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Freedom.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Don't covid patients or those with covid have to be isolated and as such, it puts additional constraints on hospital bed capacities, resources and impacts staffing issues?oftenreading said:PJNB said:So my province in the next couple of weeks is going to go into level 3 lockdown meaning pretty much as strict as it gets. The reason will be that we hit 100 total cases of COVID in the hospital. That number has been going up the last couple of weeks(currently at 88) but icu and ventilator patients have been steady. My question here is now that we know roughly half of the patients in the hospital are not from COVID but with COVID should they all count towards that 100 or just the people that are in there being treated due to the virus? A bed is a bed no matter what the reason but to tie patients that are in the hospital for other reasons as a means to put more severe lockdowns in place is wrong imo.
The reality is that there is only so much bed capacity and only a limited number of options to try to reduce bed usage. Public health officials don't have options to change the potential number of people who might need a hospital bed due to a motor vehicle crash, an MI or stroke. They do have some options that can be used to affect the potential number of people who might need a hospital bed due to covid, and if bed capacity close to maximum then you use the levers that you have.
Absolutely having covid + patients in hospital, even if they are not severely ill, puts an additional strain on resources of all types, from physical space to PPE to availability of staff. Plus dealing with the isolation protocols for covid + patients takes an enormous amount of time, donning and doffing the PPE, which shouldn't be underestimated when looking at staffing. Higher numbers of covid positive patients also mean a higher likelihood that health care staff will be infected, which then leads to time of work, whether briefly (if they are self-isolating) or a much longer period of time if they become sick and major impacts on staffing.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Other than all the data that shows the amazing efficacy at preventing hospitalization and death, and for the two original rampant variants, the efficacy at preventing the disease, you're right. It's unfinished. Eyeroll. See these comments continue to reinforce why you couldn't understand that Fox interview.AW124797 said:
I know and I'm happy too, but can't force unfinished product on everybody. Freedom of choice.mfc2006 said:The fact that we even have a vaccine (and there are a few to choose from) is absolutely amazing. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
Give me the inferior vaccine over dying any fucking day. There's my story.0 -
i have basically been defending all of my poor health choices with an even dumber version. "freeduh".OnWis97 said:
Freedom.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Data? "The amazing efficacy" and record breaking cases globally as we speak. You're right. Eyeroll and a wink.mrussel1 said:
Other than all the data that shows the amazing efficacy at preventing hospitalization and death, and for the two original rampant variants, the efficacy at preventing the disease, you're right. It's unfinished. Eyeroll. See these comments continue to reinforce why you couldn't understand that Fox interview.AW124797 said:
I know and I'm happy too, but can't force unfinished product on everybody. Freedom of choice.mfc2006 said:The fact that we even have a vaccine (and there are a few to choose from) is absolutely amazing. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
Give me the inferior vaccine over dying any fucking day. There's my story.Post edited by AW124797 on0 -
interesting this thought of unfinished product.vax was developed on the earlier 2 strains at that time. found to be equally effective on the first varients.5 months in to available vax, delta arrives, still effective.then omicron with 52? variations attached to include cold virus dna?seems to me that the cold virus dna is whats key here. how the fuck can you expect these companies to foresee the exact combination of variations?the good news is with mrna its more easily adaptable, the bad news is it takes time to produce and distribute at scale.
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At what point would you consider a vaccine "finished", then, when many infectious agents mutate.AW124797 said:
I know and I'm happy too, but can't force unfinished product on everybody. Freedom of choice.mfc2006 said:The fact that we even have a vaccine (and there are a few to choose from) is absolutely amazing. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
Give me the inferior vaccine over dying any fucking day. There's my story.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I guess mutation is a foreign concept to you. There's a reason why year 2 of the Spanish Flu pandemic was far more deadly than year one. There's a reason why the flu shot is changed every year, as the virus mutates. These are not radical concepts for those of us that pay attention.AW124797 said:
Data? "The amazing efficacy" and record breaking cases globally as we speak. You're right. Eyeroll and a wink.mrussel1 said:
Other than all the data that shows the amazing efficacy at preventing hospitalization and death, and for the two original rampant variants, the efficacy at preventing the disease, you're right. It's unfinished. Eyeroll. See these comments continue to reinforce why you couldn't understand that Fox interview.AW124797 said:
I know and I'm happy too, but can't force unfinished product on everybody. Freedom of choice.mfc2006 said:The fact that we even have a vaccine (and there are a few to choose from) is absolutely amazing. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
Give me the inferior vaccine over dying any fucking day. There's my story.0 -
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
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Great point and good questionHalifax2TheMax said:Why bother?0 -
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this with my wife for years. Anything I can put on a salad is a vegetable, including steak.Poncier said:
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however.0 -
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this means ranch is a vegetable!!! best news i have heard all week!!!!!!!!mrussel1 said:
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this with my wife for years. Anything I can put on a salad is a vegetable, including steak.Poncier said:
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
mrussel1 said:
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this with my wife for years. Anything I can put on a salad is a vegetable, including steak.Poncier said:
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however.
beef eats grass, grains... its plant based.
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Inferior product? The one that has saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives?
What kind of fantasy are people living in here?
I just can't even wrap my head around.the ignorance.0 -
gimmesometruth27 said:
this means ranch is a vegetable!!! best news i have heard all week!!!!!!!!mrussel1 said:
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this with my wife for years. Anything I can put on a salad is a vegetable, including steak.Poncier said:
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however.
I love this place. It affirms my faith in humansmickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this with my wife for years. Anything I can put on a salad is a vegetable, including steak.Poncier said:
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however.
beef eats grass, grains... its plant based.
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We even had a repub president, Ronnie Rayguns, declare ketchup as a vegetable.mrussel1 said:gimmesometruth27 said:
this means ranch is a vegetable!!! best news i have heard all week!!!!!!!!mrussel1 said:
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this with my wife for years. Anything I can put on a salad is a vegetable, including steak.Poncier said:
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however.
I love this place. It affirms my faith in humansmickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this with my wife for years. Anything I can put on a salad is a vegetable, including steak.Poncier said:
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however.
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Halifax2TheMax said:
We even had a repub president, Ronnie Rayguns, declare ketchup as a vegetable.mrussel1 said:gimmesometruth27 said:
this means ranch is a vegetable!!! best news i have heard all week!!!!!!!!mrussel1 said:
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this with my wife for years. Anything I can put on a salad is a vegetable, including steak.Poncier said:
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however.
I love this place. It affirms my faith in humansmickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this with my wife for years. Anything I can put on a salad is a vegetable, including steak.Poncier said:
Potato chips are a vegetableHughFreakingDillon said:
so if have to survive on only available food like potato chips and coke, I should...starve, because they are inferior to vegetables?AW124797 said:
Inferior to any other vaccine on the market. Besides flu vaccine, of course.mrussel1 said:
Was the product inferior before Omnicron? If you say yes, you better have some really strong data to back up such a statement. And also tell us about the superior product comparatively.JB16057 said:
inferior product - current vaccineHughFreakingDillon said:
inferior product?AW124797 said:
Correct! I'm tired of mandates and propaganda with this inferior product - current vaccine. Hopefully, they'll come up with something better in the near future. Till then, "think for yourself and question authority."HughFreakingDillon said:I think what A-dub is saying is that when the vaccine effectiveness first was reported at up to 90%, yes, people were rejoicing. However, once we learned more about how the effectiveness wanes, but also can be thrown for a loop, depending on the next variant, so it was kind of a false hope that we were given. (however, we were given that hope since that was all that was known at the time)
I think he/she is speaking somewhat off the cuff about it, using adjectives that are absolute, when we should know they don't mean it literally.
correct me if I'm wrong, however.
beef eats grass, grains... its plant based.
which is dumb. tomatoes are fruit
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