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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mace1229 said:
    Trying to figure out the white supremacist angle, given that the car lots Rittenhouse and co were protecting were owned/run by people of colour, seems like a conflict of interests.


    I always thought that picture was old. Just read it was taken shortly after being released on bail. His story is they approached him, asked for a picture, flashed the “ok” sign so he did too.
    sounds ridiculous at first. But he was already famous so it is likely they did approach him. The prosecution had his phone and probably computer and anything else too. I don’t believe they found a single post or even search result for proud boys or racist groups or racist comments posted online or texts or anything.
    Now I don’t know Kyle, I don’t know if he’s racist or not. I know he made some dumb choices that night. But what’s easier for me to believe, his story they approached him and he had no idea who they were, or he’s part of this racist organization with exactly zero history found in it. A phone to a 17 year old is a window into their soul, and still no connection was found there. It’s possible he kept it that well hidden, but the other story seems more plausible to me.
    certainly plausible. 
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  • mace1229 said:
    Trying to figure out the white supremacist angle, given that the car lots Rittenhouse and co were protecting were owned/run by people of colour, seems like a conflict of interests.


    I always thought that picture was old. Just read it was taken shortly after being released on bail. His story is they approached him, asked for a picture, flashed the “ok” sign so he did too.
    sounds ridiculous at first. But he was already famous so it is likely they did approach him. The prosecution had his phone and probably computer and anything else too. I don’t believe they found a single post or even search result for proud boys or racist groups or racist comments posted online or texts or anything.
    Now I don’t know Kyle, I don’t know if he’s racist or not. I know he made some dumb choices that night. But what’s easier for me to believe, his story they approached him and he had no idea who they were, or he’s part of this racist organization with exactly zero history found in it. A phone to a 17 year old is a window into their soul, and still no connection was found there. It’s possible he kept it that well hidden, but the other story seems more plausible to me.
    I tend to agree.  No doubt the picture and its context will be scrutinized heavily if they do go after people for defamation. 
  • mrussel1
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    tbergs said:
    Trying to figure out the white supremacist angle, given that the car lots Rittenhouse and co were protecting were owned/run by people of colour, seems like a conflict of interests.


    Easy enough, it was never really about protecting property, it was about playing commando.
    Agreed, this is an outcome of our sick gun culture. 
  • Verdict is in in the Arbery murder trial.
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  • Travis McMichael guilty of murder.
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  • Guilty of all nine counts.
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  • Gregory McMichael, guilty of 8 of 9 counts
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  • William Brian, guilty of 6 of 9 charges.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
     
    Man who helped pursue Ahmaud Arbery convicted of murder
    By RUSS BYNUM
    Just now

    BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) — Greg McMichael, the man who pursued Ahmaud Arbery with his son, has been convicted of murder.

    The conviction carries a minimum sentence of life in prison. It is up to the judge to decide whether that comes with or without the possibility of parole.

    McMichael and his son, Travis McMichael, grabbed guns and jumped in a pickup truck to pursue the 25-year-old Black man after seeing him running in their neighborhood outside the Georgia port city of Brunswick in February 2020. Their neighbor William “Roddie” Bryan joined the pursuit in his own pickup and recorded cellphone video of Travis McMichael fatally shooting Arbery.

    Arbery’s killing became part of a larger national reckoning on racial injustice after the graphic video leaked online two months later. All three men are white. Though prosecutors did not argue that racism motivated the killing, federal authorities have charged them with hate crimes, alleging that they chased and killed Arbery because he was Black. That case is scheduled to go to trial in February.

    THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.

    BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) — Jury deliberations resumed for a second day Wednesday in the trial of the three white men charged with chasing and killing Ahmaud Arbery, with jurors reviewing the cellphone video of the 25-year-old Black man being blasted with a shotgun on a residential street in coastal Georgia.

    The jury sent a note to Superior Court Judge Timothy Walmsley soon after returning to court Wednesday morning asking to view two versions of the shooting video — the original and one that investigators enhanced to reduce shadows — three times apiece.

    The jury returned to the courtroom to see the videos and listen again the 911 call one of the defendants made from the bed of a pickup truck about 30 seconds before the shooting.

    The disproportionately white jury is weighing charges of murder and other crimes against father and son Greg and Travis McMichael and their neighbor William “Roddie” Bryan. It received the case around midday Tuesday and spent about six hours deliberating before adjourning without a verdict.

    The McMichaels told police they suspected Arbery was a fleeing burglar when they armed themselves and jumped in a pickup truck to chase him on Feb. 23, 2020. Bryan joined the pursuit when they passed his house and recorded cellphone video of Travis McMichael blasting Arbery at close range with a shotgun as Arbery threw punches and grabbed for the weapon.

    On the 911 call the jury reviewed, Greg McMichael tells an operator: “I’m out here in Satilla Shores. There's a Black male running down the street.”

    He then starts shouting, apparently as Arbery is running toward the McMichael's idling truck with Bryan's truck coming up behind him: “Stop right there! Damn it, stop! Travis!” Gunshots can be heard a few second later.

    Arbery’s killing became part of a larger national reckoning on racial injustice after the graphic video of his death leaked online two months later and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation took over the case, quickly arresting the three men. Each of them is charged with murder and other crimes.

    Defense attorneys contend the McMichaels were attempting a legal citizen’s arrest when they set off after Arbery, seeking to detain and question him as a suspected burglar after he was seen running from a nearby home under construction.

    Travis McMichael testified that he shot Arbery in self-defense, saying the running man turned and attacked with his fists while running past the idling truck where Travis McMichael stood with his shotgun.

    Prosecutors said there was no evidence Arbery had committed crimes in the defendants’ neighborhood. He had enrolled at a technical college and was preparing at the time to study to become an electrician like his uncles.


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  • mickeyrat
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    in Georgia no less with 11 white people on the jury.

    will miracles never cease....
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  • mickeyrat said:
    in Georgia no less with 11 white people on the jury.

    will miracles never cease....
    Guilty is guilty. The color of the jurors, defendants, or victim doesn’t matter. 
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  • JB16057
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    mickeyrat said:
    in Georgia no less with 11 white people on the jury.

    will miracles never cease....
    Guilty is guilty. The color of the jurors, defendants, or victim doesn’t matter. 
    Thank you.
  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:
    in Georgia no less with 11 white people on the jury.

    will miracles never cease....
    Guilty is guilty. The color of the jurors, defendants, or victim doesn’t matter. 

    given the history of bias in the region it wasnt a foregone conclusion.

    Justice isnt as blind as we like to think it is or should be. thats a fact.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    in Georgia no less with 11 white people on the jury.

    will miracles never cease....
    Guilty is guilty. The color of the jurors, defendants, or victim doesn’t matter. 

    given the history of bias in the region it wasnt a foregone conclusion.

    Justice isnt as blind as we like to think it is or should be. thats a fact.
    Nothing's a forgone conclusion, but it's not a "miracle" like you say. It's such an obvious murder that there's no other verdict to reach. In fact, I can't believe the defendants even wanted it go to trial. Maybe they weren't offered a plea deal. Or, maybe they think like you, that their fellow white Georgians would let them off the hook. 
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  • JB16057
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    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    in Georgia no less with 11 white people on the jury.

    will miracles never cease....
    Guilty is guilty. The color of the jurors, defendants, or victim doesn’t matter. 

    given the history of bias in the region it wasnt a foregone conclusion.

    Justice isnt as blind as we like to think it is or should be. thats a fact.
    So what needs to happen, in your opinion, to make you feel differently?

    You bring up that 11 people on the jury were white. Isn't that racism in itself? You have a prejudice against a group of people because of their skin color. That is the definition of racism.
  • mickeyrat
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    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    in Georgia no less with 11 white people on the jury.

    will miracles never cease....
    Guilty is guilty. The color of the jurors, defendants, or victim doesn’t matter. 

    given the history of bias in the region it wasnt a foregone conclusion.

    Justice isnt as blind as we like to think it is or should be. thats a fact.
    So what needs to happen, in your opinion, to make you feel differently?

    You bring up that 11 people on the jury were white. Isn't that racism in itself? You have a prejudice against a group of people because of their skin color. That is the definition of racism.

    racist against my own race? put the fucking pipe down.
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  • A case where were it not for the video being leaked, the defendants might not have ever been charged. Add in a DA spoke with one of the defendants and directed them to destroy evidence and is now being charged with obstruction of justice. Never mind the police barely conducted an investigation and didn’t file any charges when it happened.

    Yea, race had nothing to do with justice being served. FFS.
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  • mace1229
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    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    in Georgia no less with 11 white people on the jury.

    will miracles never cease....
    Guilty is guilty. The color of the jurors, defendants, or victim doesn’t matter. 

    given the history of bias in the region it wasnt a foregone conclusion.

    Justice isnt as blind as we like to think it is or should be. thats a fact.
    Nothing's a forgone conclusion, but it's not a "miracle" like you say. It's such an obvious murder that there's no other verdict to reach. In fact, I can't believe the defendants even wanted it go to trial. Maybe they weren't offered a plea deal. Or, maybe they think like you, that their fellow white Georgians would let them off the hook. 
    I haven’t followed this trial or the details that closely. But I thought there would be a good chance the guy in the second truck would get off. Wasn’t he claiming he was just documenting what was going on, he was even the one that took the video that helped lead to the trial and conviction.
  • cblock4life
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    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    in Georgia no less with 11 white people on the jury.

    will miracles never cease....
    Guilty is guilty. The color of the jurors, defendants, or victim doesn’t matter. 
    Thank you.
    Agree.  Until we dismiss the color of people’s skin whenever we refer to jurors we will never move forward.  

    Commissary turkey tomorrow!  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Justice 
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