Organized robberies in L.A. Hints of societal breakdown?
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Yesterday, over thanksgiving dinner, one of many topics that came up in our talking was the current string of organized gang or group related robberies in Southern California. The article below describes these as "string of organized retail theft." The Nordstrom robbery in particular is making news.
The question that comes to mind is this just a passing "thing" or is it an indication of something bigger, like a breakdown of societal order? I don't mean to sound "alarmist" or "doomer". I just wonder about things like this. There are other indicators of how unhinged a lot of people are becoming. Driving highways and freeways in becoming like being in a chase scene. What next? Freeway demolition derby?
I would venture to say, this being Black Friday, we will hear plenty of other stories about unhinged human behavior.
But maybe it's nothing new. Maybe I'm reading too much into it? You be the judge and tell me what you see happening.
I would venture to say, this being Black Friday, we will hear plenty of other stories about unhinged human behavior.
But maybe it's nothing new. Maybe I'm reading too much into it? You be the judge and tell me what you see happening.
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No real consequence for the offenders if caught. The reward for them is far greater than the risk.0
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I just don’t understand how some have absolutely no conscience when it comes to pulling this shit. What’s happened to people? “If I can steal it, it’s mine”? I’ve read that in SF, pharmacies are being hit too. So now they’re fucking with people’s health as well. I pray that I and others whose lives depend on meds won’t be hurt.
And of course there are no legal repercussions! Gascon is a huge steaming pile of shit of a human being. I think most, if not all, of those running this state are. I think anyone who believes they’re sincerely looking out for their constituents are fooling themselves.0 -
It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.0
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No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I believe it’s called smash and grab.oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.But yea. Obviously this will continue to happen while there are no consequences being dealt out. Abolish the police!!!!! Hahahah. Sure.0 -
Please explain the difference between stealing during a protest and stealing not during a protest.oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.0 -
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.0 -
mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Not picking you out because this has been a discussion, but there seems to be more grievance with the term than the incredible amount of crime that’s taking place over there.oftenreading said:mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.0 -
Not sure what I'm supposed to say about the level of crime. I prefer accurate use of terms to avoid confusion in discussion, so that's why I commented on this.nicknyr15 said:
Not picking you out because this has been a discussion, but there seems to be more grievance with the term than the incredible amount of crime that’s taking place over there.oftenreading said:mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
There’s nothing much to say about the crime. We all know why it’s happening.oftenreading said:
Not sure what I'm supposed to say about the level of crime. I prefer accurate use of terms to avoid confusion in discussion, so that's why I commented on this.nicknyr15 said:
Not picking you out because this has been a discussion, but there seems to be more grievance with the term than the incredible amount of crime that’s taking place over there.oftenreading said:mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.0 -
hedonist said:I just don’t understand how some have absolutely no conscience when it comes to pulling this shit. What’s happened to people? “If I can steal it, it’s mine”? I’ve read that in SF, pharmacies are being hit too. So now they’re fucking with people’s health as well. I pray that I and others whose lives depend on meds won’t be hurt.
And of course there are no legal repercussions! Gascon is a huge steaming pile of shit of a human being. I think most, if not all, of those running this state are. I think anyone who believes they’re sincerely looking out for their constituents are fooling themselves.
Yeah, I totally agree. It's like a whole sub-species of people with no conscience.
I hadn't heard about the S.F. pharmacy thefts. That's just insanely wrong.mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.I agree- robbery, theft, stealing. I guess there are circumstantial differences but it all adds up to the same thing- taking something that belongs to someone else.*************************************So now the question that comes to my mind is, What can be done to deter these robberies/lootings/ thefts/ whatchamacallems? Jails are over-crowded and prisons today do little if anything to reform criminals (in fact, often the opposite). So what can be done to turn this around?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
this stems from the "Cancelled!" thread where mace posted an article where one person in that article claimed that looting was a racist term only used when black people are the criminals.oftenreading said:
Not sure what I'm supposed to say about the level of crime. I prefer accurate use of terms to avoid confusion in discussion, so that's why I commented on this.nicknyr15 said:
Not picking you out because this has been a discussion, but there seems to be more grievance with the term than the incredible amount of crime that’s taking place over there.oftenreading said:mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.
most of the article made sense, in that it made the distinction, as you did, between looting (opportunistic stealing during a crisis) and robbery (planned stealing of goods).By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
It’s been political every time. Just a coincidence they started looting during the Floyd protests and again when the Rittenhouse verdict came out? Some of the looters and BLM activists have defended the looting by calling it reparations. I don’t see how you could deny it’s politically motivated, therefore looting per the definition.oftenreading said:mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
If it occurs in the middle of something like a protest then you can justifiably call it looting. It isn't when there's nothing in particular going on in that physical environment. Then it's just robbery. Whether or not they are stealing for political reasons is irrelevant.mace1229 said:
It’s been political every time. Just a coincidence they started looting during the Floyd protests and again when the Rittenhouse verdict came out?oftenreading said:mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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this stems from the "Cancelled!" thread where mace posted an article where one person in that article claimed that looting was a racist term only used when black people are the criminals.oftenreading said:
Not sure what I'm supposed to say about the level of crime. I prefer accurate use of terms to avoid confusion in discussion, so that's why I commented on this.nicknyr15 said:
Not picking you out because this has been a discussion, but there seems to be more grievance with the term than the incredible amount of crime that’s taking place over there.oftenreading said:mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.
most of the article made sense, in that it made the distinction, as you did, between looting (opportunistic stealing during a crisis) and robbery (planned stealing of goods).
Yes, which is why I was a bit surprised that the argument came up again.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
The definition I provided, which I’m sure varies on the source, doesn’t specify it needs to be in the middle of a protest of physical environment, but rather political or social crisis. I’d say we’re still in the middle of a political and social crisis, it was never resolved. Not only that, but became and acceptable form of “protest” for many, so it was a way to continue to protest.oftenreading said:
If it occurs in the middle of something like a protest then you can justifiably call it looting. It isn't when there's nothing in particular going on in that physical environment. Then it's just robbery. Whether or not they are stealing for political reasons is irrelevant.mace1229 said:
It’s been political every time. Just a coincidence they started looting during the Floyd protests and again when the Rittenhouse verdict came out?oftenreading said:mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.
But not calling it looting based on semantics of the definition doesn’t bother me. We can disagree if it fits the definition or not and I don’t really care. I wouldn’t have even brought it up if that’s all it was. What’s annoying ware those saying not to use that term because of its negative or racial connotations. If you’re smashing and grabbing/looting, then I don’t really care about your feelings when we talk about it.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
Societal breakdown? GTFOOH! If you want to see societal breakdown, head on over to the Q or 1/6 threads. Societal breakdown occurs when you elect a thief and loser to be POTUS.
Good fucking grief.
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Why is it happening? Please, enlighten us.nicknyr15 said:
There’s nothing much to say about the crime. We all know why it’s happening.oftenreading said:
Not sure what I'm supposed to say about the level of crime. I prefer accurate use of terms to avoid confusion in discussion, so that's why I commented on this.nicknyr15 said:
Not picking you out because this has been a discussion, but there seems to be more grievance with the term than the incredible amount of crime that’s taking place over there.oftenreading said:mace1229 said:
Per Wikipedia: Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, typically in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war,[1] natural disasters (where law and civil enforcement are temporarily ineffective),[2] or rioting.[3]oftenreading said:
No, that's flat out wrong. It's incorrect to call it looting because it isn't looting, it's robbery. Looting is a different thing.mace1229 said:It will be the norm as long as it’s minimized and allowed to happen. We’re not even supposed to cal it looting because that has too much of a negative connotation. And yet they can loot freely and as already pointed out, almost no consequence even if caught.
How is this not looting? That’s exactly what it is, but we’re not supposed to call it that.
Because the sort of robbery you are talking about is not in the midst of a military, political or social crisis such as war or natural disaster. It's just robbery. That seems like a pretty simple distinction.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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