualifications. and then "oh by the way....". 

They never get told that part....news is not something they seek out. It's all memes on FB

No I saw Biden's full tweet. You posted it yesterday. He threw out very generic "qualifications" like character and integrity, which anyone would say about anybody that they're nominating for anything, so that's fine. But he could just leave it at that, and then just pick a black woman. That would make it at least appear like he went through possible nominees of all races, creeds, and genders, and the person that he decided had the most character and integrity was the black woman he ends up choosing. It'd probably be a better "welcome to the spotlight" moment for the nominee too, being picked for her character and integrity, rather than looking like an affirmative action hire, which is probably beneath her.

ok I wasn't referring to you directly....just people in general.  It's the new Fox outrage

But do you think it's "outrage" similar to what I'm arguing here; just go ahead and pick a black woman without announcing it ahead of time? Or do you think it's outrage because of it being a black woman? I'm guessing the latter based on you putting "read it and weep" as a caption with Biden's tweet, but I could be wrong. 

The GOP rallies their base by dog whistles. The whole narrative of "he should choose the best person not the ethnic type that benefits him (even though this was a campaign promise) is a loud whistle.

If Biden had pledged to put a white person on the SCOTUS, would you have an issue with that?

You are wrong. He didn't promise to put an "ethnic person" on the SCOTUS. He only gave 1 ethnic group a chance. That isn't racial equality. 

Of course African Americans need representation and are underrepresented but there are other ethnic groups who are not represented at all.

Are you against racial equality?

women make up better than 50% of the US population. there will be 4 on the court when his nominee is confirmed.

see getting closer to equality

JB16057 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's odd to me how people are completely ignoring the first part of Biden's announcement. all he mentions are qualifications. and then "oh by the way....". 

They never get told that part....news is not something they seek out. It's all memes on FB

No I saw Biden's full tweet. You posted it yesterday. He threw out very generic "qualifications" like character and integrity, which anyone would say about anybody that they're nominating for anything, so that's fine. But he could just leave it at that, and then just pick a black woman. That would make it at least appear like he went through possible nominees of all races, creeds, and genders, and the person that he decided had the most character and integrity was the black woman he ends up choosing. It'd probably be a better "welcome to the spotlight" moment for the nominee too, being picked for her character and integrity, rather than looking like an affirmative action hire, which is probably beneath her.

ok I wasn't referring to you directly....just people in general.  It's the new Fox outrage

But do you think it's "outrage" similar to what I'm arguing here; just go ahead and pick a black woman without announcing it ahead of time? Or do you think it's outrage because of it being a black woman? I'm guessing the latter based on you putting "read it and weep" as a caption with Biden's tweet, but I could be wrong. 

The GOP rallies their base by dog whistles. The whole narrative of "he should choose the best person not the ethnic type that benefits him (even though this was a campaign promise) is a loud whistle.

If Biden had pledged to put a white person on the SCOTUS, would you have an issue with that?

You are wrong. He didn't promise to put an "ethnic person" on the SCOTUS. He only gave 1 ethnic group a chance. That isn't racial equality. 

Of course African Americans need representation and are underrepresented but there are other ethnic groups who are not represented at all.

Are you against racial equality?

In looking specifically at the U.S. Courts of Appeals, the following findings emerged:

• Race and ethnicity: Among active judges, whites represent at least 80 percent of the bench on nearly half of all circuit courts.8 There is not a single circuit court whose majority comprises people of color.

In examining the U.S. District Courts, the authors found:

• Race and ethnicity: Among active judges, 39 of the 91 Article III district courts entirely comprise white judges. Active judges of color comprise at least half of the bench on only 13 district courts—14 percent. Just one district court—the District Court of Puerto Rico—entirely comprises judges of color.

U.S. Court of Appeals for the 1st Circuit

The 1st Circuit Court’s jurisdiction covers the following states and territories: Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Puerto Rico.20

In looking at the combined populations of these four states and Puerto Rico, one finds that people of color and women comprise approximately 42 percent and 51.5 percent of the general population, respectively. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, African Americans and Asians each make up slightly more than 4 percent of the 1st Circuit’s general population, while Hispanics represent about 32 percent.21

In comparison, the 1st Circuit Court comprises judges who are overwhelmingly white and male. For example, whites comprise 82 percent of sitting judges and 67 percent of active judges on that circuit court. There is only one African American judge and one Hispanic judge on the court—each comprising 9 percent of sitting judges and 17 percent of active judges. There are no Asian American or American Indian judges on the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals, nor are there any judges belonging to more than one race or ethnicity.

And despite making up a majority of the general population, there are only two female judges on the court, comprising just 18 percent of all sitting judges and 33 percent of active judges on that court.

U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit

The 4th Circuit’s jurisdiction covers the following states: Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and West Virginia.26

In looking at the combined populations of these five states, one finds that people of color and women comprise approximately 38 percent and 51 percent of the general population, respectively. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, African Americans make up approximately 22 percent of the 4th Circuit’s general population, with Asians and Hispanics representing 4 percent and 9 percent, respectively.27

Compared with this, the demographic makeup of the 4th Circuit Court is remarkedly nondiverse. For example, whites comprise 83 percent of sitting judges and 80 percent of active judges on the 4th Circuit. The court includes only two African American judges—comprising 11 percent of sitting judges and 13 percent of active judges—and just one Hispanic judge. There are no Asian American or American Indian judges on the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, nor are there any judges belonging to more than one race or ethnicity.

And despite making up a majority of the general population, there are just five female judges on the court, comprising 28 percent of all sitting judges and 33 percent of active judges on the bench. Moreover, there are no women of color serving on the 4th Circuit bench, and none of the court’s judges self-identify as LGBTQ.

U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit

The 5th Circuit’s jurisdiction covers the following states: Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas.28

The jurisdiction covered by the 5th Circuit is unique in that people of color comprise a majority of the jurisdiction’s general population. In looking at the combined populations of these three states, one finds that people of color and women comprise approximately 55 percent and 50.5 percent of the general population, respectively. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, African Americans make up roughly 17 percent of the 5th Circuit’s general population, with Asians and Hispanics representing about 4.3 percent and 32 percent, respectively.29

Compared with its the general population, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals is the least racially and ethnically diverse circuit court in the country. For instance, despite making up just 45 percent of the general population, white judges comprise 85 percent of all sitting judges and 81 percent of all active judges on the 5th Circuit Court. Just two circuit judges are African Americans, comprising 8 percent and 12.5 percent of sitting and active judges on that court, respectively. Furthermore, the 5th Circuit has just one Asian American judge and one sitting Hispanic judge. There are no active Hispanic judges on the court, even though Hispanics represent nearly one-third of the 5th Circuit’s general population. There are no American Indian judges serving on the 5th Circuit, nor are there any judges belonging to more than one race or ethnicity.

And despite making up a majority of the general population, female judges comprise only 23 percent of sitting judges and 25 percent of active judges on the 5th Circuit Court. Moreover, there are no women of color serving on the 5th Circuit bench, and none of the court’s judges self-identify as LGBTQ.

U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit

The 10th Circuit’s jurisdiction covers the following states: Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, and Wyoming.38

In looking at the combined populations of these six states, one finds that people of color and women comprise approximately 33 percent and 50 percent of the general population, respectively. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, African Americans make up slightly more than 4 percent of the 10th Circuit’s general population, with Asians and Hispanics representing 3 percent and 19 percent, respectively.39

In comparison, the 10th Circuit Court itself comprises judges who are overwhelmingly white: Whites comprise 91 percent of sitting judges and 83 percent of active judges on the court. People of color comprise just 9 percent of the 10th Circuit’s sitting judges and 17 percent of its active judges. The 10th Circuit Court includes only one African American judge and one Hispanic judge, each comprising about 4.5 percent of the court’s sitting judges and 8 percent of its active judges. There are no Asian American or American Indian judges on the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, nor are there any judges belonging to more than one race or ethnicity.

And despite making up a majority of the general population, female judges comprise only about 23 percent of the circuit court’s sitting judges and one-third of its active judges. Moreover, there are no women of color on the 10th Circuit bench, and none of the court’s judges self-identify as LGBTQ.

Continues and includes all the circuit courts.

Examining the Demographic Compositions of U.S. Circuit and District Courts - Center for American Progress

JB16057 said:

benjs said:

JB16057 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's odd to me how people are completely ignoring the first part of Biden's announcement. all he mentions are qualifications. and then "oh by the way....". 

They never get told that part....news is not something they seek out. It's all memes on FB

No I saw Biden's full tweet. You posted it yesterday. He threw out very generic "qualifications" like character and integrity, which anyone would say about anybody that they're nominating for anything, so that's fine. But he could just leave it at that, and then just pick a black woman. That would make it at least appear like he went through possible nominees of all races, creeds, and genders, and the person that he decided had the most character and integrity was the black woman he ends up choosing. It'd probably be a better "welcome to the spotlight" moment for the nominee too, being picked for her character and integrity, rather than looking like an affirmative action hire, which is probably beneath her.

ok I wasn't referring to you directly....just people in general.  It's the new Fox outrage

But do you think it's "outrage" similar to what I'm arguing here; just go ahead and pick a black woman without announcing it ahead of time? Or do you think it's outrage because of it being a black woman? I'm guessing the latter based on you putting "read it and weep" as a caption with Biden's tweet, but I could be wrong. 

The GOP rallies their base by dog whistles. The whole narrative of "he should choose the best person not the ethnic type that benefits him (even though this was a campaign promise) is a loud whistle.

If Biden had pledged to put a white person on the SCOTUS, would you have an issue with that?

You are wrong. He didn't promise to put an "ethnic person" on the SCOTUS. He only gave 1 ethnic group a chance. That isn't racial equality. 

Of course African Americans need representation and are underrepresented but there are other ethnic groups who are not represented at all.

Are you against racial equality?

What an obnoxious baiting question - it speaks to your level of disingenuousness. 

I know the answer to the first one so that isn't baiting anyone. The last question I can argue because no one here has an issue that he promised 1 underrepresented race a place on the SCOTUS and completely left out all the other races that have no representation.

How is that true racial equality when there some ethnic groups have no representation at all?