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Hey! Brakes in your car don’t prevent 100% of accidents. Completely useless. Get rid of em and don’t use them.

You mentioned "lost interest?"

As had you. But you also haven’t defended your positions or declarations very well. I’m not sure why that is, though.

Simple - you believe in Jesus and I believe in Santa. Or vice versa. I forgot.

Oh the sweet baby jebus! Santa is real! Still can’t defend your opines, eh? Well, Christmas is coming and if you’re good, Santa will help you.

Do I really have to defend record breaking cases globally after one year of vaccination? I'm sure you've heard. Or ineffective flu vaccine at 40%? What else? 

What percentage of folks have to have had covid to reach herd immunity? What percentage of those with covid, hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated? Versus those who are?

Is seasonal flu eradicated? How about aids? SARS? Or any other type of viral infection disease?

If not 100%, it’s not effective? That’s just dumb. Drunk driving laws? Not effective, get rid of them. And hey! Go out and drunk drive everyone because, well, we can’t stop it 100% anyway. And age limits for guns? Why? You’re not stopping kids from killing others, right? What’s the point? And child proof caps on cleaning chemicals and medicine. Just a pain in the ass. Get rid of them. Lighters? Those Bic lighters where you’ve got to press two buttons simultaneously while you flick to get it to light? Dumb! Go back to the old school lighters. Airbags? No good, either.

Is everyone who is eligible to be vaccinated, vaccinated?

How do you have time for all of this? Wasted your whole day...

Took me about a minute and I must say, I’m entertained by our exchanges but hardly enlightened. I miss the old days. Sigh (through my mask).

What did you want me to say? Counter argue they should ban alcohol, cigarettes and (most importantly) sugar? It's pointless. By the way, you meant to say - through my double mask.

Out of curiosity, do you think that life insurance companies will raise the rates on or refuse coverage for unvaccinated people in the same way they do for cigarette smokers, alcoholics, and obese people?  

Probably?  If something makes the odds too high of having to pay out, the insurance companies won't want to insure it.   There whole model works on everyone chipping into a pot, but only so many people need to take from the pot.    If unvaxxed people have too great a chance of landing in the hospital, it would tip those scales.

Exactly.  But it’s probably a pointless topic since most anti-vax idiots are probably too selfish and inconsiderate to consider life insurance anyway.  That, and I think some of them truly believe they are invincible.  I can’t keep up with their delusions anymore.

Why would you say "anti-vax idiots?" It's equivalent to "fat idiots." Over 50% of forum users are obese. Why not tell them to slow down on donut, coke and midnight snack consumption? Or mandate calorie intake restrictions. Same thing. Health choices.

By far the dumbest analogy I’ve seen lately, congrats.  If you didn’t believe eating donuts and cokes makes you fat, then yes, I would call you a fat idiot.  Where is your data that 50% of forum users are obese?  You state that as a fact with no research?  Sounds like you just believe what you want to with only assumptions to credit for those beliefs.  Sounds like a fabulous way to go about making medical decisions.

How is that the dumbest analogy? Did you know that much like the vaccine, there are plenty of studies that show that being overweight isn't healthy for you? Obesity has been on of COVID's biggest issues. Many of the people that have died are obese. It isn't hard to exercise yet people still don't do it. Funny how all of the anti-vax shamers don't go after the obese in the same way. If more people lived a healthier life, many lives could've been saved during this pandemic. Are obese people selfish? They take up hospital beds because of their life choices. They make life decisions to not be healthy much like the unvaccinated make their decision.

Thank you!

Your analogy is right on point and don't let anyone tell you anything different. Obese people make the decision to be obese much like the unvaccinated make their decision to not be vaccinated. Both have all the information they need but still make their own decision to be not be healthy. I am not advocating that everyone starts to shame the obese. To be clear, we shouldn't be shaming either group because it's only going to cause more division. There is a plethora of unhealthy decisions made every day by many of us yet the unvaccinated are the only ones being attacked daily.

It only works if the argument is related to hospitals.  But you could counter that by recognizing that the hospital system we have is developed for the demographics as they exist today, which includes the obese.  So yes, if we had fewer obese, we'd have fewer people in the hospital, but because that's a long societal curve, we'd also have fewer beds available.  Ergo, it would be likely that the pandemic would still tax the hospital system.  This is just basic second/third order effect reasoning. 

Obesity is NOT a contagion.  That's the difference.  

RunIntoTheRain said:

I tested positive today. Headache and body aches, low grade fever, coughing and congestion started yesterday. So far, it's tolerable with the Aleve I've been taking. Had my Pfizer booster in Sept so I'm sure that's helping keep it mild. I've tried so hard to avoid catching it. Oh well. Kind of felt inevitable with Omicron and working in retail.

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Lots of high level discussion and data in this thread lately...

How are you feeling. Cincy?  Kicking that viruses butt, I hope!

Thanks to Pfizer I am winning.  A bit of a rollercoaster, but I feel fortunate.

RunIntoTheRain said:

I tested positive today. Headache and body aches, low grade fever, coughing and congestion started yesterday. So far, it's tolerable with the Aleve I've been taking. Had my Pfizer booster in Sept so I'm sure that's helping keep it mild. I've tried so hard to avoid catching it. Oh well. Kind of felt inevitable with Omicron and working in retail.

Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response

Meltdown99 said:

Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says

brianlux said:

What ever happened to good common sense medical practice?