George Floyd Protests

OnWis97

The very argument we're having about the OK/CircleGame/WhitePower sign is the very reason it exists; so people can fight about it and the libs can look silly. It serves 1) as a signal to each other and 2) to provide plausible deniability and in turn to be turned against anyone that calls it out. It's really quite brilliant.

In the photo, they're probably flashing white power. But there's plausible deniability. "We just ate ribs and there were A-OK." Similarly, when they put it on their leg they cite the circle game. Then they can call anyone hysterical if they point it out. It's usually just another way to troll. But it's also used as a way to show just how race-obsessed the left is. And when this happens: (was going to quote the truckdriver post but it's not letting...me), that's even better. I don't know what the guy was doing but I'd certainly argue the burden of proof is on the employer. And was this guy a casualty of knee-jerk political correctness? Yes, assuming he's telling the truth. But he was also a casualty of the white nationalist movement that has planted this strange conflict into our brains.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Speaking of this stupid white supremacy hand gesture, are you guys familiar with the Latino man that lost his job as a truck driver for having this fingers in that position? He was stuck in traffic during a George Floyd protest (this was at the height of those protests). Someone took a picture of him, and his company fired him. Yep, a Latino man lost his job because they think he might be a white supremacist. 

SDG&E Worker Fired Over Alleged Racist Gesture Says He Was Cracking Knuckles – NBC 7 San Diego (nbcsandiego.com)

I actually donated to his GoFundMe. 

Fundraiser for Emmanuel Cafferty by Melisa Cafferty Salazar : Emmanuel Cafferty vs SDGE (gofundme.com)

yep. that IS stupid. like I said, it should be obvious when it's used in context. 

Frankly, other than that picture of Rittenhouse and his bar buddies, I've never seen this hand symbol used as a sign of white supremacy. I've heard of it being a white supremacy sign from folks on the left, but I never seen it. It's always meant "okay." 

In fact, when I was in like middle school, the sign meant "asshole." The three fingers being A-S-S and the hole your thumb and pointer-finger make being, obviously, the hole. 

I just don't like the idea of taking something that's always meant one thing, and changing it. You might say that "Well it's the far-right  white supremacists that hijacked the hand symbol." Maybe. But it's far-left type of people/beliefs that caused that truck driver to be fired. 

Haha, I remember the ass-hole thing. Also if you made that sign somewhere not obvious and someone saw it, you got to hit them.

How we did it was you'd hold it down at your side and say "look," and if they looked, then they were in fact, an asshole. 

i didn't actually know what you were talking about until this. haha. i remember that now. makes sense the symbol evolved from asshole to racist, now that I think about it. 

Well, I haven’t heard that since middle school. Maybe to those who never evolved passed middle school it evolved. My reason for even bringing this up a while ago was how commonly known is that symbol? I had no idea until this picture came out. 

And how do we know those other guys in the photo are white supremicists? This based on the fact their male, white and overweight? Or do we actually know?

they are all flashing the sign. 

again, maybe I spend too much time online, but to me, that symbol is a well known racist hand gesture. I've seen it all over the place. 

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Speaking of this stupid white supremacy hand gesture, are you guys familiar with the Latino man that lost his job as a truck driver for having this fingers in that position? He was stuck in traffic during a George Floyd protest (this was at the height of those protests). Someone took a picture of him, and his company fired him. Yep, a Latino man lost his job because they think he might be a white supremacist. 

SDG&E Worker Fired Over Alleged Racist Gesture Says He Was Cracking Knuckles – NBC 7 San Diego (nbcsandiego.com)

I actually donated to his GoFundMe. 

Fundraiser for Emmanuel Cafferty by Melisa Cafferty Salazar : Emmanuel Cafferty vs SDGE (gofundme.com)

yep. that IS stupid. like I said, it should be obvious when it's used in context. 

Frankly, other than that picture of Rittenhouse and his bar buddies, I've never seen this hand symbol used as a sign of white supremacy. I've heard of it being a white supremacy sign from folks on the left, but I never seen it. It's always meant "okay." 

In fact, when I was in like middle school, the sign meant "asshole." The three fingers being A-S-S and the hole your thumb and pointer-finger make being, obviously, the hole. 

I just don't like the idea of taking something that's always meant one thing, and changing it. You might say that "Well it's the far-right  white supremacists that hijacked the hand symbol." Maybe. But it's far-left type of people/beliefs that caused that truck driver to be fired. 

Haha, I remember the ass-hole thing. Also if you made that sign somewhere not obvious and someone saw it, you got to hit them.

How we did it was you'd hold it down at your side and say "look," and if they looked, then they were in fact, an asshole. 

i didn't actually know what you were talking about until this. haha. i remember that now. makes sense the symbol evolved from asshole to racist, now that I think about it. 

Well, I haven’t heard that since middle school. Maybe to those who never evolved passed middle school it evolved. My reason for even bringing this up a while ago was how commonly known is that symbol? I had no idea until this picture came out. 

And how do we know those other guys in the photo are white supremicists? This based on the fact their male, white and overweight? Or do we actually know?

they are all flashing the sign. 

again, maybe I spend too much time online, but to me, that symbol is a well known racist hand gesture. I've seen it all over the place. 

I think that is the case. Not you in particular. I'm the same way. Before you responded here, I was going to respond to this saying that I sometimes gage things by "Would I have any idea about this if I wasn't online so much?" This "okay" sign now being a white nationalist sign is certainly a "no" to that question. I thought about this too when they recently referenced Joe Rogan on SNL. If you're online, Rogan's a pretty big celebrity. If you're not online, you might know him from Fear Factor or UFC....but you don't know his vaccine/virus stances. 

I have a friend that is big into some right-wing commentators on YouTube. Mainly Steven Crowder. We were talking about Rittenhouse and my friend suggested he should go on Crowder's show. I told him that would be silly because RIttenhouse is already appearing on Tucker Carlson. He responded that Crowder is every bit as "big" as Carlson as far as conservative commentators go, and he referenced YouTube views as a barometer. He's wrong of course. But that's another example of being online versus not being online. If you're online, you may know Steven Crowder, and you may even love or hate him depending on your political views. If you're not online, you've never heard of him. 

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Speaking of this stupid white supremacy hand gesture, are you guys familiar with the Latino man that lost his job as a truck driver for having this fingers in that position? He was stuck in traffic during a George Floyd protest (this was at the height of those protests). Someone took a picture of him, and his company fired him. Yep, a Latino man lost his job because they think he might be a white supremacist. 

SDG&E Worker Fired Over Alleged Racist Gesture Says He Was Cracking Knuckles – NBC 7 San Diego (nbcsandiego.com)

I actually donated to his GoFundMe. 

Fundraiser for Emmanuel Cafferty by Melisa Cafferty Salazar : Emmanuel Cafferty vs SDGE (gofundme.com)

yep. that IS stupid. like I said, it should be obvious when it's used in context. 

Frankly, other than that picture of Rittenhouse and his bar buddies, I've never seen this hand symbol used as a sign of white supremacy. I've heard of it being a white supremacy sign from folks on the left, but I never seen it. It's always meant "okay." 

In fact, when I was in like middle school, the sign meant "asshole." The three fingers being A-S-S and the hole your thumb and pointer-finger make being, obviously, the hole. 

I just don't like the idea of taking something that's always meant one thing, and changing it. You might say that "Well it's the far-right  white supremacists that hijacked the hand symbol." Maybe. But it's far-left type of people/beliefs that caused that truck driver to be fired. 

Haha, I remember the ass-hole thing. Also if you made that sign somewhere not obvious and someone saw it, you got to hit them.

How we did it was you'd hold it down at your side and say "look," and if they looked, then they were in fact, an asshole. 

i didn't actually know what you were talking about until this. haha. i remember that now. makes sense the symbol evolved from asshole to racist, now that I think about it. 

Well, I haven’t heard that since middle school. Maybe to those who never evolved passed middle school it evolved. My reason for even bringing this up a while ago was how commonly known is that symbol? I had no idea until this picture came out. 

And how do we know those other guys in the photo are white supremicists? This based on the fact their male, white and overweight? Or do we actually know?

they are all flashing the sign. 

again, maybe I spend too much time online, but to me, that symbol is a well known racist hand gesture. I've seen it all over the place. 

I think that is the case. Not you in particular. I'm the same way. Before you responded here, I was going to respond to this saying that I sometimes gage things by "Would I have any idea about this if I wasn't online so much?" This "okay" sign now being a white nationalist sign is certainly a "no" to that question. I thought about this too when they recently referenced Joe Rogan on SNL. If you're online, Rogan's a pretty big celebrity. If you're not online, you might know him from Fear Factor or UFC....but you don't know his vaccine/virus stances. 

I have a friend that is big into some right-wing commentators on YouTube. Mainly Steven Crowder. We were talking about Rittenhouse and my friend suggested he should go on Crowder's show. I told him that would be silly because RIttenhouse is already appearing on Tucker Carlson. He responded that Crowder is every bit as "big" as Carlson as far as conservative commentators go, and he referenced YouTube views as a barometer. He's wrong of course. But that's another example of being online versus not being online. If you're online, you may know Steven Crowder, and you may even love or hate him depending on your political views. If you're not online, you've never heard of him. 

you make a great point and I was actually, just yesterday, after seeing on Twitter the truck parade murder, thinking it's time to delete a lot of my online presence. I honestly do not need to know that something like that happened in Wisconsin. Sure. I have family there, but I don't need to know about all the bullshit that happens all over the place, where most of it is not necessarily national/international in interest. 

now that I said that, I realized that when I used to watch CNN, almost all of the coverage (that I saw) was international news or of some global interest. Now it's all of these horrific incidents that are localized, but expanded to a national audience. I don't think it's healthy to consume this much horrible news all the time. it's no wonder people are fucking stressed all the time. 

I asked my parents just over the weekend if they knew who Joe Rogan was. Not a clue. And my mom used to watch Fear Factor. lol. Sure, they're in their 70's and not necessarily in tune with a lot of these things, but I assumed they'd at least heard of the guy. 

I am mainly on socials to keep track of the bands I like (no one updates their websites anymore), but these social media companies make it damn near impossible to zero in on something like that and to block out everything else. It forces you to see things you don't want to see to keep you engaged. And it works. I might try just staying on instagram, which I don't find bad since I don't follow "influencers" or any of that toxic shit.  

HughFreakingDillon

and I've heard the name Steven Crowder but don't know anything about him. 

Gern Blansten

Crowder was fired from Fox.  He's also been demonetized from YouTube a few times. He might still be demonetized right now.

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

and I've heard the name Steven Crowder but don't know anything about him. 

Just a right-wing commentator/provocateur. But it's online where you heard his name. 

Qanon is another thing I think is mostly online, though it has seeped into left-leaning shows like Bill Maher, and the MSNBC/CNN primetime shows. My father is 74 and he's a democrat. He's always liked and watched Bill Maher, but he doesn't "get" a lot of these references that are straight from online. Like if Maher referenced a "So-and so is cancelled party." my father would be like "what the hell does that mean?" since he doesn't know that hashtag "cancel parties" are things that trend on Twitter.

As for Qanon, Maher once made a reference to some Q conspiracy theories and my dad asked me about them when I came to visit a day or two later. He said "Bill Maher said something about conservatives thinking liberals perform ritual in pizza parlors or something? What's he talking about?"

"Well Dad, because of a tiny percentage of loons, Bill now paints every conservative as believing that Hillary Clinton tortures babies in the basement of pizza parlors. Which is ridiculous of course. Everyone knows she has her own private island for that stuff." 

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and I've heard the name Steven Crowder but don't know anything about him. 

Just a right-wing commentator/provocateur. But it's online where you heard his name. 

Qanon is another thing I think is mostly online, though it has seeped into left-leaning shows like Bill Maher, and the MSNBC/CNN primetime shows. My father is 74 and he's a democrat. He's always liked and watched Bill Maher, but he doesn't "get" a lot of these references that are straight from online. Like if Maher referenced a "So-and so is cancelled party." my father would be like "what the hell does that mean?" since he doesn't know that hashtag "cancel parties" are things that trend on Twitter.

As for Qanon, Maher once made a reference to some Q conspiracy theories and my dad asked me about them when I came to visit a day or two later. He said "Bill Maher said something about conservatives thinking liberals perform ritual in pizza parlors or something? What's he talking about?"

"Well Dad, because of a tiny percentage of loons, Bill now paints every conservative as believing that Hillary Clinton tortures babies in the basement of pizza parlors. Which is ridiculous of course. Everyone knows she has her own private island for that stuff." 

I would imagine it's getting harder and harder for people in our parents' generation to watch anything that routinely references online trends. but they know where the easy money is: talking about minor bullshit that is amplified to make people think they are bigger than they are. 

I actually remember, 20 years ago, when I didn't even own a computer. I had to go to my parents' house to check my hotmail account and delete 400 "FW:" jokes I didn't read. 

and 10 years or so ago, when i got an email from a friend to join facebook. I'm like "what the hell is that? sounds dumb". I should have gone with my first instinct. 

and around the same time, when I thought "I wonder what AMT is all about....". lol. 

Gern Blansten

This is a comment on a post that one of my FB "friends" made regarding the Rittenhouse verdict.

The original post is from one of my son's best friend's mother.  She is constantly railing on democrats and people that voted for Biden. She also still flies a tRump flag.

These people have created their own reality and there isn't any way to pull them out.

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

This is a comment on a post that one of my FB "friends" made regarding the Rittenhouse verdict.

The original post is from one of my son's best friend's mother.  She is constantly railing on democrats and people that voted for Biden. She also still flies a tRump flag.

These people have created their own reality and there isn't any way to pull them out.

Wait, so Kyle Rittenhouse was actually a 6 year old boy that died at Sandy Hook.. and at 6 years old he was a Freemason?

Please please please send me that person's name.  I'm dying to see the rest of her posts!

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

This is a comment on a post that one of my FB "friends" made regarding the Rittenhouse verdict.

The original post is from one of my son's best friend's mother.  She is constantly railing on democrats and people that voted for Biden. She also still flies a tRump flag.

These people have created their own reality and there isn't any way to pull them out.

Wait, so Kyle Rittenhouse was actually a 6 year old boy that died at Sandy Hook.. and at 6 years old he was a Freemason?

Please please please send me that person's name.  I'm dying to see the rest of her posts!

lol....

I have a hard time not responding to the bullshit on her page. In person she is super nice which makes it hard to understand how she will so blatantly call me (as a democrat/liberal/socialist/marxist/communist) stupid in her posts.

She does have a funny track record though. About 20 years ago her and her husband (at the time) were arrested for trafficking cocaine in our neighborhood. She has had at least three DUIs since then as well.

Not to make fun but it is kind of funny how she will post about receiving a "sober for a year" badge she received at AA and then a few weeks later she will post a bunch of drunken bullshit and start over with the "Sober for a month" badge.

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

This is a comment on a post that one of my FB "friends" made regarding the Rittenhouse verdict.

The original post is from one of my son's best friend's mother.  She is constantly railing on democrats and people that voted for Biden. She also still flies a tRump flag.

These people have created their own reality and there isn't any way to pull them out.

Wait, so Kyle Rittenhouse was actually a 6 year old boy that died at Sandy Hook.. and at 6 years old he was a Freemason?

Please please please send me that person's name.  I'm dying to see the rest of her posts!

lol....

I have a hard time not responding to the bullshit on her page. In person she is super nice which makes it hard to understand how she will so blatantly call me (as a democrat/liberal/socialist/marxist/communist) stupid in her posts.

She does have a funny track record though. About 20 years ago her and her husband (at the time) were arrested for trafficking cocaine in our neighborhood. She has had at least three DUIs since then as well.

Not to make fun but it is kind of funny how she will post about receiving a "sober for a year" badge she received at AA and then a few weeks later she will post a bunch of drunken bullshit and start over with the "Sober for a month" badge.

Ha!  Addiction isn't funny, but that is! 

PJPOWER

And here come the lawsuits from the Rittenhouse mess:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/11/22/rittenhouse-accuses-biden-of-defamation-in-first-post-acquittal-interview/

Gern Blansten

PJPOWER said:

And here come the lawsuits from the Rittenhouse mess:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/11/22/rittenhouse-accuses-biden-of-defamation-in-first-post-acquittal-interview/

Yeah good luck explaining the photos where he is flashing the white power gestures.

Fuck him

OnWis97

PJPOWER said:

And here come the lawsuits from the Rittenhouse mess:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/11/22/rittenhouse-accuses-biden-of-defamation-in-first-post-acquittal-interview/

He's going to make a shit-ton of money off of this. Kyle Rittenhouse is America and America is Kyle Rittenhouse.

Let's go Kyle and let's go Brandon!

brianlux

OnWis97 said:

PJPOWER said:

And here come the lawsuits from the Rittenhouse mess:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/11/22/rittenhouse-accuses-biden-of-defamation-in-first-post-acquittal-interview/

He's going to make a shit-ton of money off of this. Kyle Rittenhouse is America and America is Kyle Rittenhouse.

Let's go Kyle and let's go Brandon!

Kill a protester, become a millionaire.  The quintessential American Dream!

facepollution

Trying to figure out the white supremacist angle, given that the car lots Rittenhouse and co were protecting were owned/run by people of colour, seems like a conflict of interests.

tbergs

facepollution said:

Trying to figure out the white supremacist angle, given that the car lots Rittenhouse and co were protecting were owned/run by people of colour, seems like a conflict of interests.

Easy enough, it was never really about protecting property, it was about playing commando.

facepollution

tbergs said:

facepollution said:

Trying to figure out the white supremacist angle, given that the car lots Rittenhouse and co were protecting were owned/run by people of colour, seems like a conflict of interests.

Easy enough, it was never really about protecting property, it was about playing commando.

Yeah, I agree it was more about playing commando, though it would seem an odd move for a white supremacist to want to actively help people of colour. 

mace1229

facepollution said:

Trying to figure out the white supremacist angle, given that the car lots Rittenhouse and co were protecting were owned/run by people of colour, seems like a conflict of interests.

I always thought that picture was old. Just read it was taken shortly after being released on bail. His story is they approached him, asked for a picture, flashed the “ok” sign so he did too.
sounds ridiculous at first. But he was already famous so it is likely they did approach him. The prosecution had his phone and probably computer and anything else too. I don’t believe they found a single post or even search result for proud boys or racist groups or racist comments posted online or texts or anything.
Now I don’t know Kyle, I don’t know if he’s racist or not. I know he made some dumb choices that night. But what’s easier for me to believe, his story they approached him and he had no idea who they were, or he’s part of this racist organization with exactly zero history found in it. A phone to a 17 year old is a window into their soul, and still no connection was found there. It’s possible he kept it that well hidden, but the other story seems more plausible to me.