Jeffrey Epstein and Friends
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I’ve always thought the same. It reminds me of a football team who complains about the rules after they lose a game. But if the rules were different, they’d have a different strategy. If they go for it on 4th down, how often they throw or run the ball, etc are all influenced by the rules in place. Change when the clock stops or what happens after a missed field goal and it’s a completely different game.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!0 -
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!0 -
And sadly women politicians need to be perceived as more likable than their male counterparts.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!0 -
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
if only she had been caught on a hot mic bragging about grabbing men by the gonads at will, she'd have won.Go Beavers said:
And sadly women politicians need to be perceived as more likable than their male counterparts.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
There was proof that the democratic party played favorite to her over Bernie. They wanted to make sure that she got the billing and not Sanders.HughFreakingDillon said:
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
There was proof that the democratic party played favorite to her over Bernie. They wanted to make sure that she got the billing and not Sanders.HughFreakingDillon said:
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!
with her out of it , how did that work out for bernie in 2020?
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I understand who they clearly wanted to win, but she won by way of votes and confirmed by delegates.tempo_n_groove said:
There was proof that the democratic party played favorite to her over Bernie. They wanted to make sure that she got the billing and not Sanders.HughFreakingDillon said:
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Bernie lost steam after that one. Why people chose Biden I'll never understand either...mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
There was proof that the democratic party played favorite to her over Bernie. They wanted to make sure that she got the billing and not Sanders.HughFreakingDillon said:
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!
with her out of it , how did that work out for bernie in 2020?0 -
Because he was definitely one to fuck everything up. Even worse than POOTWH. Let's go Brandon! Who did you choose?tempo_n_groove said:
Bernie lost steam after that one. Why people chose Biden I'll never understand either...mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
There was proof that the democratic party played favorite to her over Bernie. They wanted to make sure that she got the billing and not Sanders.HughFreakingDillon said:
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!
with her out of it , how did that work out for bernie in 2020?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I liked Bernie the first time around, not so much the 2nd... I wanted Andrew Yang.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because he was definitely one to fuck everything up. Even worse than POOTWH. Let's go Brandon! Who did you choose?tempo_n_groove said:
Bernie lost steam after that one. Why people chose Biden I'll never understand either...mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
There was proof that the democratic party played favorite to her over Bernie. They wanted to make sure that she got the billing and not Sanders.HughFreakingDillon said:
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!
with her out of it , how did that work out for bernie in 2020?0 -
Why Yang? GUI? You really thought he was qualified to be POTUS? Did Bernie change that much in 4 years?tempo_n_groove said:
I liked Bernie the first time around, not so much the 2nd... I wanted Andrew Yang.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because he was definitely one to fuck everything up. Even worse than POOTWH. Let's go Brandon! Who did you choose?tempo_n_groove said:
Bernie lost steam after that one. Why people chose Biden I'll never understand either...mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
There was proof that the democratic party played favorite to her over Bernie. They wanted to make sure that she got the billing and not Sanders.HughFreakingDillon said:
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!
with her out of it , how did that work out for bernie in 2020?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I didn't want an old white guy in the office anymore, it's ridiculous to have someone in there over 60.Halifax2TheMax said:
Why Yang? GUI? You really thought he was qualified to be POTUS? Did Bernie change that much in 4 years?tempo_n_groove said:
I liked Bernie the first time around, not so much the 2nd... I wanted Andrew Yang.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because he was definitely one to fuck everything up. Even worse than POOTWH. Let's go Brandon! Who did you choose?tempo_n_groove said:
Bernie lost steam after that one. Why people chose Biden I'll never understand either...mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
There was proof that the democratic party played favorite to her over Bernie. They wanted to make sure that she got the billing and not Sanders.HughFreakingDillon said:
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!
with her out of it , how did that work out for bernie in 2020?
Yes I liked Yang. He is one smart cookie. I liked his vision and ideas. Not sure how well he would do on foreign policy though.0 -
I liked him, too. Qualified? Maybe not, but qualified is not really a qualification any more. Certainly would have been more fit than Trump. I think there's a chance he'd have been going into it intent on being transparent and not corrupt (of course a lot of people thought that's what they were voting for in Trump, so who knows...)tempo_n_groove said:
I didn't want an old white guy in the office anymore, it's ridiculous to have someone in there over 60.Halifax2TheMax said:
Why Yang? GUI? You really thought he was qualified to be POTUS? Did Bernie change that much in 4 years?tempo_n_groove said:
I liked Bernie the first time around, not so much the 2nd... I wanted Andrew Yang.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because he was definitely one to fuck everything up. Even worse than POOTWH. Let's go Brandon! Who did you choose?tempo_n_groove said:
Bernie lost steam after that one. Why people chose Biden I'll never understand either...mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
There was proof that the democratic party played favorite to her over Bernie. They wanted to make sure that she got the billing and not Sanders.HughFreakingDillon said:
strange, I thought she was chosen by the people who voted in the primaries. interesting.....in all seriousness, I did read some time ago that her campaign team (or she) made some massive gaffes by completely ignoring campaigning in certain places she really should have, and it cost her big.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!
with her out of it , how did that work out for bernie in 2020?
Yes I liked Yang. He is one smart cookie. I liked his vision and ideas. Not sure how well he would do on foreign policy though.
I'm not as much of a fan of him and his new party (whatever it's called). I think he's bought into his own hype a bit and is trying to save something he can't save.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Pretty weak background to be POTUS. The duel demands of executive branch/office appointments and navigating Congress would have made him a terrible POTUS. Would you take an old black guy in office? How about an old woman over 60? Should 60 be the limit for CEOs and any other positions of power/responsibility? Congress, governorships, any elected office?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I'm seeing some interesting discussions that suggest Epstein got his wealth from blackmailing his rich customers...the kind of customers that liked him supplying underage girls to them.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I wanted different and Yang was who I liked. Beto was a distant 2nd for me. Who did you want?Halifax2TheMax said:Pretty weak background to be POTUS. The duel demands of executive branch/office appointments and navigating Congress would have made him a terrible POTUS. Would you take an old black guy in office? How about an old woman over 60? Should 60 be the limit for CEOs and any other positions of power/responsibility? Congress, governorships, any elected office?0 -
I was Ridin’ with Biden. But would have voted any dem against POOTWH. So far, so good.tempo_n_groove said:
I wanted different and Yang was who I liked. Beto was a distant 2nd for me. Who did you want?Halifax2TheMax said:Pretty weak background to be POTUS. The duel demands of executive branch/office appointments and navigating Congress would have made him a terrible POTUS. Would you take an old black guy in office? How about an old woman over 60? Should 60 be the limit for CEOs and any other positions of power/responsibility? Congress, governorships, any elected office?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Main reason she lost is Jim Comey.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
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Those damn emails again.The Juggler said:
Main reason she lost is Jim Comey.tempo_n_groove said:
She lost because people don't like her. The democratic war machine propped her on a pedestal and crowned her queen but they didn't read the room.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.gimmesometruth27 said:
don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.Go Beavers said:
Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground.Parksy said:
I had this thought recently... that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump. Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds.. etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings.OnWis97 said:bootlegger10 said:I hope the truth comes out. Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved. He is doing great things trying to advance society. Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.Everyone should hope the truth comes out. But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side." If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.I don't wish them well...
I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process. Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship. Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing. I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people.
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