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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Just wanted to pop in wish everyone a Happy Caravan Season! I have a feeling it will be a bigger celebration next year but the next couple weeks will be fun!
    LOL. saw that fox news chyron on twitter last night. what an absolute joke. 
    Like clockwork. Hardly any mention of this big scary caravan in the weeks since the election. 

    Looking forward to next fall!
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  • mickeyrat
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    U.S. and Mexico reach deal to restart Trump-era ‘Remain in Mexico’ program along border
    By Nick Miroff and Kevin Sieff
    December 02 at 10:00 AM EST
    The Biden administration has reached a deal with the Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program that requires asylum seekers to wait outside U.S. territory while their claims are processed, U.S. officials told reporters Thursday morning.
    Implementation of the program, formerly known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), will begin Monday at one border location and quickly expand to San Diego and in the Texas cities of Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso, said the administration officials, who briefed reporters on condition they not be identified.
    The U.S. officials said they expected Mexican authorities to announce the agreement Thursday.
    “Mexico has demanded a number of humanitarian improvements as conditions of agreeing to accept enrollees,” said one U.S. official, including guarantees that asylum seekers will have access to legal counsel and their humanitarian claims will be processed within 180 days.
    “These are improvements we agree with,” the official said.
    The Trump administration used the MPP program to return more than 60,000 asylum seekers across the border to Mexico, where they were often preyed upon by criminal gangs, extortionists and kidnappers. President Biden denounced MPP as inhumane and quickly ended it after taking office, but Republican officials in Texas and Missouri sued the administration in federal court and won an injunction in August forcing the government to resurrect the program.
    The Biden administration will offer coronavirus vaccines to asylum seekers placed in the MPP program, the officials said. Adults will be offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and eligible minors will be able to receive the two-dose Pfizer regimen.
    The shots would not be mandatory, and they will be provided to migrants in U.S. Border Patrol stations by an independent contractor, the officials said.
    The Department of Justice has assigned 22 immigration judges to oversee the MPP restart and ensure claims are processed rapidly to comply with the 180-day timeline, officials said.
    Biden officials have spent the past several weeks negotiating the terms of the restart with the Mexican government, which wanted the Biden administration to provide assurances that asylum seekers’ cases would be processed expeditiously.
    Officials in the United States are planning to initially use the MPP program primarily for single adult asylum seekers, who account for the majority of illegal border crossings, according to one official. Mexico is willing to accept asylum seekers from Spanish-speaking countries, as with the previous version of the program, but migrants from “all western hemisphere nations” will be eligible for return, one administration official said.
    The Biden administration will continue to use the Title 42 public health law — which allows U.S. authorities to rapidly “expel” most border crossers — as its primary border management tool. In recent weeks, the administration has increased the percentage of migrants returned to Mexico or sent home on “expulsion flights” under Title 42, which generally does not afford asylum seekers a chance to apply for U.S. humanitarian protections.
    Two U.S. officials with knowledge of the plans said the restart of MPP would probably begin slowly and ramp up, but the two countries were still discussing numerical targets and ironing out other details ahead of the announcement. Temporary “tent courts” in Brownsville and Laredo have been under construction but may not be fully ready to begin holding hearings next week, one official said.
    The return of MPP is awkward for the Biden administration, which is still formally preparing to end the program even as it brings it back under court order.
    “MPP had endemic flaws, imposed unjustifiable human costs, pulled resources and personnel away from other priority efforts, and did not address the root causes of irregular migration,” Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said in an October statement.
    “MPP not only undercuts the Administration’s ability to implement critically needed and foundational changes to the immigration system, it fails to provide the fair process and humanitarian protections that individuals deserve under the law,” he said.
    Mexico has expressed concern about the implementation of the program, releasing a statement last week outlining several “humanitarian concerns,” including the living conditions of asylum seekers, and their access to legal representation and medical care.
    But when the program was first implemented under the Trump administration, Mexico did little to assist or protect the tens of thousands of migrants who waited for their asylum claims to be processed. Many of them lived in tent camps, shelters or rented apartments in some of the country’s most dangerous cities.
    Human Rights First, a New York-based nonprofit organization, recorded at least 1,544 “violent attacks” against migrants returned to Mexico under the program.
    Some Mexican officials believed the program functioned as deterrent and would lead to fewer migrants transiting through the country, even though it effectively created refugee camps along the border. But after Biden suspended the policy, Mexico bristled against the idea of implementing it once again in response to the court order.


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  • You mean the Belarusian caravan problem?
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  • mickeyrat
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    You mean the Belarusian caravan problem?
    no no. the one where the president of Belarus  sought to disrupt a neighboring country. one with right wing leanings but a member of NATO.

    As I recall many of those in some of the border camps were bussed back out

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  • mickeyrat said:
    You mean the Belarusian caravan problem?
    no no. the one where the president of Belarus  sought to disrupt a neighboring country. one with right wing leanings but a member of NATO.

    As I recall many of those in some of the border camps were bussed back out

    Yes, they signed visas to let them travel to Belarus and the border is turning them back.
  • You mean the Belarusian caravan problem?
    I'll guess you haven't been following then?
  • You mean the Belarusian caravan problem?
    I'll guess you haven't been following then?
    How is it different?
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  • You mean the Belarusian caravan problem?
    I'll guess you haven't been following then?
    How is it different?
    So Belarus wrote visas for the migrants to get into Poland.  They diverted the masses of migrants in the Middle East there to Belarus for the sake of pushing them into Poland.  

    Poland doesn't/can't take on that many people at once and Belarus is trying to purge their country of them.

    An NPR story had a reporter find a Cuban Nationalist there.  He translated for him as no one in Poland could translate.  Cuban and South Americans are making their way to the EU as well as Syrians.
  • mickeyrat
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,952
    Wooooooo, that’ll learn ‘em!
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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,316
    PJPOWER said:
    ~Nothing theatrical about this.~ 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,286
    PJPOWER said:
    ~Nothing theatrical about this.~ 

    heard on radio this morning desantis is sending em to delaware.....
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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,316
    mickeyrat said:
    PJPOWER said:
    ~Nothing theatrical about this.~ 

    heard on radio this morning desantis is sending em to delaware.....
    If politicians spent half as much time trying to actually solve problems and make people's lives better rather than attention seeking stunts, the country would be a lot better off. 
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,381
    PJPOWER said:
    Great use of Texas taxpayer dollars. 
    All of his supporters should be very happy
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,286
    mickeyrat said:
    PJPOWER said:
    ~Nothing theatrical about this.~ 

    heard on radio this morning desantis is sending em to delaware.....
    If politicians spent half as much time trying to actually solve problems and make people's lives better rather than attention seeking stunts, the country would be a lot better off. 

    clarification, desantis made this claim last year apparently. 
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,048
    PJPOWER said:
    Great use of Texas taxpayer dollars. 
    All of his supporters should be very happy
    They are
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,803
    So - taking the political theater out of it....why not send to sanctuary cities?  They've stated they have no issue with it and it's the border states that get to deal with this every day?  

    There has to be a better way then what we are doing and what some others want to do.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,322
    So - taking the political theater out of it....why not send to sanctuary cities?  They've stated they have no issue with it and it's the border states that get to deal with this every day?  

    There has to be a better way then what we are doing and what some others want to do.
    That's sending "more votes" their way!