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  • deweil
    deweil Posts: 245
    Eddieredder said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    igotid88 said:
    Eddieredder said:
    People need to temper expectations. Small venues. It’s gonna be really really hard to get tix. You are complaining about prices of things you probably can’t get in the first place
    That's another thing they'll complain about if the tickets were $40 and and they couldn't get in
    The threads complaining about not getting tickets will outnumber the threads complaining about ticket prices.
    Millions of people going for thousands of tickets. Do the math. You should go into this EXPECTING to lose
    millions? i don't think so. 

  • goblues82
    goblues82 Posts: 260
    Falling Down said:
    If you want to spend $500 on a fancy restaurant with your spouse it’s your choice. Same for luxury cars. Same for five star hotels. Same for concert tickets. No one is forcing anyone to buy them. Of course $500 for a pair of EV/Earthlings tickets is too expensive and a bit ridiculous. But I just don’t get why people complain. Just don’t buy them and use your money on something else. 


    I think it’s just the hypocrisy some people are tasting….
  • goblues82
    goblues82 Posts: 260
    edited December 2021
    dlymnfld said:
    Falling Down said:
    If you want to spend $500 on a fancy restaurant with your spouse it’s your choice. Same for luxury cars. Same for five star hotels. Same for concert tickets. No one is forcing anyone to buy them. Of course $500 for a pair of EV/Earthlings tickets is too expensive and a bit ridiculous. But I just don’t get why people complain. Just don’t buy them and use your money on something else. 
    I agree. I’m not complaining just rather drop $500 on a destination show. People will pay and show will sell out. Is what it is. My brother has season tickets to Patriots for 25 years. We call his seats the stock market. No problem selling over cost during Brady years. This year he ate all four tickets to opening day against Dolphins because everyone thought they be bad and sold second game at half price. Now they are “good” again and he’s selling over cost. With everything, if there is value it will sell. 
    Sounds like a scalper who can’t scalp well.
  • goblues82
    goblues82 Posts: 260
    deweil said:
    Eddieredder said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    igotid88 said:
    Eddieredder said:
    People need to temper expectations. Small venues. It’s gonna be really really hard to get tix. You are complaining about prices of things you probably can’t get in the first place
    That's another thing they'll complain about if the tickets were $40 and and they couldn't get in
    The threads complaining about not getting tickets will outnumber the threads complaining about ticket prices.
    Millions of people going for thousands of tickets. Do the math. You should go into this EXPECTING to lose
    millions? i don't think so. 

    You really think a million people are going for $230 Eddie VEDDER tickets to go check him out to play half a set of covers and the other half of Pearl Jam rejected album songs on a Tuesday night in February?

    😂🤣

    my prediction is the mid 40s gang buys the 4 ticket max and holds them all the way to show day just to waggle their wieners that they got tickets as some kind of degenerate social commodity then I buy them for $20 on stub hub the day of when the people they thought they were selling to also look on stub hub and see tickets are going for $20. 
  • PureandEasy
    PureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    I just copied and pasted a response to another thread regarding the same topic.  I replied to someone who calculated it would be $8 a day from now until his show for his ticket (???)  my response: 

     And that is exactly what they're counting on.  I've seen PJ, seen Ed solo, numerous (MANY) times, no way would I pay that kind of money now.  I've never been disappointed but done shelling out the big $$.  I still have two tix to LA (2020) shows that have yet to be announced.  Until they announce the rescheduled shows, they won't get a penny from me.  But for those of you going for tickets, enjoy!  I remember being you, remember the excitement and anticipation.
    Don't come closer or I'll have to go
  • Falling Down
    Falling Down Posts: 845
    PureandEasy said:
    I just copied and pasted a response to another thread regarding the same topic.  I replied to someone who calculated it would be $8 a day from now until his show for his ticket (???)  my response: 

     And that is exactly what they're counting on.  I've seen PJ, seen Ed solo, numerous (MANY) times, no way would I pay that kind of money now.  I've never been disappointed but done shelling out the big $$.  I still have two tix to LA (2020) shows that have yet to be announced.  Until they announce the rescheduled shows, they won't get a penny from me.  But for those of you going for tickets, enjoy!  I remember being you, remember the excitement and anticipation.
    Yeah, that was me. The $8 was just $500/pair spread over 60 days. Part of my thinking in trying to secure these tickets is I’m not even sure at this point the May PJ tour will happen. Still regret not going to TOTD at MSG even though I had tickets. So I’ll take all the EV/PJ I can get. 

    Montreal 98, 00, 03, 05, 11
    Toronto 03, 06, 11
    Ottawa 05, 11
    Quebec 05; Saratoga 00; Boston 04; Toledo 04
    Albany 06; Honolulu 06; Hartford 08
    Costa Rica 11
    London (Ont.), Hartford 13
    Quebec, Fenway 1 + 2 16; London 18
    EV Montreal (2), Berkeley II, Albany, Boston, London (UK)

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    deweil said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Long Red said:
    igotid88 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    bbiggs said:
    Playing The Haves at these shows will be pretty comical.  These prices are nuts, even with the Earthlings in tow.  Sorry, but Ed is not McCartney, The Stones, etc.  Hopefully the rest of the band still has a say on Pearl Jam ticket prices, as they've done a great job keeping them reasonably priced to this point, in my opinion.  Ed solo, on the other hand, seems to be going a different direction.
    Exactly... I'm paying $180 to see Tool in February which is a lot I know, but at least I know what I'm getting, and I'm not convinced this isn't their last go around... $200+ for Eddie & the Earthlings supporting an album I haven't heard yet is more than a bit much. 
    But you guys complain when Pearl Jam charges $100. 
    I'd pay 100 without a second thought. But 500 for a pair seems wild to me. Maybe I just live in a different world lol
    Tickets for sea hear now were around $220 a day or $450 for the weekend.   Sure it s over two days but for the same price you are seeing Ed in a small ass venue. To each their own.  
    SHN wasn't that much unless you did vip. they were $200 plus fees a few days before, i think early bird was 100 or 150 for both days, then  dropped to $100 day of, and i got a free one last minute. 
    Sorry I meant for a pair.  My bad on that.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 437
    lowbudgetlush said:
    I think $250/ticket (includes fees) is a ton of money. I don't care if you have a lot or barely any. I will be curious to see how people can spin this one.
    This would be the correct answer. 
  • Force Of Nature
    Force Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,135
    If I was to go on a night out I might spend around £100 if not more on food, drinks, cabs etc. 
    If a concert means I dont have 5 nights out and that pays for the concert, then so be it. I know what would be more of a lasting memory
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,088
    OceansJenny said:
    darthvedder said:
    Asking people to pay these types of prices while people are still holding on to tickets for a PJ tour that still hasn't been rescheduled yet...not cool.
    Clearly EV isn’t the hold up with COVID indoor venue concerns. It’s one of the other 4.
    Stone lol
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,088
    edited December 2021
    Lost In Ohio said:
    And if the tickets were $75, the scalpers would be outside selling them for as much as they could get.

    So why not let Eddie make that money?

    (It's not that hard for a scalper to sell for above face, TM be damned.)
    Scalpers will be selling 250 tix for $500 plus easy...does that mean Eddie should charge $500 a ticket?  Then the scalpers would just charge $750-$1000
    Post edited by static111 on
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    for my pocket this is very expensive price for a ticket..

    however a few years back after i learn how industry works,how prices set,who pays who,who is in charge i realise that how is business works and why make sense the ticket prices 
    for example..a promoter wants to book eddie vedder at the theater in NY ..
    2880 capaccity..
    he needs to pay ev managments(that includes ev,promotion company  ,his crew,security,transfer gear,hotels for everyone,his band mates on this tour ,transportation ,tour manager etc)
    promoter needs to pay to book the venue.(crazy high to book Beacon Theatre for examble.)
    promoter needs to pay for promoton,adv,social media,rfadio station etc.
    ticket ventor takes a huge cut ..as i saw was 35 dollars per ticket,
    maybe he need to pay a third party has rights at the venue or some record lebel..
    all those deals needs legal team and all..he needs to pay all those..
    now add to that like 10% of the ticket price is taxes for the state..

    and most of all,,he doesnt work for the fans,.,promoter works for profit..to make money.,,which he deserves cos he paid upfront all the cost and he gets back money only from ticket sales.
    so for a 235 ticket...,35 gets to ticxket master,,20 gets to taxes,add now how much the venue gets from that,all the money for promotion,legal,radios,social media,etc..
    the artist management  payment,,
    so..2880 x 235 =676.800 is the money of tickets sold..
    ticketmaster cut is  2880x 35 fees = ....100.800.....
    now go fugure how to book the venue costs..in the center of NY...crazy money..
    taxes are 20 x 2880 = 57.600

    so if u add all the cost he needs to pay will go up to half a mil....well..for sure he will not put 500.000 dollars down to get back 1000 dollars profit..
    this is how things are in business..




    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • desolatejoy
    desolatejoy London Posts: 350
    OceansJenny said:
    darthvedder said:
    Asking people to pay these types of prices while people are still holding on to tickets for a PJ tour that still hasn't been rescheduled yet...not cool.
    Clearly EV isn’t the hold up with COVID indoor venue concerns. It’s one of the other 4.
    I’d imagine the guy with the lifelong illness & possible higher susceptibility to COVID might have something to say 😉
    Wembley Arena, London - 28/10/96
    Wembley Arena, London - 30/05/00 
    Wembley Arena, London - 18/06/07
    02 Arena, London - 18/08/09
    Hammersmith Apollo, London - 30/07/12 EV Solo
    Bowl, Milton Keynes - 11/07/2014
    Hammersmith Apollo, London - 06/06/17 EV Solo
    O2 Arena, London - 18/06/18
    O2 Arena, London - 17/07/18

    It's an art to live with pain, mix the light into grey...
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    dimitrispearljam said:
    for my pocket this is very expensive price for a ticket..

    however a few years back after i learn how industry works,how prices set,who pays who,who is in charge i realise that how is business works and why make sense the ticket prices 
    for example..a promoter wants to book eddie vedder at the theater in NY ..
    2880 capaccity..
    he needs to pay ev managments(that includes ev,promotion company  ,his crew,security,transfer gear,hotels for everyone,his band mates on this tour ,transportation ,tour manager etc)
    promoter needs to pay to book the venue.(crazy high to book Beacon Theatre for examble.)
    promoter needs to pay for promoton,adv,social media,rfadio station etc.
    ticket ventor takes a huge cut ..as i saw was 35 dollars per ticket,
    maybe he need to pay a third party has rights at the venue or some record lebel..
    all those deals needs legal team and all..he needs to pay all those..
    now add to that like 10% of the ticket price is taxes for the state..

    and most of all,,he doesnt work for the fans,.,promoter works for profit..to make money.,,which he deserves cos he paid upfront all the cost and he gets back money only from ticket sales.
    so for a 235 ticket...,35 gets to ticxket master,,20 gets to taxes,add now how much the venue gets from that,all the money for promotion,legal,radios,social media,etc..
    the artist management  payment,,
    so..2880 x 235 =676.800 is the money of tickets sold..
    ticketmaster cut is  2880x 35 fees = ....100.800.....
    now go fugure how to book the venue costs..in the center of NY...crazy money..
    taxes are 20 x 2880 = 57.600

    so if u add all the cost he needs to pay will go up to half a mil....well..for sure he will not put 500.000 dollars down to get back 1000 dollars profit..
    this is how things are in business..




     oh add to all this the cost of  insurance companies,,cos those are crazy money now woth covid,in case of postpone or cancel..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • apirk72
    apirk72 Posts: 506
    That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
    I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    dimitrispearljam said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    for my pocket this is very expensive price for a ticket..

    however a few years back after i learn how industry works,how prices set,who pays who,who is in charge i realise that how is business works and why make sense the ticket prices 
    for example..a promoter wants to book eddie vedder at the theater in NY ..
    2880 capaccity..
    he needs to pay ev managments(that includes ev,promotion company  ,his crew,security,transfer gear,hotels for everyone,his band mates on this tour ,transportation ,tour manager etc)
    promoter needs to pay to book the venue.(crazy high to book Beacon Theatre for examble.)
    promoter needs to pay for promoton,adv,social media,rfadio station etc.
    ticket ventor takes a huge cut ..as i saw was 35 dollars per ticket,
    maybe he need to pay a third party has rights at the venue or some record lebel..
    all those deals needs legal team and all..he needs to pay all those..
    now add to that like 10% of the ticket price is taxes for the state..

    and most of all,,he doesnt work for the fans,.,promoter works for profit..to make money.,,which he deserves cos he paid upfront all the cost and he gets back money only from ticket sales.
    so for a 235 ticket...,35 gets to ticxket master,,20 gets to taxes,add now how much the venue gets from that,all the money for promotion,legal,radios,social media,etc..
    the artist management  payment,,
    so..2880 x 235 =676.800 is the money of tickets sold..
    ticketmaster cut is  2880x 35 fees = ....100.800.....
    now go fugure how to book the venue costs..in the center of NY...crazy money..
    taxes are 20 x 2880 = 57.600

    so if u add all the cost he needs to pay will go up to half a mil....well..for sure he will not put 500.000 dollars down to get back 1000 dollars profit..
    this is how things are in business..




     oh add to all this the cost of  insurance companies,,cos those are crazy money now woth covid,in case of postpone or cancel..

    As an insurance professional, I can attest to this

    Commercial insurance rates have gone up for everyone (yes, them too)

    The cost of doing business has increased significantly the last couple years, and will have an effect on the way business is done for the foreseeable future
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    apirk72 said:
    That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
    I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.
     i wrote down number so u understand...
    for the show in NY...ticketmaster get 100.000 for fees!!!do u realise the number?
    if for one night ,,they get 100.000...cos they are the online ticket ventor  to buy tix,,
    so if ticketmaster gets that money for one night...how much the artist,his band ,his crew and all those people should get paid ?its crazy when u put number down 
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    CM189191 said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    for my pocket this is very expensive price for a ticket..

    however a few years back after i learn how industry works,how prices set,who pays who,who is in charge i realise that how is business works and why make sense the ticket prices 
    for example..a promoter wants to book eddie vedder at the theater in NY ..
    2880 capaccity..
    he needs to pay ev managments(that includes ev,promotion company  ,his crew,security,transfer gear,hotels for everyone,his band mates on this tour ,transportation ,tour manager etc)
    promoter needs to pay to book the venue.(crazy high to book Beacon Theatre for examble.)
    promoter needs to pay for promoton,adv,social media,rfadio station etc.
    ticket ventor takes a huge cut ..as i saw was 35 dollars per ticket,
    maybe he need to pay a third party has rights at the venue or some record lebel..
    all those deals needs legal team and all..he needs to pay all those..
    now add to that like 10% of the ticket price is taxes for the state..

    and most of all,,he doesnt work for the fans,.,promoter works for profit..to make money.,,which he deserves cos he paid upfront all the cost and he gets back money only from ticket sales.
    so for a 235 ticket...,35 gets to ticxket master,,20 gets to taxes,add now how much the venue gets from that,all the money for promotion,legal,radios,social media,etc..
    the artist management  payment,,
    so..2880 x 235 =676.800 is the money of tickets sold..
    ticketmaster cut is  2880x 35 fees = ....100.800.....
    now go fugure how to book the venue costs..in the center of NY...crazy money..
    taxes are 20 x 2880 = 57.600

    so if u add all the cost he needs to pay will go up to half a mil....well..for sure he will not put 500.000 dollars down to get back 1000 dollars profit..
    this is how things are in business..




     oh add to all this the cost of  insurance companies,,cos those are crazy money now woth covid,in case of postpone or cancel..

    As an insurance professional, I can attest to this

    Commercial insurance rates have gone up for everyone (yes, them too)

    The cost of doing business has increased significantly the last couple years, and will have an effect on the way business is done for the foreseeable future
     yep
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • David.Narwhal
    David.Narwhal Posts: 111
    CM189191 said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    for my pocket this is very expensive price for a ticket..

    however a few years back after i learn how industry works,how prices set,who pays who,who is in charge i realise that how is business works and why make sense the ticket prices 
    for example..a promoter wants to book eddie vedder at the theater in NY ..
    2880 capaccity..
    he needs to pay ev managments(that includes ev,promotion company  ,his crew,security,transfer gear,hotels for everyone,his band mates on this tour ,transportation ,tour manager etc)
    promoter needs to pay to book the venue.(crazy high to book Beacon Theatre for examble.)
    promoter needs to pay for promoton,adv,social media,rfadio station etc.
    ticket ventor takes a huge cut ..as i saw was 35 dollars per ticket,
    maybe he need to pay a third party has rights at the venue or some record lebel..
    all those deals needs legal team and all..he needs to pay all those..
    now add to that like 10% of the ticket price is taxes for the state..

    and most of all,,he doesnt work for the fans,.,promoter works for profit..to make money.,,which he deserves cos he paid upfront all the cost and he gets back money only from ticket sales.
    so for a 235 ticket...,35 gets to ticxket master,,20 gets to taxes,add now how much the venue gets from that,all the money for promotion,legal,radios,social media,etc..
    the artist management  payment,,
    so..2880 x 235 =676.800 is the money of tickets sold..
    ticketmaster cut is  2880x 35 fees = ....100.800.....
    now go fugure how to book the venue costs..in the center of NY...crazy money..
    taxes are 20 x 2880 = 57.600

    so if u add all the cost he needs to pay will go up to half a mil....well..for sure he will not put 500.000 dollars down to get back 1000 dollars profit..
    this is how things are in business..




     oh add to all this the cost of  insurance companies,,cos those are crazy money now woth covid,in case of postpone or cancel..

    As an insurance professional, I can attest to this

    Commercial insurance rates have gone up for everyone (yes, them too)

    The cost of doing business has increased significantly the last couple years, and will have an effect on the way business is done for the foreseeable future
    Inflation has been notable.  Each year PNC Bank does a fun analysis of how much it costs to purchase the items from the "12 days of Christmas" song and you see how prices increase over time.  They've been doing it for more than a couple decades and you can see previous assessments.

    All that being said.  The price of these tickets means I do have to go solo instead of bringing the wife or friend. I'm glad you can get single tickets through the sale as a result otherwise I would not touch this. With any luck, I look forward to enjoying a night of music from one of our favorite singers and an all star band,  either masked or not (this really doesn't bother me whatsoever) in accordance with guidance, and having a beer with ANYBODY that is able to go.  


  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    apirk72 said:
    That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
    I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.
    26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......

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