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Not only that, these payments are only band aids. We need to bigger solutions to these problems than just handing out more money that we don't have. Handing out this free money will not fix inflation. Handing out more money will only hinder it.mickeyrat said:
no. you should read it for yourself, as written by the ap reporter. wouldnt it to be skewed by my point of view would you?JB16057 said:
Why don't you tell me what you think I missed?mickeyrat said:
pssst click the link and read the entire article.....JB16057 said:mickeyrat said:Goodbye 'godsend': Expiration of child tax credits hits homeBy JOHN RABY, FATIMA HUSSEIN and JOSH BOAK14 Jan 2022CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — For the first time in half a year, families on Friday are going without a monthly deposit from the child tax credit — a program that was intended to be part of President Joe Biden's legacy but has emerged instead as a flash point over who is worthy of government support.
Retiree Andy Roberts, from St. Albans, West Virginia, relied on the checks to help raise his two young grandchildren, whom he and his wife adopted because the birth parents are recovering from drug addiction.
The Robertses are now out $550 a month. That money helped pay for Girl Scouts, ballet and acting lessons and kids' shoes, which Roberts noted are more expensive than adult shoes. The tax credit, he said, was a “godsend.”
“It’ll make you tighten up your belt, if you’ve got anything to tighten,” Roberts said about losing the payments.
The monthly tax credits were part of Biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package — and the president had proposed extending them for another full year as part of a separate measure focused on economic and social programs.
But Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, from Roberts' home state of West Virginia, objected to extending the credit out of concern that the money would discourage people from working and that any additional federal spending would fuel inflation that has already climbed to a nearly 40-year high.
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I fully agree with Manchin. If you are wanting a tax credit, you should have to work and pay taxes. I don't think it will discourage people from working because it's not that much money but there plenty of shitty parents who will use this money to support their habits instead of supporting their children. That's a shame. On the other hand, there are plenty of parents who need this money but we can't just hand out money that we don't have. If you want that kind of money, go get a credit card. Don't worry, you don't have to pay it back today but eventually, you will have to pay that money back.I think it is funny how this article states this, "The Roberts are now out $550 a month". No, you aren't out anything. It was never a permanent handout and you never should have relied on it as such.
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JB16057 said:
I did read it and still don't know what you're talking about.mickeyrat said:
no. you should read it for yourself, as written by the ap reporter. wouldnt it to be skewed by my point of view would you?JB16057 said:
Why don't you tell me what you think I missed?mickeyrat said:
pssst click the link and read the entire article.....JB16057 said:mickeyrat said:Goodbye 'godsend': Expiration of child tax credits hits homeBy JOHN RABY, FATIMA HUSSEIN and JOSH BOAK14 Jan 2022CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — For the first time in half a year, families on Friday are going without a monthly deposit from the child tax credit — a program that was intended to be part of President Joe Biden's legacy but has emerged instead as a flash point over who is worthy of government support.
Retiree Andy Roberts, from St. Albans, West Virginia, relied on the checks to help raise his two young grandchildren, whom he and his wife adopted because the birth parents are recovering from drug addiction.
The Robertses are now out $550 a month. That money helped pay for Girl Scouts, ballet and acting lessons and kids' shoes, which Roberts noted are more expensive than adult shoes. The tax credit, he said, was a “godsend.”
“It’ll make you tighten up your belt, if you’ve got anything to tighten,” Roberts said about losing the payments.
The monthly tax credits were part of Biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package — and the president had proposed extending them for another full year as part of a separate measure focused on economic and social programs.
But Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, from Roberts' home state of West Virginia, objected to extending the credit out of concern that the money would discourage people from working and that any additional federal spending would fuel inflation that has already climbed to a nearly 40-year high.
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I fully agree with Manchin. If you are wanting a tax credit, you should have to work and pay taxes. I don't think it will discourage people from working because it's not that much money but there plenty of shitty parents who will use this money to support their habits instead of supporting their children. That's a shame. On the other hand, there are plenty of parents who need this money but we can't just hand out money that we don't have. If you want that kind of money, go get a credit card. Don't worry, you don't have to pay it back today but eventually, you will have to pay that money back.I think it is funny how this article states this, "The Roberts are now out $550 a month". No, you aren't out anything. It was never a permanent handout and you never should have relied on it as such.apparently everything after continued in the post of this article.Manchin has supported some form of a work requirement for people receiving the payment, out of concern that automatic government aid could cause people to quit their jobs. Yet his primary objection, in a written statement last month, sidestepped that issue as he expressed concerns about inflation and that a one-year extension masked the true costs of a tax credit that could become permanent.
“My Democratic colleagues in Washington are determined to dramatically reshape our society in a way that leaves our country even more vulnerable to the threats we face,” Manchin said. He added that he was worried about inflation and the size of the national debt.
But Joanna Vance of Beckley, who works for a nonprofit social justice group, said Manchin needs to learn more about his constituents, especially southern communities where thousands of coal mining jobs were lost over the past decade as companies and utilities explore using other energy sources such as natural gas, solar and wind.
“Take a drive through there,” Vance said Friday. “Now they’re just ghost towns. There’s no jobs there. There’s no child care there. There’s no transportation there. And it’s that way for 20 miles in either direction.
"So I understand wanting to have a work requirement. You can’t have a work requirement when it’s not even viable.”
The Census Bureau surveyed the spending patterns of recipients during September and October. Nearly a third used the credit to pay for school expenses, while about 25% of families with young children spent it on child care. About 40% of recipients said they mostly relied on the money to pay off debt.
There are separate benefits in terms of improving the outcomes for impoverished children, whose families could not previously access the full tax credit because their earnings were too low. An analysis by the Urban Institute estimated that extending the credit as developed by the Biden administration would cut child poverty by 40%.
The tax credits did not cause an immediate exodus from the workforce, as some lawmakers had feared. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the percentage of people with jobs increased from 58% the month before the monthly payments began to 59.5% last month. That same trend occurred in West Virginia, where the employment-population ratio rose to the pre-pandemic level of 52.9%.
There's an academic debate over whether the credit could suppress employment in the long term, with most studies suggesting that the impact would be statistically negligible.
Academics who study the tax credit are torn on how a permanent program would affect the economy and child welfare.
Katherine Michelmore, an associate professor of public policy at the University of Michigan, and two other researchers estimated that roughly 350,000 parents would exit the workforce, a figure that is not all that significant in an economy with roughly 150 million jobs.
Michelmore said the long-term effects of a permanent tax credit would have a positive impact on the economy, as children who grow up in families with higher incomes “tend to do better in school, they’re more likely to graduate from high school. It might be 15 years down the road but there will be more cost savings in the future."
One of the key questions for policymakers is whether bureaucracies or parents are better at spending money on children. Manchin has proposed a 10-year, funded version of Biden's economic proposal that would scrap the child tax credits focus and instead finance programs such as universal pre-kindergarten, to avoid sending money directly to families.
"It’s a moral question of do you trust families to make their own decisions," Michelmore said.
Hairdresser Chelsea Woody is a single mother from Charleston, West Virginia, who works six days a week to make ends meet. The extended child tax credit payments had helped pay for her son’s daycare, as well as letting her splurge on clothes for him.
“It truly helps out a lot. It’s an extra cushion, instead of me worrying how I’m going to pay a bill or if anything comes up,” Woody said as she loaded groceries into her car. “It’s helpful for a lot of people. It helps working families out because we struggle the most. I’m hardly home with my kid because I work all the time.”
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Compassion? $550 a month and you wonder why there might be inflation?Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice compassion. Fuck the grandkids, right? Talking about money we don’t have to give away, where were you when POOTWH and his ilk passed the $1.7 trillion tax cut for the corporations and tax payers that “didn’t need it?”JB16057 said:mickeyrat said:Goodbye 'godsend': Expiration of child tax credits hits homeBy JOHN RABY, FATIMA HUSSEIN and JOSH BOAK14 Jan 2022CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — For the first time in half a year, families on Friday are going without a monthly deposit from the child tax credit — a program that was intended to be part of President Joe Biden's legacy but has emerged instead as a flash point over who is worthy of government support.
Retiree Andy Roberts, from St. Albans, West Virginia, relied on the checks to help raise his two young grandchildren, whom he and his wife adopted because the birth parents are recovering from drug addiction.
The Robertses are now out $550 a month. That money helped pay for Girl Scouts, ballet and acting lessons and kids' shoes, which Roberts noted are more expensive than adult shoes. The tax credit, he said, was a “godsend.”
“It’ll make you tighten up your belt, if you’ve got anything to tighten,” Roberts said about losing the payments.
The monthly tax credits were part of Biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package — and the president had proposed extending them for another full year as part of a separate measure focused on economic and social programs.
But Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, from Roberts' home state of West Virginia, objected to extending the credit out of concern that the money would discourage people from working and that any additional federal spending would fuel inflation that has already climbed to a nearly 40-year high.
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I fully agree with Manchin. If you are wanting a tax credit, you should have to work and pay taxes. I don't think it will discourage people from working because it's not that much money but there plenty of shitty parents who will use this money to support their habits instead of supporting their children. That's a shame. On the other hand, there are plenty of parents who need this money but we can't just hand out money that we don't have. If you want that kind of money, go get a credit card. Don't worry, you don't have to pay it back today but eventually, you will have to pay that money back.I think it is funny how this article states this, "The Roberts are now out $550 a month". No, you aren't out anything. It was never a permanent handout and you never should have relied on it as such.Not being used for food or shelter either in this example. Perfect example at how dumb a child tax credit is.hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat said:
Compassion? $550 a month and you wonder why there might be inflation?Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice compassion. Fuck the grandkids, right? Talking about money we don’t have to give away, where were you when POOTWH and his ilk passed the $1.7 trillion tax cut for the corporations and tax payers that “didn’t need it?”JB16057 said:mickeyrat said:Goodbye 'godsend': Expiration of child tax credits hits homeBy JOHN RABY, FATIMA HUSSEIN and JOSH BOAK14 Jan 2022CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — For the first time in half a year, families on Friday are going without a monthly deposit from the child tax credit — a program that was intended to be part of President Joe Biden's legacy but has emerged instead as a flash point over who is worthy of government support.
Retiree Andy Roberts, from St. Albans, West Virginia, relied on the checks to help raise his two young grandchildren, whom he and his wife adopted because the birth parents are recovering from drug addiction.
The Robertses are now out $550 a month. That money helped pay for Girl Scouts, ballet and acting lessons and kids' shoes, which Roberts noted are more expensive than adult shoes. The tax credit, he said, was a “godsend.”
“It’ll make you tighten up your belt, if you’ve got anything to tighten,” Roberts said about losing the payments.
The monthly tax credits were part of Biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package — and the president had proposed extending them for another full year as part of a separate measure focused on economic and social programs.
But Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, from Roberts' home state of West Virginia, objected to extending the credit out of concern that the money would discourage people from working and that any additional federal spending would fuel inflation that has already climbed to a nearly 40-year high.
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I fully agree with Manchin. If you are wanting a tax credit, you should have to work and pay taxes. I don't think it will discourage people from working because it's not that much money but there plenty of shitty parents who will use this money to support their habits instead of supporting their children. That's a shame. On the other hand, there are plenty of parents who need this money but we can't just hand out money that we don't have. If you want that kind of money, go get a credit card. Don't worry, you don't have to pay it back today but eventually, you will have to pay that money back.I think it is funny how this article states this, "The Roberts are now out $550 a month". No, you aren't out anything. It was never a permanent handout and you never should have relied on it as such.Not being used for food or shelter either in this example. Perfect example at how dumb a child tax credit is.No but they got to splurge on clothes for their kids! Maybe that's what mickeyrat was trying to point out to me.0 -
what business is it of yours if they spent some money on clothes while 95% of the time it went for what it was supposed to go to?JB16057 said:cincybearcat said:
Compassion? $550 a month and you wonder why there might be inflation?Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice compassion. Fuck the grandkids, right? Talking about money we don’t have to give away, where were you when POOTWH and his ilk passed the $1.7 trillion tax cut for the corporations and tax payers that “didn’t need it?”JB16057 said:mickeyrat said:Goodbye 'godsend': Expiration of child tax credits hits homeBy JOHN RABY, FATIMA HUSSEIN and JOSH BOAK14 Jan 2022CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — For the first time in half a year, families on Friday are going without a monthly deposit from the child tax credit — a program that was intended to be part of President Joe Biden's legacy but has emerged instead as a flash point over who is worthy of government support.
Retiree Andy Roberts, from St. Albans, West Virginia, relied on the checks to help raise his two young grandchildren, whom he and his wife adopted because the birth parents are recovering from drug addiction.
The Robertses are now out $550 a month. That money helped pay for Girl Scouts, ballet and acting lessons and kids' shoes, which Roberts noted are more expensive than adult shoes. The tax credit, he said, was a “godsend.”
“It’ll make you tighten up your belt, if you’ve got anything to tighten,” Roberts said about losing the payments.
The monthly tax credits were part of Biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package — and the president had proposed extending them for another full year as part of a separate measure focused on economic and social programs.
But Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, from Roberts' home state of West Virginia, objected to extending the credit out of concern that the money would discourage people from working and that any additional federal spending would fuel inflation that has already climbed to a nearly 40-year high.
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I fully agree with Manchin. If you are wanting a tax credit, you should have to work and pay taxes. I don't think it will discourage people from working because it's not that much money but there plenty of shitty parents who will use this money to support their habits instead of supporting their children. That's a shame. On the other hand, there are plenty of parents who need this money but we can't just hand out money that we don't have. If you want that kind of money, go get a credit card. Don't worry, you don't have to pay it back today but eventually, you will have to pay that money back.I think it is funny how this article states this, "The Roberts are now out $550 a month". No, you aren't out anything. It was never a permanent handout and you never should have relied on it as such.Not being used for food or shelter either in this example. Perfect example at how dumb a child tax credit is.No but they got to splurge on clothes for their kids! Maybe that's what mickeyrat was trying to point out to me.
seems like we should maybe regulate the kinds of food that people can purchase with their food stamps.
oh yeah. some states are doing that too."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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what im saying is we are not living in a black and white world where everything works perfectly 100% of the time.
why throw out a program that works as it should in the vast majority of cases?
manchin is punishing everyone in that program because a few people may have misused it.
god forbid we do not cut the military budget. i'd bet that is where the most fraud is in our budget."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I mentioned in another thread about this crazy Trump supporter client of mine I helped the other week. One of the things she kept talking about as one of Trump's "big accomplishments" was sending her a check during his last few week's in office. She used it to pay off a car or something. She was talking about the Covid Relief bill congress passed and which Trump had basically nothing to do with as he was so pre-occupied with convincing her and millions like her that the election was stolen from him at the time.
Anyway, I just find it amusing that they're ecstatic when a fake Republican like Trump gives them handouts, but suddenly it's communism when Democrats do something similar just a few months later.
I guarantee you she is against the child tax credit at the moment but would absolutely think it would be the greatest thing ever had Trump decided to do it. We know her and tens of millions like her are easily convinced.www.myspace.com0 -
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what business is it of yours if they spent some money on clothes while 95% of the time it went for what it was supposed to go to?JB16057 said:cincybearcat said:
Compassion? $550 a month and you wonder why there might be inflation?Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice compassion. Fuck the grandkids, right? Talking about money we don’t have to give away, where were you when POOTWH and his ilk passed the $1.7 trillion tax cut for the corporations and tax payers that “didn’t need it?”JB16057 said:mickeyrat said:Goodbye 'godsend': Expiration of child tax credits hits homeBy JOHN RABY, FATIMA HUSSEIN and JOSH BOAK14 Jan 2022CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — For the first time in half a year, families on Friday are going without a monthly deposit from the child tax credit — a program that was intended to be part of President Joe Biden's legacy but has emerged instead as a flash point over who is worthy of government support.
Retiree Andy Roberts, from St. Albans, West Virginia, relied on the checks to help raise his two young grandchildren, whom he and his wife adopted because the birth parents are recovering from drug addiction.
The Robertses are now out $550 a month. That money helped pay for Girl Scouts, ballet and acting lessons and kids' shoes, which Roberts noted are more expensive than adult shoes. The tax credit, he said, was a “godsend.”
“It’ll make you tighten up your belt, if you’ve got anything to tighten,” Roberts said about losing the payments.
The monthly tax credits were part of Biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package — and the president had proposed extending them for another full year as part of a separate measure focused on economic and social programs.
But Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, from Roberts' home state of West Virginia, objected to extending the credit out of concern that the money would discourage people from working and that any additional federal spending would fuel inflation that has already climbed to a nearly 40-year high.
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I fully agree with Manchin. If you are wanting a tax credit, you should have to work and pay taxes. I don't think it will discourage people from working because it's not that much money but there plenty of shitty parents who will use this money to support their habits instead of supporting their children. That's a shame. On the other hand, there are plenty of parents who need this money but we can't just hand out money that we don't have. If you want that kind of money, go get a credit card. Don't worry, you don't have to pay it back today but eventually, you will have to pay that money back.I think it is funny how this article states this, "The Roberts are now out $550 a month". No, you aren't out anything. It was never a permanent handout and you never should have relied on it as such.Not being used for food or shelter either in this example. Perfect example at how dumb a child tax credit is.No but they got to splurge on clothes for their kids! Maybe that's what mickeyrat was trying to point out to me.
seems like we should maybe regulate the kinds of food that people can purchase with their food stamps.
oh yeah. some states are doing that too.What business is it of mine? Some of that money could be my tax dollars.I do think we should regulate what kind of food can be bought with food stamps. Once again, it is our tax dollars and obesity is a huge issue in America. We shouldn't make it easier for families to eat shit food.
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gimmesometruth27 said:what im saying is we are not living in a black and white world where everything works perfectly 100% of the time.
why throw out a program that works as it should in the vast majority of cases?
manchin is punishing everyone in that program because a few people may have misused it.
god forbid we do not cut the military budget. i'd bet that is where the most fraud is in our budget.I totally get the black and white situation. I know there are good people that could use this money.I would say a vast majority didn't need this money. Not only that, how is this program going to get paid for? They can pay out $550 a month to a family but what does that actually cost when you consider when and how it will get paid back? Money is not free. This administration has already been caught lying about free money. This program makes people dependent on the government which that is the exact thing we need to get away from.Manchin is not punishing anyone. He is doing what he believes is right. Handing out money like this is not sustainable.0 -
gimmesometruth27 said:what im saying is we are8 not living in a black and white world where everything works perfectly 100% of the time.
why throw out a program that works as it should in the vast majority of cases?
manchin is punishing everyone in that program because a few people may have misused it.
god forbid we do not cut the military budget. i'd bet that is where the most fraud is in our budget.
we cant know that though. dod and the 5 , now 6 services need to be held to the laws regarding audits...
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JB16057 said:gimmesometruth27 said:what im saying is we are not living in a black and white world where everything works perfectly 100% of the time.
why throw out a program that works as it should in the vast majority of cases?
manchin is punishing everyone in that program because a few people may have misused it.
god forbid we do not cut the military budget. i'd bet that is where the most fraud is in our budget.I totally get the black and white situation. I know there are good people that could use this money.I would say a vast majority didn't need this money. Not only that, how is this program going to get paid for? They can pay out $550 a month to a family but what does that actually cost when you consider when and how it will get paid back? Money is not free. This administration has already been caught lying about free money. This program makes people dependent on the government which that is the exact thing we need to get away from.Manchin is not punishing anyone. He is doing what he believes is right. Handing out money like this is not sustainable.
what are you basing your statement that the vast majority dont need this on?
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Going out on a limb here but I would suggest it's not based on any available data...mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:gimmesometruth27 said:what im saying is we are not living in a black and white world where everything works perfectly 100% of the time.
why throw out a program that works as it should in the vast majority of cases?
manchin is punishing everyone in that program because a few people may have misused it.
god forbid we do not cut the military budget. i'd bet that is where the most fraud is in our budget.I totally get the black and white situation. I know there are good people that could use this money.I would say a vast majority didn't need this money. Not only that, how is this program going to get paid for? They can pay out $550 a month to a family but what does that actually cost when you consider when and how it will get paid back? Money is not free. This administration has already been caught lying about free money. This program makes people dependent on the government which that is the exact thing we need to get away from.Manchin is not punishing anyone. He is doing what he believes is right. Handing out money like this is not sustainable.
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I don't have that data but if most people with children are this poor and rely on this, there are bigger issues at hand. Not only that, having children is a choice. Why do you ask for proof when I say vast majority but when gimme says vast majority, all I hear is crickets?mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:gimmesometruth27 said:what im saying is we are not living in a black and white world where everything works perfectly 100% of the time.
why throw out a program that works as it should in the vast majority of cases?
manchin is punishing everyone in that program because a few people may have misused it.
god forbid we do not cut the military budget. i'd bet that is where the most fraud is in our budget.I totally get the black and white situation. I know there are good people that could use this money.I would say a vast majority didn't need this money. Not only that, how is this program going to get paid for? They can pay out $550 a month to a family but what does that actually cost when you consider when and how it will get paid back? Money is not free. This administration has already been caught lying about free money. This program makes people dependent on the government which that is the exact thing we need to get away from.Manchin is not punishing anyone. He is doing what he believes is right. Handing out money like this is not sustainable.
what are you basing your statement that the vast majority dont need this on?
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Could you obtain the data if given ample time?JB16057 said:
I don't have that data but if most people with children are this poor and rely on this, there are bigger issues at hand. Not only that, having children is a choice. Why do you ask for proof when I say vast majority but when gimme says vast majority, all I hear is crickets?mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:gimmesometruth27 said:what im saying is we are not living in a black and white world where everything works perfectly 100% of the time.
why throw out a program that works as it should in the vast majority of cases?
manchin is punishing everyone in that program because a few people may have misused it.
god forbid we do not cut the military budget. i'd bet that is where the most fraud is in our budget.I totally get the black and white situation. I know there are good people that could use this money.I would say a vast majority didn't need this money. Not only that, how is this program going to get paid for? They can pay out $550 a month to a family but what does that actually cost when you consider when and how it will get paid back? Money is not free. This administration has already been caught lying about free money. This program makes people dependent on the government which that is the exact thing we need to get away from.Manchin is not punishing anyone. He is doing what he believes is right. Handing out money like this is not sustainable.
what are you basing your statement that the vast majority dont need this on?www.myspace.com0 -
Why do you ask for proof when I say vast majority but when gimme says vast majority, all I hear is crickets?The Juggler said:
Could you obtain the data if given ample time?JB16057 said:
I don't have that data but if most people with children are this poor and rely on this, there are bigger issues at hand. Not only that, having children is a choice. Why do you ask for proof when I say vast majority but when gimme says vast majority, all I hear is crickets?mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:gimmesometruth27 said:what im saying is we are not living in a black and white world where everything works perfectly 100% of the time.
why throw out a program that works as it should in the vast majority of cases?
manchin is punishing everyone in that program because a few people may have misused it.
god forbid we do not cut the military budget. i'd bet that is where the most fraud is in our budget.I totally get the black and white situation. I know there are good people that could use this money.I would say a vast majority didn't need this money. Not only that, how is this program going to get paid for? They can pay out $550 a month to a family but what does that actually cost when you consider when and how it will get paid back? Money is not free. This administration has already been caught lying about free money. This program makes people dependent on the government which that is the exact thing we need to get away from.Manchin is not punishing anyone. He is doing what he believes is right. Handing out money like this is not sustainable.
what are you basing your statement that the vast majority dont need this on?
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Seems like maybe we shouldn’t be giving $ to people just cause they have kids…hmmm…weird concept I know. But then again it’s all ok give other peoples $ awaygimmesometruth27 said:
what business is it of yours if they spent some money on clothes while 95% of the time it went for what it was supposed to go to?JB16057 said:cincybearcat said:
Compassion? $550 a month and you wonder why there might be inflation?Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice compassion. Fuck the grandkids, right? Talking about money we don’t have to give away, where were you when POOTWH and his ilk passed the $1.7 trillion tax cut for the corporations and tax payers that “didn’t need it?”JB16057 said:mickeyrat said:Goodbye 'godsend': Expiration of child tax credits hits homeBy JOHN RABY, FATIMA HUSSEIN and JOSH BOAK14 Jan 2022CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — For the first time in half a year, families on Friday are going without a monthly deposit from the child tax credit — a program that was intended to be part of President Joe Biden's legacy but has emerged instead as a flash point over who is worthy of government support.
Retiree Andy Roberts, from St. Albans, West Virginia, relied on the checks to help raise his two young grandchildren, whom he and his wife adopted because the birth parents are recovering from drug addiction.
The Robertses are now out $550 a month. That money helped pay for Girl Scouts, ballet and acting lessons and kids' shoes, which Roberts noted are more expensive than adult shoes. The tax credit, he said, was a “godsend.”
“It’ll make you tighten up your belt, if you’ve got anything to tighten,” Roberts said about losing the payments.
The monthly tax credits were part of Biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package — and the president had proposed extending them for another full year as part of a separate measure focused on economic and social programs.
But Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, from Roberts' home state of West Virginia, objected to extending the credit out of concern that the money would discourage people from working and that any additional federal spending would fuel inflation that has already climbed to a nearly 40-year high.
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I fully agree with Manchin. If you are wanting a tax credit, you should have to work and pay taxes. I don't think it will discourage people from working because it's not that much money but there plenty of shitty parents who will use this money to support their habits instead of supporting their children. That's a shame. On the other hand, there are plenty of parents who need this money but we can't just hand out money that we don't have. If you want that kind of money, go get a credit card. Don't worry, you don't have to pay it back today but eventually, you will have to pay that money back.I think it is funny how this article states this, "The Roberts are now out $550 a month". No, you aren't out anything. It was never a permanent handout and you never should have relied on it as such.Not being used for food or shelter either in this example. Perfect example at how dumb a child tax credit is.No but they got to splurge on clothes for their kids! Maybe that's what mickeyrat was trying to point out to me.
seems like we should maybe regulate the kinds of food that people can purchase with their food stamps.
oh yeah. some states are doing that too.hippiemom = goodness0
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