#46 President Joe Biden
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At some point the old is no longer relevant to the new guy but TDS has a grip on too many people. Let it go ElsaHughFreakingDillon said:
things don't magically start from scratch in politics. the old guy is relevant to the new guy. always has been. but i guess it's time to "move on" when you just want to bitch.JB16057 said:
You don't know what you're talking about. Just because I didn't come to a Pearl Jam message board and complain about Trump does not mean that I wasn't bringing up the issues I have with Trump. Trump is gone. It's time to discuss the current president and get over the last one.HughFreakingDillon said:
it is about biden, but when you complain about shit about biden but were silent during trump about exact same things (that were actually applicable with trump), pointing out the hypocrisy is not making this about trump, it's pointing out inconsistencies.JB16057 said:The Juggler said:
Lol...looks like a group of friends sharing a laugh to me. Here is Trump literally being laughed at on the national stage at the UNJB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:trump was by far the weakest POS that office has ever seen. calling biden weak when he's getting shit done is laughable. i don't see other world leaders gathering together and laughing at him. or laughing at him at a world conference. gimme a break.There's some proof of world leaders laughing at Biden and his usual gaffes. Gimme a break.
https://youtu.be/-z4y8OJxlK8I apologize. I thought this thread was about Biden, not Trump.I'm not the only one that is not happy with Biden. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/biden-approval-rating-low/index.htmlYou can talk Biden up all day long but the American people aren't happy with him and that is getting worse day by day.
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HAHA, he's literally still the leader of the party and will probably get the nom in 24. and he's been the past president for 10 months. barrack got 'thanks obama!" for literally 12 years. the republicans are STILL fucking talking about him.JB16057 said:
At some point the old is no longer relevant to the new guy but TDS has a grip on too many people. Let it go ElsaHughFreakingDillon said:
things don't magically start from scratch in politics. the old guy is relevant to the new guy. always has been. but i guess it's time to "move on" when you just want to bitch.JB16057 said:
You don't know what you're talking about. Just because I didn't come to a Pearl Jam message board and complain about Trump does not mean that I wasn't bringing up the issues I have with Trump. Trump is gone. It's time to discuss the current president and get over the last one.HughFreakingDillon said:
it is about biden, but when you complain about shit about biden but were silent during trump about exact same things (that were actually applicable with trump), pointing out the hypocrisy is not making this about trump, it's pointing out inconsistencies.JB16057 said:The Juggler said:
Lol...looks like a group of friends sharing a laugh to me. Here is Trump literally being laughed at on the national stage at the UNJB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:trump was by far the weakest POS that office has ever seen. calling biden weak when he's getting shit done is laughable. i don't see other world leaders gathering together and laughing at him. or laughing at him at a world conference. gimme a break.There's some proof of world leaders laughing at Biden and his usual gaffes. Gimme a break.https://youtu.be/-z4y8OJxlK8I apologize. I thought this thread was about Biden, not Trump.I'm not the only one that is not happy with Biden. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/biden-approval-rating-low/index.htmlYou can talk Biden up all day long but the American people aren't happy with him and that is getting worse day by day.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Trust me, as someone out in the rest of the world, yes, the rest of the world was laughing at Trump pretty much all of the time.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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So are you predicting a recession? Is that why you posted someone else's thoughts, via this opinion piece?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
Dude, give me a break. That's not laughing at Biden.JB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:trump was by far the weakest POS that office has ever seen. calling biden weak when he's getting shit done is laughable. i don't see other world leaders gathering together and laughing at him. or laughing at him at a world conference. gimme a break.There's some proof of world leaders laughing at Biden and his usual gaffes. Gimme a break.
And BTW, how can you hammer Biden for inflation and blame it on him, when you don't understand the causes or potential solutions? That shows that you're just trying to score political points and that's exactly what's fucking wrong with this country today. Everyone needs to stop being part of the problem. We all need to do our part.In short, contrary to his campaign promises, by reducing the value of money, Biden has inflicted a huge new tax on all Americans, which falls most harshly on the poor and middle class. Of course, the stock market, which adjusts more quickly to inflation, has risen in nominal terms, meaning that those apparent gains are not actually “real” dollars but, rather, inflated dollars with which you can buy less. Over time, the economic consequences of overspending and inflation will lead to political consequences and the Fed will be forced to act — i.e., raise interest rates.
ADVERTISEMENTThat, in turn, will lead to recession, rising unemployment and further social hardship. Compounding all of this is Biden’s sacrifice of America’s energy independence, putting the country again at the mercy of foreign oil producers. To get an idea of where America is headed, look no further than the economic collapse that happened under Jimmy Carter, the deepest and longest-lasting recession in the modern era.
GDP Forecasts right are at 3.9 for this quarter and over 4% next year. When do you think this recession will hit?
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My repub friends said that since Biden has took office oil production is down in this country because Biden wants more oil from opec. Any truth to that? Were we energy independent under trump as they say? If so what happened?mrussel1 said:
Oil is expensive because OPEC is still not pumping at pre-pandemic levels, let alone enough to meet the high demand from all the pent up projects, construction, goods, etc. They have started but they are slow playing it. They know 82 per barrel is unsustainable but they have no interest in getting it to $60 anytime too soon. There's nothing anyone can do to strong arm the cartel.JB16057 said:
My point is that Biden is driving and hyping up electric vehicles which most people could never afford. Meanwhile, gas prices are through the roof. Electric vehicles may be the future but most people still rely on gasoline and the rising price of gasoline must be addressed and fixed.Halifax2TheMax said:
Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh!mrussel1 said:
FJB. Everyone knows that diesel is the future.Halifax2TheMax said:Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!
And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
Biden has two levers, the strategic reserve and policy. Tapping the reserve (which evidently they are considering) would provide immediate relief. But it's not easy decision. It's rarely done, maybe once or twice in our lifetime. It's there for disasters and such, or like the energy crisis in the 70's. We are not at that level. I don't know that I support that or not right now.
The second option is some policy. And in the new infrastructure bill, there are several billion allocated to the states to help low income pay energy bills this winter. Will this help middle class people? No, probably not directly.
So this is not an easy problem and there is no easy solution. The supply chains need to restart in full, but the oil prices have to come down to abate inflation. it's that simple.
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Did you see where the container backlog at the ports is easing? Wow, go Brandon go!
The backlog of containers at the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach appears to be easing, days before new fees are set to begin for shipping companies responsible for containers clogging the docks.
The number of containers that have been dwelling on the docks in Los Angeles and Long Beach for at least nine days has fallen over 20% in a week— a “promising sign” that recent actions are helping with port congestion, the White House said Wednesday.
Backlog of shipping containers at Ports of L.A., Long Beach appears to be easing | KTLA
And its improved even more over the past week. That Brandon, he sure as shit sucks and is a loser.
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No we weren't energy independent. That's crazy talk. They think Biden has disassembled a private sector industry like energy in the last 10 months?? Are they on crack? Drilling in the US has actually increased this year. We are fracking heavy and you can't frack when oil is less than around 40 a barrel. That's the shut down price.mcgruff10 said:
My repub friends said that since Biden has took office oil production is down in this country because Biden wants more oil from opec. Any truth to that? Were we energy independent under trump as they say? If so what happened?mrussel1 said:
Oil is expensive because OPEC is still not pumping at pre-pandemic levels, let alone enough to meet the high demand from all the pent up projects, construction, goods, etc. They have started but they are slow playing it. They know 82 per barrel is unsustainable but they have no interest in getting it to $60 anytime too soon. There's nothing anyone can do to strong arm the cartel.JB16057 said:
My point is that Biden is driving and hyping up electric vehicles which most people could never afford. Meanwhile, gas prices are through the roof. Electric vehicles may be the future but most people still rely on gasoline and the rising price of gasoline must be addressed and fixed.Halifax2TheMax said:
Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh!mrussel1 said:
FJB. Everyone knows that diesel is the future.Halifax2TheMax said:Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!
And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
Biden has two levers, the strategic reserve and policy. Tapping the reserve (which evidently they are considering) would provide immediate relief. But it's not easy decision. It's rarely done, maybe once or twice in our lifetime. It's there for disasters and such, or like the energy crisis in the 70's. We are not at that level. I don't know that I support that or not right now.
The second option is some policy. And in the new infrastructure bill, there are several billion allocated to the states to help low income pay energy bills this winter. Will this help middle class people? No, probably not directly.
So this is not an easy problem and there is no easy solution. The supply chains need to restart in full, but the oil prices have to come down to abate inflation. it's that simple.0 -
Not my area of expertise but from
what I read the US has always been a net importer of petroleum products except briefly in 2020.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Oh yeah I hear all the time we were energy independent under Trump and now Biden wants more oil from opec which in turns shuts down us refineries. This of course drives up the cost of oil since opec controls the prices.mrussel1 said:
No we weren't energy independent. That's crazy talk. They think Biden has disassembled a private sector industry like energy in the last 10 months?? Are they on crack? Drilling in the US has actually increased this year. We are fracking heavy and you can't frack when oil is less than around 40 a barrel. That's the shut down price.mcgruff10 said:
My repub friends said that since Biden has took office oil production is down in this country because Biden wants more oil from opec. Any truth to that? Were we energy independent under trump as they say? If so what happened?mrussel1 said:
Oil is expensive because OPEC is still not pumping at pre-pandemic levels, let alone enough to meet the high demand from all the pent up projects, construction, goods, etc. They have started but they are slow playing it. They know 82 per barrel is unsustainable but they have no interest in getting it to $60 anytime too soon. There's nothing anyone can do to strong arm the cartel.JB16057 said:
My point is that Biden is driving and hyping up electric vehicles which most people could never afford. Meanwhile, gas prices are through the roof. Electric vehicles may be the future but most people still rely on gasoline and the rising price of gasoline must be addressed and fixed.Halifax2TheMax said:
Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh!mrussel1 said:
FJB. Everyone knows that diesel is the future.Halifax2TheMax said:Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!
And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
Biden has two levers, the strategic reserve and policy. Tapping the reserve (which evidently they are considering) would provide immediate relief. But it's not easy decision. It's rarely done, maybe once or twice in our lifetime. It's there for disasters and such, or like the energy crisis in the 70's. We are not at that level. I don't know that I support that or not right now.
The second option is some policy. And in the new infrastructure bill, there are several billion allocated to the states to help low income pay energy bills this winter. Will this help middle class people? No, probably not directly.
So this is not an easy problem and there is no easy solution. The supply chains need to restart in full, but the oil prices have to come down to abate inflation. it's that simple.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I understand his approval numbers aren't great, but these are the main issues people are citing based on that article:JB16057 said:tbergs said:
Well, people that aren't happy with him over gas prices probably didn't vote for him, won't vote for him and never will no matter what policy issues get addressed that he can control. He is far from perfect, but we're also not in some free fall economically. People are doing so well they are quitting jobs and making different choices based on what's important to them. Bottom line is, the power is in the hands of the employee more so than it has been on decades. Employers and their business practices need to adjust or they aren't going to survive.JB16057 said:The Juggler said:
Lol...looks like a group of friends sharing a laugh to me. Here is Trump literally being laughed at on the national stage at the UNJB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:trump was by far the weakest POS that office has ever seen. calling biden weak when he's getting shit done is laughable. i don't see other world leaders gathering together and laughing at him. or laughing at him at a world conference. gimme a break.There's some proof of world leaders laughing at Biden and his usual gaffes. Gimme a break.https://youtu.be/-z4y8OJxlK8I apologize. I thought this thread was about Biden, not Trump.I'm not the only one that is not happy with Biden. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/biden-approval-rating-low/index.htmlYou can talk Biden up all day long but the American people aren't happy with him and that is getting worse day by day."Just nine months into his presidency, 71 percent of Americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction, the poll shows."I know that's hard to believe that the most voted for President in history is failing his own people but it's true.
The NBC News poll comes after a rough summer and early fall for the first-year president, as he’s faced a new surge of coronavirus cases and deaths, fallout from the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, rising inflation, disappointing jobs numbers and Democratic infighting over Biden’s legislative agenda.
Covid can't go away if anti maskers and anti vaxxers won't do their part. The Afghanistan withdrawal had a rough start, but ultimately we're finally out of there, inflation is related to the supply issues and jobs are based on what I previously pointed out. Maybe if Biden were a dictator and democrats banded together to push through their policies things would be different and people would have other things to complain about.
Joe is old as fuck and past his prime, but at least he's not a raging narcissist spouting lies and spreading misinformation daily.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
These people do not understand that we have low grade oil here. It nets far less usable petroleum than Brent Crude. Once oil is below a certain price per barrel, it has to shut down.mcgruff10 said:
Oh yeah I hear all the time we were energy independent under Trump and now Biden wants more oil from opec which in turns shuts down us refineries. This of course drives up the cost of oil since opec controls the prices.mrussel1 said:
No we weren't energy independent. That's crazy talk. They think Biden has disassembled a private sector industry like energy in the last 10 months?? Are they on crack? Drilling in the US has actually increased this year. We are fracking heavy and you can't frack when oil is less than around 40 a barrel. That's the shut down price.mcgruff10 said:
My repub friends said that since Biden has took office oil production is down in this country because Biden wants more oil from opec. Any truth to that? Were we energy independent under trump as they say? If so what happened?mrussel1 said:
Oil is expensive because OPEC is still not pumping at pre-pandemic levels, let alone enough to meet the high demand from all the pent up projects, construction, goods, etc. They have started but they are slow playing it. They know 82 per barrel is unsustainable but they have no interest in getting it to $60 anytime too soon. There's nothing anyone can do to strong arm the cartel.JB16057 said:
My point is that Biden is driving and hyping up electric vehicles which most people could never afford. Meanwhile, gas prices are through the roof. Electric vehicles may be the future but most people still rely on gasoline and the rising price of gasoline must be addressed and fixed.Halifax2TheMax said:
Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh!mrussel1 said:
FJB. Everyone knows that diesel is the future.Halifax2TheMax said:Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!
And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
Biden has two levers, the strategic reserve and policy. Tapping the reserve (which evidently they are considering) would provide immediate relief. But it's not easy decision. It's rarely done, maybe once or twice in our lifetime. It's there for disasters and such, or like the energy crisis in the 70's. We are not at that level. I don't know that I support that or not right now.
The second option is some policy. And in the new infrastructure bill, there are several billion allocated to the states to help low income pay energy bills this winter. Will this help middle class people? No, probably not directly.
So this is not an easy problem and there is no easy solution. The supply chains need to restart in full, but the oil prices have to come down to abate inflation. it's that simple.
Now that oil is back to being expensive, the fracking is restarting. It's just econ 101.
Plus think about that statement.. "Biden wants more oil from OPEC so the refineries shut down"
How would Biden's desire for cartel oil lead private refineries to shut down? Why would they just shut down?
See these geniuses call us communists and say we took the red pill, but the arguments make no sense. That's why you have JB admitting he knows nothing about inflationary forces but still blames Biden and you also have "lurkers" who won't even attempt to engage because they can't formulate their own arguments. They're just parrots of the right wing ecosystem.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/03/27/which-president-oversaw-the-highest-gasoline-prices/?sh=23286fa71d28JB16057 said:The Juggler said:
I love how polling matters to Trump supporters again. Biden's low point is near Trump's high point. Oh no!JB16057 said:The Juggler said:
Lol...looks like a group of friends sharing a laugh to me. Here is Trump literally being laughed at on the national stage at the UNJB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:trump was by far the weakest POS that office has ever seen. calling biden weak when he's getting shit done is laughable. i don't see other world leaders gathering together and laughing at him. or laughing at him at a world conference. gimme a break.There's some proof of world leaders laughing at Biden and his usual gaffes. Gimme a break.https://youtu.be/-z4y8OJxlK8I apologize. I thought this thread was about Biden, not Trump.I'm not the only one that is not happy with Biden. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/biden-approval-rating-low/index.htmlYou can talk Biden up all day long but the American people aren't happy with him and that is getting worse day by day.
Also, I guess you're just not gonna answer the question about what the president can do about gas prices? And can you tell us why you did not come here and complain about gas prices rising during Trump's term? lolI don't know the answer. I can tell you that I didn't come here and complain about gas prices during Trump's presidency because prices weren't this high! That's why many people weren't complaining about gas prices under Trump. lol
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Explain what you mean by once a barrel hits a certain price it has to shut down. Like it’s so low they can’t make a profit?
Low grade oil? brent crude? Oil is not my thing. Sorry for the rookie questions.And my repub friends say they shut down because they can’t compete with opec.Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
that's right, fellow cultist echo chambermate.mrussel1 said:
These people do not understand that we have low grade oil here. It nets far less usable petroleum than Brent Crude. Once oil is below a certain price per barrel, it has to shut down.mcgruff10 said:
Oh yeah I hear all the time we were energy independent under Trump and now Biden wants more oil from opec which in turns shuts down us refineries. This of course drives up the cost of oil since opec controls the prices.mrussel1 said:
No we weren't energy independent. That's crazy talk. They think Biden has disassembled a private sector industry like energy in the last 10 months?? Are they on crack? Drilling in the US has actually increased this year. We are fracking heavy and you can't frack when oil is less than around 40 a barrel. That's the shut down price.mcgruff10 said:
My repub friends said that since Biden has took office oil production is down in this country because Biden wants more oil from opec. Any truth to that? Were we energy independent under trump as they say? If so what happened?mrussel1 said:
Oil is expensive because OPEC is still not pumping at pre-pandemic levels, let alone enough to meet the high demand from all the pent up projects, construction, goods, etc. They have started but they are slow playing it. They know 82 per barrel is unsustainable but they have no interest in getting it to $60 anytime too soon. There's nothing anyone can do to strong arm the cartel.JB16057 said:
My point is that Biden is driving and hyping up electric vehicles which most people could never afford. Meanwhile, gas prices are through the roof. Electric vehicles may be the future but most people still rely on gasoline and the rising price of gasoline must be addressed and fixed.Halifax2TheMax said:
Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh!mrussel1 said:
FJB. Everyone knows that diesel is the future.Halifax2TheMax said:Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!
And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
Biden has two levers, the strategic reserve and policy. Tapping the reserve (which evidently they are considering) would provide immediate relief. But it's not easy decision. It's rarely done, maybe once or twice in our lifetime. It's there for disasters and such, or like the energy crisis in the 70's. We are not at that level. I don't know that I support that or not right now.
The second option is some policy. And in the new infrastructure bill, there are several billion allocated to the states to help low income pay energy bills this winter. Will this help middle class people? No, probably not directly.
So this is not an easy problem and there is no easy solution. The supply chains need to restart in full, but the oil prices have to come down to abate inflation. it's that simple.
Now that oil is back to being expensive, the fracking is restarting. It's just econ 101.
Plus think about that statement.. "Biden wants more oil from OPEC so the refineries shut down"
How would Biden's desire for cartel oil lead private refineries to shut down? Why would they just shut down?
See these geniuses call us communists and say we took the red pill, but the arguments make no sense. That's why you have JB admitting he knows nothing about inflationary forces but still blames Biden and you also have "lurkers" who won't even attempt to engage because they can't formulate their own arguments. They're just parrots of the right wing ecosystem.
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Plenty of ‘Muricans drive vehicles in the $30K to $120K+ price range. Maybe those driving inefficient gas guzzlers might want to consider higher mileage automobiles? But my freedumbs, right? Life is full of choices.JB16057 said:
My point is that Biden is driving and hyping up electric vehicles which most people could never afford. Meanwhile, gas prices are through the roof. Electric vehicles may be the future but most people still rely on gasoline and the rising price of gasoline must be addressed and fixed.Halifax2TheMax said:
Coal fired boiler cars are the future, duh!mrussel1 said:
FJB. Everyone knows that diesel is the future.Halifax2TheMax said:Whoa! 7th straight week of jobless claims as last week’s were the lowest since the start of the pandemic. So much losing. Go Brandon go!
And did you see President Biden go faaaaast in that GM electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds? He’s such a weak loser.
Regarding inflation, one factor is a highly competitive job market with many lower paying jobs going unfilled, creating wage competition (Good for employees) resulting in higher prices for consumers (bad). How do you fill those vacancies? Hhhhhhmmmmmm, let me think like a repub for a minute. Hmmmmmmm, I know, build a wall, round people up and deport them.
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House moves toward OK of Dems' sweeping social, climate billBy ALAN FRAM17 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — A divided House moved toward passage Thursday of Democrats' expansive social and environment bill as new cost estimates from Congress' top fiscal analyst suggested that moderate lawmakers' spending and deficit worries would be calmed, moving President Joe Biden closer to a badly needed victory.
Final debate on the long-delayed legislation came after the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the bill would worsen federal deficits by $160 billion over the coming decade. It also recalculated the measure’s 10-year price tag at $1.68 trillion, though that figure wasn’t directly comparable to a $1.85 trillion figure Democrats have been using.
House approval would ship the legislation to the Senate and end — though just for now — months of battling between Democrats' progressives and moderates over its costs and policies. While significant Senate changes are likely due to cost-cutting demands by moderate Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., House passage would edge Biden closer to winning more of his domestic priorities at a time when his public approval is faltering badly.
The 2,100-page bill's initiatives include bolstering child care assistance, creating free preschool, curbing seniors’ prescription drug costs and beefing up efforts to slow climate change.
“Too many Americans are just barely getting by in our economy,” said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md. “And we simply can’t go back to the way things were before the pandemic.”
Final passage, expected in late evening, was delayed indefinitely as House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., spoke for over an hour criticizing the legislation, Biden and Democrats. Democrats sporadically booed and groaned and McCarthy glared back, underscoring partisan hostility only deepened by this week's censure of Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., for threatening tweets aimed at Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y.
McCarthy, who hopes to become speaker if Republicans capture the chamber in next year’s elections, recited problems the country has faced under Biden, including inflation, large numbers of immigrants crossing the Southwest border and the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. “Yeah, I want to go back,” he said in mocking reference to the “Build Back Better” name Biden uses for the legislation.
House rules do not limit how long party leaders may speak. In 2018, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. — who was minority leader at the time — held the floor for over eight hours demanding action on immigration.
Key figures estimates of the bill's costs by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office aligned closely with earlier figures from the White House. That included tax credits to spur clean energy development, bolstered child care assistance and extended tax breaks for millions of families with children, lower-earning workers and people buying private health insurance.
The measure would provide $109 billion to create free preschool for 3- and 4-year-olds. There were large sums for home health care for seniors, new Medicare coverage for hearing and a new requirement for four weeks of paid family leave. The family leave program, however, was expected to be removed in the Senate, where it’s been opposed by Manchin.
In one major but expected difference, CBO estimated that by spending $80 billion to beef up IRS tax enforcement, the agency would collect $207 billion in new revenue over the coming decade. That meant net savings of $127 billion, well below the White House's more optimistic $400 billion estimate.
In a scorekeeping quirk, CBO formally estimated that the legislation would drive up federal budget deficits by $367 billion over the coming decade. The agency's budget guidelines technically require it to not count IRS savings when measuring a bill's deficit impact. But it acknowledged that the measure's true impact would produce added shortfalls of the lower figure — $160 billion — when counting added revenue the IRS would collect.
Biden and other Democratic leaders have said the measure would pay for itself, largely through tax increases on the wealthy, big corporations and companies doing business abroad.
Republicans said the legislation would damage an economy already racked by inflation, give tax breaks to some wealthy taxpayers and make government bigger and more intrusive. Drawing frequent GOP attacks was a provision boosting the limit on state and local taxes that people can deduct from federal taxes, which disproportionately helps top earners from high-tax coastal states.
Two weeks after centrists' objections forced Democrats to delay the measure, the party's divisions seemed all but resolved, for now. Facing uniform Republican opposition, Democrats can lose no more than three votes to prevail in the House.
In a significant sign of movement, Florida Democratic Rep. Stephanie Murphy, a leading House centrist, said she would back the measure after the latest budget figures persuaded her the legislation “is fiscally disciplined." She said the bill is flawed but “has a lot of positive elements.”
Biden this week signed a $1 trillion package of highway and other infrastructure projects, which he's spent recent days promoting around the country. But he's been battered recently by falling approval numbers in polls, reflecting voters' concerns over inflation, supply chain delays and the persistent coronavirus pandemic.
After months of talks, Democrats appeared eager to wrap it up, shelving lingering differences to begin selling the package back home. House Democrats said they were planning 1,000 events across the country by year's end to pitch the measure's benefits to voters. They face 2022 midterm elections in which Republicans have strong hopes for capturing control of the House and Senate.
House passage of the social and environment bill would send it to the 50-50 Senate, where Democrats have zero votes to spare. That's given enormous leverage to Manchin.
Senate talks could take weeks, and the prospect that Manchin or others will force additional cuts in the measure was making it easier for House moderates to back the legislation Thursday. The altered bill would have to return to the House before going to Biden's desk.
When moderates delayed House passage of the bill two weeks ago, they said they wanted to make sure the CBO's projections for its costs were similar to White House numbers, which showed the measure essentially paid for itself.
But some moderates said projections about IRS savings are always uncertain and would not cause them to oppose the measure. Others said the measure's roughly $555 billion in tax credits and other costs to encourage cleaner energy need not be paid for in the bill because global warming is an existential crisis.
CBO estimated that language helping the government curb prescription drug costs would save $297 billion over 10 years. The savings would come from new constraints on pharmaceutical companies’ pricing, but also by blocking a rule on drug company rebates that was initiated by President Donald Trump but never took effect.
The bill also would let the government issue work permits to millions of immigrants that would let them stay in the U.S. temporarily. That seemed likely to be changed or eliminated in the Senate, where rules limit provisions allowed in budget bills.
The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, which preaches fiscal constraint, estimated that the bill's overall cost would be nearly $5 trillion if Democrats hadn't made some of its programs temporary. For example, tax credits for children and low-earning workers, top party priorities, are extended for just one year, making their price tags appear lower, even though the party would like those programs to be permanent.
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AP Congressional Correspondent Lisa Mascaro and reporter Farnoush Amiri contributed to this report.
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Tell that to the old guy who refuses to admit he lost, continues to do whatever he can to undermine the new guy, and is all but assured to be running again in 2024.JB16057 said:
At some point the old is no longer relevant to the new guy but TDS has a grip on too many people. Let it go ElsaHughFreakingDillon said:
things don't magically start from scratch in politics. the old guy is relevant to the new guy. always has been. but i guess it's time to "move on" when you just want to bitch.JB16057 said:
You don't know what you're talking about. Just because I didn't come to a Pearl Jam message board and complain about Trump does not mean that I wasn't bringing up the issues I have with Trump. Trump is gone. It's time to discuss the current president and get over the last one.HughFreakingDillon said:
it is about biden, but when you complain about shit about biden but were silent during trump about exact same things (that were actually applicable with trump), pointing out the hypocrisy is not making this about trump, it's pointing out inconsistencies.JB16057 said:The Juggler said:
Lol...looks like a group of friends sharing a laugh to me. Here is Trump literally being laughed at on the national stage at the UNJB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:trump was by far the weakest POS that office has ever seen. calling biden weak when he's getting shit done is laughable. i don't see other world leaders gathering together and laughing at him. or laughing at him at a world conference. gimme a break.There's some proof of world leaders laughing at Biden and his usual gaffes. Gimme a break.https://youtu.be/-z4y8OJxlK8I apologize. I thought this thread was about Biden, not Trump.I'm not the only one that is not happy with Biden. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/biden-approval-rating-low/index.htmlYou can talk Biden up all day long but the American people aren't happy with him and that is getting worse day by day.
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Dems' sweeping social, climate bill passes divided HouseBy ALAN FRAM15 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats brushed aside months-long divisions and pushed their expansive social and environment bill through a sharply divided House on Friday, as President Joe Biden and his party moved closer to capitalizing on their control of government by funneling its resources toward their top domestic priorities.
The House approved the legislation by a near party-line 220-213 vote, sending the measure to a Senate where cost-cutting demands by moderate Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and that chamber’s strict rules seem certain to force significant changes. That will prompt fresh disputes between party centrists and progressives that will likely take weeks to resolve.
Even so, House passage marked a watershed for a measure remarkable for the breadth and depth of the changes it would make in federal policies. Wrapped into one bill are far-reaching changes in taxation, health care, energy, climate change, family services, education and housing. That shows the Democrats’ desire to achieve their goals while controlling the White House and Congress — a dominance that could well end after next year’s midterm elections.
The House vote also gave Biden a momentary taste of victory, and probably relief, during perhaps the rockiest period of his presidency. He’s been battered by falling approval numbers in polls, reflecting voters’ concerns over inflation, gridlocked supply chains and the persistent coronavirus pandemic, leaving Democrats worried that their legislative efforts are not breaking through to voters.
“If you are a parent, a senior, a child, a worker, if you're an American, this bill's for you,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., underscoring Democrats' efforts to impress the public.
Biden this week signed a $1 trillion package of highway and other infrastructure projects, another priority that overcame months of internal Democratic battling. The president has spent recent days promoting that measure around the country.
Final approval of the bigger bill, which had been expected Thursday, was delayed when Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., delivered an eight and one-half hour broadside criticizing Biden, Democrats and the bill, the longest speech ever made in the House. When he finished his remarks near dawn, the House recessed briefly before resuming its work, dozens of members designating colleagues to cast their votes.
Standing and referring occasionally to a binder on his desk, McCarthy shouted and rasped hoarsely at times. Democrats sporadically booed and groaned as McCarthy glared back, underscoring partisan hostility only deepened by this week’s censure of Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., for threatening tweets aimed at Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y.
McCarthy, who hopes to become speaker if Republicans capture the chamber in next year’s elections, recited problems the country has faced under Biden, including inflation, China's rise and large numbers of immigrants crossing the Southwest border. “Yeah, I want to go back,” he said in mocking reference to the “Build Back Better” name Biden uses for the legislation.
House rules do not limit how long party leaders may speak. In 2018, Pelosi, minority leader at the time, held the floor for just over eight hours demanding action on immigration. Until McCarthy's speech, hers was the House's longest ever.
Friday's vote came after the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that the package would worsen federal deficits by $160 billion over the coming decade. The agency also recalculated the measure’s 10-year price tag at $1.68 trillion, though that figure wasn’t directly comparable to a $1.85 trillion figure Democrats have been using.
The 2,100-page bill’s initiatives include bolstering child care assistance, creating free preschool, curbing seniors’ prescription drug costs and increasing efforts to slow climate change. Also included are tax credits to spur clean energy development, bolstered child care assistance and extended tax breaks for millions of families with children, lower-earning workers and people buying private health insurance.
Most of it would be paid for by tax increases on the wealthy, big corporations and companies doing business abroad.
The measure would provide $109 billion to create free preschool for 3- and 4-year-olds. There are large sums for home health care for seniors, new Medicare coverage for hearing and a new requirement for four weeks of paid family leave. The family leave program, however, was expected to be removed in the Senate, where it’s been opposed by Manchin.
There is also language to let the government issue work permits to millions of immigrants that would let them stay in the U.S. temporarily, and to save $297 billion by letting the government curb prescription drug costs. The fate of both those provisions is uncertain in the Senate, where the chamber’s nonpartisan parliamentarian enforces rules that limit provisions allowed in budget bills.
In one major but expected difference with the White House, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the bill’s added $80 billion to increase IRS tax enforcement would let it collect $207 billion in new revenue over the coming decade. That meant net savings of $127 billion, well below the White House’s more optimistic $400 billion estimate.
In a scorekeeping quirk, CBO officially estimated that the overall legislation would drive up federal deficits by $367 billion over the coming decade. Agency guidelines require it to ignore IRS savings when measuring a bill’s deficit impact, but it acknowledged that when including the IRS savings, the measure would worsen budget shortfalls by a lower $160 billion.
Biden and other Democratic leaders have said the measure would pay for itself, largely through tax increases on the wealthy, big corporations and companies doing business abroad.
Both parties worry about deficits selectively. Republicans passed tax cuts in 2017 that worsened red ink by $1.9 trillion, while Democrats enacted a COVID-19 relief bill this year with that same price tag.
Republicans said the latest legislation would damage the economy, give tax breaks to some wealthy taxpayers and make government bigger and more intrusive. Drawing frequent GOP attacks was a provision boosting the limit on state and local taxes that people can deduct from federal taxes, which disproportionately helps top earners from high-tax coastal states.
After months of talks, Democrats were eager to begin selling the package back home. Lawmakers said they were planning 1,000 events around the country by year’s end to pitch the measure’s benefits to voters.
Facing uniform Republican opposition, Democrats could lose no more than three votes to prevail in the House, but moderates seemed reassured by CBO’s figures.
Florida Democratic Rep. Stephanie Murphy, a leading centrist, said she would back the measure after the latest numbers showed the legislation “is fiscally disciplined” and “has a lot of positive elements.”
Vice President Kamala Harris’ tie-breaking vote gives Democrats control of the 50-50 Senate. That leaves Democrats with zero votes to spare, giving enormous leverage to Manchin in upcoming bargaining. The altered bill would have to return to the House before going to Biden’s desk.
The nonpartisan private Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, which preaches fiscal constraint, estimated that the bill’s overall cost would be nearly $5 trillion if Democrats hadn’t made some of its programs temporary. For example, tax credits for children and low-earning workers are extended for just one year, making their price tags appear lower, even though the party would like those programs to be permanent.
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AP Congressional Correspondent Lisa Mascaro and reporter Farnoush Amiri contributed to this report.
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