Capitalism Sucks.

DM282158 · December 2021

On the Defense side, if paying more helps ensure venues, especially theaters, recover and survive long term - then I’m on board. They all got porked for a long time.

100 Pacer · December 2021

NYC is experiencing a cream cheese shortage.

These are all first world problems.

Poncier · December 2021

100 Pacer said:

NYC is experiencing a cream cheese shortage.

These are all first world problems.

Will nobody think of the bagels?

cp3iverson · December 2021

The Lego Store is charging $649 for the Titanic.

That’s almost 3 tickets to Eddie.

Doesnt sound that bad anymore does it.

Spiritual_Chaos · December 2021

cp3iverson said:

The Lego Store is charging $649 for the Titanic.
That’s almost 3 tickets to Eddie.

Doesnt sound that bad anymore does it.

Who are you to come in here and attack the Danes?

cp3iverson · December 2021

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cp3iverson said:

The Lego Store is charging $649 for the Titanic.
That’s almost 3 tickets to Eddie.

Doesnt sound that bad anymore does it.

Who are you to come in here and attack the Danes?

Hey I’m funding the Danes with those prices.

jdopj · December 2021

Clapper said:

This continues to be one of the most wildly out of touch fan bases on the planet. I've said it before and I'll say it a million more times. This is for profit organization. This is their work, their profession and not a hobby. $250/ticket isn't even close to top end pricing for a top level touring act with this demand. Even at $250/ticket these guys are leaving a a big pile of money on the table. I know a lot of our base is stuck in 1994 gen x angst but it's time to grow up. These guys aren't 25 and touring in a van. These a full scale professional operations with professional staffs, venues, travel costs, insurance costs, and a slew of other expenses all of those costs need to be covered AND turn a profit. Every time a band or solo tour that gets announced here it is met with....why aren't tickets the same price there were back in the 90's? The band has changed! Of course they've changed. Almost everything in the world has changed. its been 30 years. If you haven't changed a bit in that time, the problem isn't the band. Bands don't get rich from having a hit single anymore, they get 8 cents from Spotify. The majority of their income comes from touring.

The reality is, that Pearl Jam still charges going rate from 10-15 years ago and plays 2.5 hours+ for us. Grab a ticket for one of their contemporaries like Red Hot Chili Peppers. and you'll be paying $200 for the last row of the floors and they'll play an exactly 90 minute standard headliner set. Try a newer Top 20 artist and the whole lower bowl and floor is "official platinum" seating that runs from $350 to $900. $250/ticket for a tour that has all of 8 shows or whatever it is , in intimate theatres where there are really no bad seats is pretty good value if you're living in reality. Those acts also don't protect tickets for fans in the amount that Ed and the band allocate. We've been spoiled and it never shows more than when it's ticket time.

Its hard when anything we like or are interested in comes at a cost that exceeds our budget or comfort level but that doesn't make it a capitalist trap, a ripoff or unfair. Especially in a case like this where the artist could easily get twice that at face value. Our base, as loyal and true as they may be, need to be re-introduced to the real world.

This all day. Wake up people.

JimmyV · December 2021

I realize I am in the minority, but this for profit industry is, for the first time, pushing concert tickets I'm not interested in at a price I'm not willing to pay. That's new.

on2legs · December 2021

cp3iverson said:

The Lego Store is charging $649 for the Titanic.
That’s almost 3 tickets to Eddie.

Doesnt sound that bad anymore does it.

I’m seriously contemplating getting the Lego Home Alone set if it ever comes back in stock. 😂

HughFreakingDillon · December 2021

OceansJenny said:

Soul Glo said:

I see it being the best $200 I'll spend all year. These guys aren't getting any younger. One of these days the shows will stop and I'll look back and kick myself for not going to more.

To each their own though.

Yup. Prices are high but I didn’t hesitate. One day it will be over.

Think of the people who thought they would catch ToTD “next time”.

this guy right here. MASSIVE REGRET. (it wasn't about the ticket price, however, it was bad timing to shell out for the travel)

ddeschler · December 2021

Think of the people who thought they would catch ToTD “next time”.

FOMO is a powerful force to cause ticket purchases. But I'm still not buying in on this EV and friends money grab. I might worry about missing out, if I wasn't sitting on tickets to 5 PJ shows, with the possibility of more being announced for fall 2022. And EV and friends' music doesn't do nearly as much for me as PJ does.

cp3iverson · December 2021

on2legs said:

cp3iverson said:

The Lego Store is charging $649 for the Titanic.
That’s almost 3 tickets to Eddie.

Doesnt sound that bad anymore does it.

I’m seriously contemplating getting the Lego Home Alone set if it ever comes back in stock. 😂

Dude I just bought it on Wednesday. It’s incredible and we’re only 4 bags in. I just kept calling my local store and they ended up getting a few of them in.

We’re going to use it as a Christmas decoration moving forward

Lerxst1992 · December 2021

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

“I’d rather be a hypocrite than the same person forever” -Ad Rock

Not a very good comparison. Ad Rock's talking here about how their beliefs/stances in the 90's contradicted their misogyny of the 80's. So they changed, but for the better.

Change for better or worse depends on your point of view. I’m aware of the context. Point is you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it. You don’t give them room to evolve in whatever way they choose

Sure but you can call them a hypocrite if you want to.

Take Donald Trump for instance. He is very against illegal immigration, except he isn't, because prior to running for president, he was an illegal immigration enabler, hiring hundreds if not thousands to work at his golf courses and hotels. "But now I'm running for president, so forget about that." You could say "you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it." But he's still a hypocrite.

In 1995, Eddie said, "It’s extremely important that [our shows] are available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 ($90 in today's money) tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket."

So what's changed? Is he no longer "frightened" by changing his audience? Is it no longer "extremely important" that his shows are available to everyone? The answer to both questions is no. So just how Trump would say "Forget about what I said in the past, I want your vote," Eddie's saying "Forget about what I said in the past, I want more money."

Maybe because his audience bashes him every chance they get. Do this or do that. Blaming him for things not writing another Ten. About not touring extensively. Why did you cut your hair? Why are you playing a ukulele?
If he charged $50 for these shows. He still won't win. Because there are people who will say that's too much as well

fans that didn't want to join a club 30 years ago locked out of the best Pearl Jam seats ..............forever

That sucks a hell of alot more than these ticket prices. But posting truth like that is no bueno here

igotid88 · December 2021

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

“I’d rather be a hypocrite than the same person forever” -Ad Rock

Not a very good comparison. Ad Rock's talking here about how their beliefs/stances in the 90's contradicted their misogyny of the 80's. So they changed, but for the better.

Change for better or worse depends on your point of view. I’m aware of the context. Point is you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it. You don’t give them room to evolve in whatever way they choose

Sure but you can call them a hypocrite if you want to.

Take Donald Trump for instance. He is very against illegal immigration, except he isn't, because prior to running for president, he was an illegal immigration enabler, hiring hundreds if not thousands to work at his golf courses and hotels. "But now I'm running for president, so forget about that." You could say "you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it." But he's still a hypocrite.

In 1995, Eddie said, "It’s extremely important that [our shows] are available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 ($90 in today's money) tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket."

So what's changed? Is he no longer "frightened" by changing his audience? Is it no longer "extremely important" that his shows are available to everyone? The answer to both questions is no. So just how Trump would say "Forget about what I said in the past, I want your vote," Eddie's saying "Forget about what I said in the past, I want more money."

Maybe because his audience bashes him every chance they get. Do this or do that. Blaming him for things not writing another Ten. About not touring extensively. Why did you cut your hair? Why are you playing a ukulele?
If he charged $50 for these shows. He still won't win. Because there are people who will say that's too much as well

fans that didn't want to join a club 30 years ago locked out of the best Pearl Jam seats ..............forever

That sucks a hell of alot more than these ticket prices. But posting truth like that is no bueno here

I don't think 100% of the original members are still members.

Yefa · December 2021

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

“I’d rather be a hypocrite than the same person forever” -Ad Rock

Not a very good comparison. Ad Rock's talking here about how their beliefs/stances in the 90's contradicted their misogyny of the 80's. So they changed, but for the better.

Change for better or worse depends on your point of view. I’m aware of the context. Point is you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it. You don’t give them room to evolve in whatever way they choose

Sure but you can call them a hypocrite if you want to.

Take Donald Trump for instance. He is very against illegal immigration, except he isn't, because prior to running for president, he was an illegal immigration enabler, hiring hundreds if not thousands to work at his golf courses and hotels. "But now I'm running for president, so forget about that." You could say "you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it." But he's still a hypocrite.

In 1995, Eddie said, "It’s extremely important that [our shows] are available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 ($90 in today's money) tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket."

So what's changed? Is he no longer "frightened" by changing his audience? Is it no longer "extremely important" that his shows are available to everyone? The answer to both questions is no. So just how Trump would say "Forget about what I said in the past, I want your vote," Eddie's saying "Forget about what I said in the past, I want more money."

Maybe because his audience bashes him every chance they get. Do this or do that. Blaming him for things not writing another Ten. About not touring extensively. Why did you cut your hair? Why are you playing a ukulele?
If he charged $50 for these shows. He still won't win. Because there are people who will say that's too much as well

fans that didn't want to join a club 30 years ago locked out of the best Pearl Jam seats ..............forever

That sucks a hell of alot more than these ticket prices. But posting truth like that is no bueno here

The best tickets are GA. Those are equally available to recent 10 Club members and longtime members.

Zod · December 2021

igotid88 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

“I’d rather be a hypocrite than the same person forever” -Ad Rock

Not a very good comparison. Ad Rock's talking here about how their beliefs/stances in the 90's contradicted their misogyny of the 80's. So they changed, but for the better.

Change for better or worse depends on your point of view. I’m aware of the context. Point is you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it. You don’t give them room to evolve in whatever way they choose

Sure but you can call them a hypocrite if you want to.

Take Donald Trump for instance. He is very against illegal immigration, except he isn't, because prior to running for president, he was an illegal immigration enabler, hiring hundreds if not thousands to work at his golf courses and hotels. "But now I'm running for president, so forget about that." You could say "you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it." But he's still a hypocrite.

In 1995, Eddie said, "It’s extremely important that [our shows] are available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 ($90 in today's money) tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket."

So what's changed? Is he no longer "frightened" by changing his audience? Is it no longer "extremely important" that his shows are available to everyone? The answer to both questions is no. So just how Trump would say "Forget about what I said in the past, I want your vote," Eddie's saying "Forget about what I said in the past, I want more money."

Maybe because his audience bashes him every chance they get. Do this or do that. Blaming him for things not writing another Ten. About not touring extensively. Why did you cut your hair? Why are you playing a ukulele?
If he charged $50 for these shows. He still won't win. Because there are people who will say that's too much as well

fans that didn't want to join a club 30 years ago locked out of the best Pearl Jam seats ..............forever

That sucks a hell of alot more than these ticket prices. But posting truth like that is no bueno here

I don't think 100% of the original members are still members.

No but once seniority started, people with lower numbers (for the most part, not everyone) kept their numbers because of the seat location. I don't think there's much attrition in the older ranks of the 10c. Before GA, my membership which started in Jan '98, the seats got further back with every tour (multiple shows, 4 seats being lotto etc.). The seats never got better. Ergo on average people weren't giving up their older memberships.

I don't think really thing people have much of a chance from getting from the back of the 10c section to the front. Probably attrition for people who didn't get the memberships in 90's or early 00's, but I don't think people give up the memberships easily because of seat location.

That's why I thought GA was a breath of fresh air. I got closer to the stage than I had in years, and it was pretty fun.

Zod · December 2021

JimmyV said:

I realize I am in the minority, but this for profit industry is, for the first time, pushing concert tickets I'm not interested in at a price I'm not willing to pay. That's new.

I'm at the point where I'll pay it for my favourite band, but I don't for other bands. I've declined going to see GNR, Metallica, U2 and what not the last tours that came around, because I'm questioning if I need to see that band for the Xth amount of time for X amount of dollars. I still feel PJ or EV are worth it, but many other bands I'll skip a tour or two.. or skip the stadium tour and hope for an arena tour a few years down the road.

Still... rock bands only have so much gas left in the can.. there's gonna be day there's not big arena/stadium act's left I want to go see. I suppose I should go while I can.

Foriginal Sin · December 2021

Some people here are like “I remember when a dime bag only cost a dime.”

Everyone bitching hasn’t gone shopping in the last 18 months. Some products have gone up 40% this year alone. I don’t bitch about a Range Rover costing so much, I adapt and get something else. Grow the fuck up, get a job. This may shock some of you: Prices ONLY go up. Sounds like a bunch of participation trophies have been handed out in this thread

HughFreakingDillon · December 2021

Zod said:

JimmyV said:

I realize I am in the minority, but this for profit industry is, for the first time, pushing concert tickets I'm not interested in at a price I'm not willing to pay. That's new.

I'm at the point where I'll pay it for my favourite band, but I don't for other bands. I've declined going to see GNR, Metallica, U2 and what not the last tours that came around, because I'm questioning if I need to see that band for the Xth amount of time for X amount of dollars. I still feel PJ or EV are worth it, but many other bands I'll skip a tour or two.. or skip the stadium tour and hope for an arena tour a few years down the road.

Still... rock bands only have so much gas left in the can.. there's gonna be day there's not big arena/stadium act's left I want to go see. I suppose I should go while I can.

this really isn't any different than many boomers declining to go see the Eagles or Fleetwood Mac on their most recent tours whereas people in gen x were willing to shell out the $300 because they were too young to see them the last time they came around, and who knows when/if they'd come around again. Now our bands are costing that much, and some of our generation are passing because we've seen these bands multiple times at a fraction of the price in their prime, and the younger generation (and gen xers with loads of cash) are going. same cycle.

JimmyV · December 2021

Saw the last Eagles tour before Glen Frey died at the Wang Theatre in Boston for less than Eddie is charging. Saw the last Fleetwood Mac tour in Providence before they fired Lindsey Buckingham for less than Eddie is charging. Yes, both shows were pre-COVID but we are only talking a few years ago.

Also, both shows were awesome.

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