Jeffrey Epstein and Friends

She was convicted and never named one person(s) that used her and Epstein's services?  Not one?

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

She was convicted and never named one person(s) that used her and Epstein's services?  Not one?

witnesses testified who has flown on epstein's plane though, so that is public record now. i am sure there were more than were stated in the trial though.

Small potatoes.  Nobody big.

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

She was convicted and never named one person(s) that used her and Epstein's services?  Not one?

witnesses testified who has flown on epstein's plane though, so that is public record now. i am sure there were more than were stated in the trial though.

Small potatoes.  Nobody big.

Yeah all I wanted was some dirt on one of these two. If there's none, we can close the door on giving a crap about anything Jeffrey Epstein-related....

Yep.  What were they doing there?

The Juggler said:

I think now that she is convicted and knows she will spend life in prison, there's a better chance of her spilling the beans now. It's her only way to not rotting in a jail cell her whole life. 

That is a death sentence...

gimmesometruth27 said:

she might appeal.

Oh that would be rich.  She is out and about and next thing you know she hangs herself...

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

I think now that she is convicted and knows she will spend life in prison, there's a better chance of her spilling the beans now. It's her only way to not rotting in a jail cell her whole life. 

That is a death sentence...

Yeah maybe. She doesn't have a lot of good options that is for sure!

The Juggler said:

I think now that she is convicted and knows she will spend life in prison, there's a better chance of her spilling the beans now. It's her only way to not rotting in a jail cell her whole life. 

Yep. She’s a criminal and a sex offender, she’s not going to name names for the greater good of society and tge victims. She’ll only do it as part of some deal to reduce her sentence. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.

Everyone should hope the truth comes out.  But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side."  If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.

That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.

I don't wish them well...

people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings. 

I had this thought recently...  that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump.  Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds..  etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going. 

I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process.  Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship.  Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing.  I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people. 

Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!  

Parksy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.

Everyone should hope the truth comes out.  But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side."  If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.

That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.

I don't wish them well...

people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings. 

I had this thought recently...  that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump.  Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds..  etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going. 

I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process.  Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship.  Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing.  I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people. 

Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!  

Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground. 

gimmesometruth27 said:

Go Beavers said:

Parksy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.

Everyone should hope the truth comes out.  But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side."  If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.

That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.

I don't wish them well...

people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings. 

I had this thought recently...  that the Clinton's in an odd way are somewhat responsible for Trump.  Or more accurately... in the divisive culture war fiercely being fought on the internet between the left and the right, dems and the reps, blues and reds..  etc. the sheer ignorance of both sides' failures are what keep this shit going. 

I regrettably watched Trump's first impeachment closely and honestly got stuck in the left's echo chamber. But then I saw something kind of interesting about Clinton's impeachment in the process.  Some of those senators and congressmen/women that were around during both impeachments sang remarkably similar tunes... none of which were in the interest of the public or for the truth... but in the interests of partisanship.  Between the two chiefs.. Clinton and Trump... it should be obvious to all that BOTH should have been impeached. It takes leadership and courage to say that you're own team is failing.  I'm not old enough to remember the fine details about the Clinton impeachment and the dems at that time.... but presently.... in the culture war today we need more Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney types. Call out your own leader. Call out your own party... in the interests of truth and the people. 

Whatever becomes of this Epstein/Maxwell thing... truth and consequence for all I say!  

Trump’s success due to Clinton was largely due to the bonkers irrational demonization from republicans that started when Bill was president. They kept it going through Bush and Obama, and despite Hillary getting decent approval ratings as SOS and Senator, once she was running for prez, all they had to do was make baseless claims about her being corrupt. Republican voters were so far gone at that point that somehow Trump had the moral and ethical high ground. 

don't forget that hillary actually won the popular vote by over 3 million votes. trump won in just a few key states to win the electoral college.

I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people keep bringing this up. The popular vote has never mattered. I actually agree with Trump that if it did, he still would have won. It wildly changes your campaign strategy, or it should if you have a good campaign team. And that's why she lost.