Capitalism Sucks.

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    OceansJenny said:
    static111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I think many of you throughout these threads have made compelling arguments as to why these prices may not be as bad as they initially look, but there is no way I would ever pay these prices for Ed and his side band. It's not Pearl Jam. It's Ed and a lesser band. 
    The reality is that Ed is the band.  I ve seen pj minus Ed (totd) and it wasn’t nearly as good.  
    Weird comparison. 
    Why?  I d rather see Ed with a backing band than Pearl Jam with another singer.  
    Id rather see Neil Jam than EV and the Earthlings and I would probably easily pay 250 or more per ticket.
    Yeah different strokes. No way I’d pay for Neil.
    Who would say something like that
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Oh.


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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,076
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    OceansJenny said:
    static111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I think many of you throughout these threads have made compelling arguments as to why these prices may not be as bad as they initially look, but there is no way I would ever pay these prices for Ed and his side band. It's not Pearl Jam. It's Ed and a lesser band. 
    The reality is that Ed is the band.  I ve seen pj minus Ed (totd) and it wasn’t nearly as good.  
    Weird comparison. 
    Why?  I d rather see Ed with a backing band than Pearl Jam with another singer.  
    Id rather see Neil Jam than EV and the Earthlings and I would probably easily pay 250 or more per ticket.
    Yeah different strokes. No way I’d pay for Neil.
    Who would say something like that
    a truly terrible person  =) JK
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  • 1STmammal2wearPants
    1STmammal2wearPants Worcester, MA Posts: 2,983
    They're expensive. I'm not going. That being said, I've seen Pearl Jam at Sea.Hear.Now and next year in Quebec, for fair prices.

    Simple that you don't have to go - I think the thread title is ridiculous in that the capitalism ire should be directed at folks like the CEOs of companies worth millions and millions who consistently make the wealth gap worse, and provide no value to the world. Pearl Jam has given so much to all of us over the years with their music alone. 
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    edited December 2021
    1STmammal2wearPants said:
    They're expensive. I'm not going. That being said, I've seen Pearl Jam at Sea.Hear.Now and next year in Quebec, for fair prices.

    Simple that you don't have to go - I think the thread title is ridiculous in that the capitalism ire should be directed at folks like the CEOs of companies worth millions and millions who consistently make the wealth gap worse, and provide no value to the world. Pearl Jam has given so much to all of us over the years with their music alone. 
    Agree with this. My concerns aren't really about capitalism and I don't believe it sucks. 
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  • Soul Glo
    Soul Glo Posts: 8
    I see it being the best $200 I'll spend all year. These guys aren't getting any younger. One of these days the shows will stop and I'll look back and kick myself for not going to more.

    To each their own though. 
  • OceansJenny
    OceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,409
    Soul Glo said:
    I see it being the best $200 I'll spend all year. These guys aren't getting any younger. One of these days the shows will stop and I'll look back and kick myself for not going to more.

    To each their own though. 
    Yup. Prices are high but I didn’t hesitate. One day it will be over.

    Think of the people who thought they would catch ToTD “next time”.
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Does the artist or venue set the ticket price? 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    Depends on the terms between the promoter/venue/artists management. It varies.


  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,896
    OceansJenny said:
    Soul Glo said:
    I see it being the best $200 I'll spend all year. These guys aren't getting any younger. One of these days the shows will stop and I'll look back and kick myself for not going to more.

    To each their own though. 
    Yup. Prices are high but I didn’t hesitate. One day it will be over.

    Think of the people who thought they would catch ToTD “next time”.

    That's my thought process too.   Band isn't getting any younger.   I'll keep going to EV and PJ shows while I can, because when I'm older I'll probably wish I could go to them.

    My biggest concern isn't the ticket prices it's the venue size.  It's going to be hard to win tickets.  Benaroya only sits 2500 people.  Probably lots of comp tickets for family/friends.  That's maybe 1000 pairs between TM and 10c?

    I think that's going to be a hard ticket to acquire :(
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    500 ticket to friends and family seems like a lot. But the point stands, these are crazy expensive because these places are small.

  • OceansJenny
    OceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,409
    If this are the new reality of today’s ticket pricing everyone who held on to 2020 PJ tour tickets should be happy!!

    But instead we got a flood of complaints about holding money hostage etc. If they went fresh with sales today there could very much be a cost hike, as it appears playing a show today is much more expensive for reasons already pointed out.

    We may have gotten a deal unexpectedly buying over a year in advance.
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited December 2021
    Ticket prices have gone up disproportionately to inflation sure.  So has posters, vinyl etc. 

    I can’t think of a single instance when anyone here is selling a 30 year old poster worth 2k for 15 bucks because that’s what they bought it for at a show in the 90’s. Someone tired of their benny? Do they sell it for what they paid from the 10 club? Not a chance.  They don’t even have to be a flipper. Just some normal PJ fan who no longer wants to display a poster from 1998.  They absolutely will try to get as much as possible 

    people are holding band members to a higher standard than they even apply to themselves and then judging them for being greedy.  It’s totally fair to be against the ticket prices, but not if you are then selling stuff at even more obscene markups, and any rational person is going to get as much as they can for their stuff when they no longer want it anymore.  

    If people are 100% consistent in what they expect of others as they expect of themselves. Fair enough. That’s not reality though 


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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    I m surprised they aren’t playing bigger Venues like msg. No doubt they would sell it out.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited December 2021
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m surprised they aren’t playing bigger Venues like msg. No doubt they would sell it out.  
    Eddie went bigger and bigger with his solo tours. Saw him the first time at the Hammersmith in London and the last time an unattractive handball arena in Dusseldorf. Like it was uneasy big, just a step down from a Pearl Jam arena. 

    So I guess this short run of shows will be smaller, than a second run.


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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,548
    Also, if PJ are touring next year, I'm sure they would like to define PJ as the bigger act, so smaller venues for Ed means its not the main draw for the year. Though, other than 2-3 markets, IDK if Ed can sell out venues the same size as PJ. 

  • jimjam1982
    jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,471
    I'm not sure this thread makes sense. How does capitalism suck? If we lived in a communist society PJ wouldn't exist.

    What you are experiencing today is the effects of socialism. Please rename thread to socialism sucks. Thx
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,630
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
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    Cropduster-80 said:
    “I’d rather be a hypocrite than the same person forever” -Ad Rock
    Not a very good comparison. Ad Rock's talking here about how their beliefs/stances in the 90's contradicted their misogyny of the 80's. So they changed, but for the better.  
    Change for better or worse depends on your point of view. I’m aware of the context.  Point is you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it.  You don’t give them room to evolve in whatever way they choose
    Sure but you can call them a hypocrite if you want to.

    Take Donald Trump for instance. He is very against illegal immigration, except he isn't, because prior to running for president, he was an illegal immigration enabler, hiring hundreds if not thousands to work at his golf courses and hotels. "But now I'm running for president, so forget about that." You could say "you can’t hold someone to what they use to say or believe if they no longer believe it." But he's still a hypocrite. 

    In 1995, Eddie said, "It’s extremely important that [our shows] are available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 ($90 in today's money) tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket."

    So what's changed? Is he no longer "frightened" by changing his audience? Is it no longer "extremely important" that his shows are available to everyone? The answer to both questions is no. So just how Trump would say "Forget about what I said in the past, I want your vote," Eddie's saying "Forget about what I said in the past, I want more money."

    Maybe because his audience bashes him every chance they get. Do this or do that. Blaming him for things not writing another Ten. About not touring extensively. Why did you cut your hair? Why are you playing a ukulele? 
    If he charged $50 for these shows. He still won't win. Because there are people who will say that's too much as well
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,896
    OceansJenny said:
    If this are the new reality of today’s ticket pricing everyone who held on to 2020 PJ tour tickets should be happy!!

    But instead we got a flood of complaints about holding money hostage etc. If they went fresh with sales today there could very much be a cost hike, as it appears playing a show today is much more expensive for reasons already pointed out.

    We may have gotten a deal unexpectedly buying over a year in advance.

    Yah.  I kind of get the feeling alot businesses (like the music business) are going to skyrocket prices as everything opens up again.  Bands/Crews/Promoters/Ticket Agenciies.  No one made money for almost 2 years.  They probably lost money as they probably didn't recoup expenses already paid for tours, still had to pay some staff to hold the fort (while not bringing in any income).

    For all those business sectors that had to suck it up while they lost money for the last 2 years... they're going to make up for it :(

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