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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,324
    On the cover of 2 very different newspapers has the border "crisis" on the cover and both pretty scathing towards Biden.

    The Post says that people are being let in despite what the White House tells us then the NYT says the the Biden admin is extremely tough on the migrants and turning them away in droves.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,200
    tempo_n_groove said:
    On the cover of 2 very different newspapers has the border "crisis" on the cover and both pretty scathing towards Biden.

    The Post says that people are being let in despite what the White House tells us then the NYT says the the Biden admin is extremely tough on the migrants and turning them away in droves.
    What a joke. People will believe which ever one they agree with. 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,048
    nicknyr15 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    On the cover of 2 very different newspapers has the border "crisis" on the cover and both pretty scathing towards Biden.

    The Post says that people are being let in despite what the White House tells us then the NYT says the the Biden admin is extremely tough on the migrants and turning them away in droves.
    What a joke. People will believe which ever one they agree with. 
    Well based on actual reporting down here in Texas, from NPR affiliates no less, it sounds like the Post isn't far off the mark.
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  • The Juggler
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    nicknyr15 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    On the cover of 2 very different newspapers has the border "crisis" on the cover and both pretty scathing towards Biden.

    The Post says that people are being let in despite what the White House tells us then the NYT says the the Biden admin is extremely tough on the migrants and turning them away in droves.
    What a joke. People will believe which ever one they agree with. 
    As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle. 
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  • Gern Blansten
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    It is interesting to see republicans care about the treatment of immigrants now...you would think they would be cheering the deportations and whippings
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,324
    Gern Blansten said:
    It is interesting to see republicans care about the treatment of immigrants now...you would think they would be cheering the deportations and whippings
    The way the press hammered Trump about it I would be relentless on reporting it too right now if I were the GOP.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,200
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    On the cover of 2 very different newspapers has the border "crisis" on the cover and both pretty scathing towards Biden.

    The Post says that people are being let in despite what the White House tells us then the NYT says the the Biden admin is extremely tough on the migrants and turning them away in droves.
    What a joke. People will believe which ever one they agree with. 
    Well based on actual reporting down here in Texas, from NPR affiliates no less, it sounds like the Post isn't far off the mark.
    No! Booooo NYPOst boooooo… impossible. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    I think some people need to realize that we aren't treating biden with rose coloured glasses here....we're just happy he's in office and trump isn't. if he's fucking up, i'd love to know about it. and he should get criticized if it's warranted. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Gern Blansten said:
    It is interesting to see republicans care about the treatment of immigrants now...you would think they would be cheering the deportations and whippings

    Being disingenuous is a state of mind for those people. Same thing with out of control spending that they overlooked the last four years and now suddenly care are about again. There are countless examples of this. 

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,977
    Caravans that took months to reach our border with nightly news coverage and screaming about the invasion and nothing done to deal with it when the hordes finally landed versus a "crisis" that materialized in a matter of a week or so and an administration working to address it. And being vilified by the liberal media as it does so. See? Same-same.

    Ignorance is bliss.

    And fuck any Rupert Murdoch owned news outlet. Fucking guy should be stripped of his citizenship, deported and barred re-entry.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Oh, the humanity! Gee, think who is POTUS makes a difference with international cooperation? Only rapists and murderers and drug smugglers, not their best.

    The Homeland Security Department has been busing Haitians from Del Rio to El Paso, Laredo and the Rio Grande Valley along the Texas border, and this week added flights to Tucson, Arizona, the official said. They are processed by the Border Patrol at those locations.

    A second U.S. official, also with direct knowledge and speaking on the condition of anonymity, said large numbers of Haitians were being processed under immigration laws and not being placed on expulsion flights to Haiti that started Sunday. The official couldn't be more specific about how many.

    For Haitians hoping to get to the United States, the administration's decision to release many people is a welcome relief.

    Three hours after leaving the makeshift camp under the International Bridge with his pregnant wife, Mackenson Veillard stood outside a gas station in Del Rio, Texas waiting on a Greyhound Bus to take the couple to a cousin who is living in San Antonio.

    Veillard was one of many to be processed and released on Monday, possibly because his wife is expecting their first child in two months.

    “I felt so stressed,” Veillard said. “But now, I feel better. It’s like I’m starting a new life.”

    However, the decision to release many Haitians, particularly without a clearly stated criteria for who stays and who gets returned to Haiti, will likely add to criticism of the White House, which is already facing bipartisan condemnation. Republicans say Biden administration policies led Haitians to believe they would get asylum. Democrats are expressing outrage after images went viral this week of Border Patrol agents on horseback using aggressive tactics against the migrants.

    Advocates also don’t know how many of the immigrants have been deported so far and how many have been released into the U.S., he said.

    What information attorneys and advocates have been able to find out has come from interviews they have conducted in Del Rio with dozens of immigrants who have been released into the U.S.

    U.S. authorities scrambled in recent days for buses to Tucson but resorted to flights when they couldn’t find enough transportation contractors, both officials said. Coast Guard planes took Haitians from Del Rio to El Paso.

    The releases in the U.S. were occurring despite the signaling of a massive effort to expel Haitians on flights to Haiti under pandemic-related authority that denies migrants an opportunity to seek asylum. A third U.S. official not authorized to discuss operations said there were seven daily flights to Haiti planned starting Wednesday.

    Accounts of wide-scale releases — some observed at the Del Rio bus station by Associated Press journalists — are at odds with statements a day earlier by Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, who traveled to Del Rio to promise swift action.

    “If you come to the United States illegally, you will be returned, your journey will not succeed, and you will be endangering your life and your family’s life,” he said at a Monday news conference.

    The releases come amid a quick effort to empty the camp under a bridge that, according to some estimates, held more than 14,000 people over the weekend in a town of 35,000 people. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, during a visit Tuesday to Del Rio, said the county’s top official told him the most recent tally at the camp was about 8,600 migrants.

    The criteria for deciding who is flown to Haiti and who is released in the U.S. was unclear, but two U.S. officials said single adults were the priority for expulsion flights.

    Meanwhile, Mexico has begun busing and flying Haitian migrants away from the U.S. border, authorities said Tuesday, signaling a new level of support for the United States as the camp presented President Joe Biden with a humanitarian and increasingly political challenge.

    Mexico has helped at key moments before. It intensified patrols to stop unaccompanied Central American children from reaching the Texas border in 2014, allowed tens of thousands of asylum-seekers to wait in Mexico for hearings in U.S. immigration courts in 2019 and, just last month, began deporting Central American migrants to Guatemala after the Biden administration flew them to southern Mexico.


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  • PJPOWER
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    edited September 2021
    https://www.click2houston.com/news/world/2021/09/23/mexican-forces-surround-border-migrant-camp/?outputType=amp

    “There are no plans to stop expelling other migrants despite pressure from Democratic lawmakers, who say migrants are being sent back to a troubled country where they face an uncertain fate, and which some left more than a decade ago.

    UNICEF said in a statement Thursday that based on initial estimates, more than two out of three migrants expelled to Haiti are women and children, including newborns, and about 40% in Del Rio are children.”

    “ Meanwhile, Foote, who was appointed as U.S. envoy for Haiti only in July, wrote Secretary of State Antony Blinken that he was stepping down immediately “with deep disappointment and apologies to those seeking crucial changes.”

    “I will not be associated with the United States inhumane, counterproductive decision to deport thousands of Haitian refugees and illegal immigrants to Haiti, a country where American officials are confined to secure compounds because of the danger posed by armed gangs to daily life,” he wrote. “Our policy approach to Haiti remains deeply flawed, and my policy recommendations have been ignored and dismissed, when not edited to project a narrative different from my own.”

    UNICEF link:

    https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/over-2-3-people-expelled-haiti-us-border-are-women-and-children-unicef

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Damned if you do and damned if you don't. And like the Cons really care for migrants.
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  • hedonist
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Damned if you do and damned if you don't. And like the Cons really care for migrants.
    Hey, their toilets won’t clean themselves! Or can they now… :pensive:
  • mace1229
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    edited September 2021
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJPOWER said:
    The buck stops at Joe.  What a mess…:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-haitian-migrants-swimming-into-mexico-avoid-deported-us-authorities-2021-9

    Whips, Sleepy Joe pushing to continue Trump’s “Title 42” expulsions…WTF!
    Whips being used on black people by federal customs authorities cannot be good for the approval ratings, so no wonder they are trying to keep the media away

    US Customs and Border Patrol agents were photographed using whips to prevent Haitian migrants from joining the other Haitian migrants in Del Rio, Texas.



    So I saw the video of this.  It's crowd control tactics to control a crowd.  No one was whipped.

    I heard Kamala say she was appalled.

    I'm actually confused on what the border patrol agents' job is anymore.
    Not to mention there were no whips to begin with.
    I get where they are coming from in saying "whips". That thing they are whipping/flailing around that directs the horse is what they are talking about.  I don't ride so I don't know what that is called.
    Aren’t they just the reins? That’s what it looks like to me. Everyone knows what a rein is, and I know nothing about riding horses. The wooden horse we got our 2 year old has a rein on it. Everyone knows the expression “rein it in.” I just don’t buy any journalist doesn’t know what a rein is and thought they were whips.Claiming they are whipping people gives an image that are riding around with actual whips, and , you know, using them on people. When in reality they were just reins and from all the video I saw, no one was actually whipped.
    Now some sources did say they were using reins as whips, but the first stories I saw the first day this broke said they were using whips. Including the link posted here.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    in this day and age, if it doesn't have video, i'm skeptical of it. and even then, with technology....
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJPOWER said:
    The buck stops at Joe.  What a mess…:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-haitian-migrants-swimming-into-mexico-avoid-deported-us-authorities-2021-9

    Whips, Sleepy Joe pushing to continue Trump’s “Title 42” expulsions…WTF!
    Whips being used on black people by federal customs authorities cannot be good for the approval ratings, so no wonder they are trying to keep the media away

    US Customs and Border Patrol agents were photographed using whips to prevent Haitian migrants from joining the other Haitian migrants in Del Rio, Texas.



    So I saw the video of this.  It's crowd control tactics to control a crowd.  No one was whipped.

    I heard Kamala say she was appalled.

    I'm actually confused on what the border patrol agents' job is anymore.
    Not to mention there were no whips to begin with.
    I get where they are coming from in saying "whips". That thing they are whipping/flailing around that directs the horse is what they are talking about.  I don't ride so I don't know what that is called.
    Aren’t they just the reins? That’s what it looks like to me. Everyone knows what a rein is, and I know nothing about riding horses. The wooden horse we got our 2 year old has a rein on it. Everyone knows the expression “rein it in.” I just don’t buy any journalist doesn’t know what a rein is and thought they were whips.Claiming they are whipping people gives an image that are riding around with actual whips, and , you know, using them on people. When in reality they were just reins and from all the video I saw, no one was actually whipped.
    Now some sources did say they were using reins as whips, but the first stories I saw the first day this broke said they were using whips. Including the link posted here.
    They are reins, but you can definitely “whip” someone with a rein.  In the image below, you can see how long the reins are and the aggressiveness of the person on horseback.  


  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    in this day and age, if it doesn't have video, i'm skeptical of it. and even then, with technology....
    I’m all about some healthy skepticism, but the White House isn’t denying the brutality either.  The “no media” and strict no-recording orders are probably why more videos are not available….yet.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,324
    PJPOWER said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJPOWER said:
    The buck stops at Joe.  What a mess…:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-haitian-migrants-swimming-into-mexico-avoid-deported-us-authorities-2021-9

    Whips, Sleepy Joe pushing to continue Trump’s “Title 42” expulsions…WTF!
    Whips being used on black people by federal customs authorities cannot be good for the approval ratings, so no wonder they are trying to keep the media away

    US Customs and Border Patrol agents were photographed using whips to prevent Haitian migrants from joining the other Haitian migrants in Del Rio, Texas.



    So I saw the video of this.  It's crowd control tactics to control a crowd.  No one was whipped.

    I heard Kamala say she was appalled.

    I'm actually confused on what the border patrol agents' job is anymore.
    Not to mention there were no whips to begin with.
    I get where they are coming from in saying "whips". That thing they are whipping/flailing around that directs the horse is what they are talking about.  I don't ride so I don't know what that is called.
    Aren’t they just the reins? That’s what it looks like to me. Everyone knows what a rein is, and I know nothing about riding horses. The wooden horse we got our 2 year old has a rein on it. Everyone knows the expression “rein it in.” I just don’t buy any journalist doesn’t know what a rein is and thought they were whips.Claiming they are whipping people gives an image that are riding around with actual whips, and , you know, using them on people. When in reality they were just reins and from all the video I saw, no one was actually whipped.
    Now some sources did say they were using reins as whips, but the first stories I saw the first day this broke said they were using whips. Including the link posted here.
    They are reins, but you can definitely “whip” someone with a rein.  In the image below, you can see how long the reins are and the aggressiveness of the person on horseback.  


    Yes they could whip them but this shows the agent grabbing the person and not whipping them.  The video I have seen so far has the agents making a noise on their chaps.  It's a way to get attention from whom they are corralling.

    These people have multiple to-go meals and sports drinks.  Where the hell did they get those from?  Were they stolen?  Is that why they are tracking these people down?

    There just has to be way more to this than what has been reported.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,324
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    PJPOWER said:
    The buck stops at Joe.  What a mess…:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-haitian-migrants-swimming-into-mexico-avoid-deported-us-authorities-2021-9

    Whips, Sleepy Joe pushing to continue Trump’s “Title 42” expulsions…WTF!
    Whips being used on black people by federal customs authorities cannot be good for the approval ratings, so no wonder they are trying to keep the media away

    US Customs and Border Patrol agents were photographed using whips to prevent Haitian migrants from joining the other Haitian migrants in Del Rio, Texas.



    So I saw the video of this.  It's crowd control tactics to control a crowd.  No one was whipped.

    I heard Kamala say she was appalled.

    I'm actually confused on what the border patrol agents' job is anymore.
    Not to mention there were no whips to begin with.
    I get where they are coming from in saying "whips". That thing they are whipping/flailing around that directs the horse is what they are talking about.  I don't ride so I don't know what that is called.
    Aren’t they just the reins? That’s what it looks like to me. Everyone knows what a rein is, and I know nothing about riding horses. The wooden horse we got our 2 year old has a rein on it. Everyone knows the expression “rein it in.” I just don’t buy any journalist doesn’t know what a rein is and thought they were whips.Claiming they are whipping people gives an image that are riding around with actual whips, and , you know, using them on people. When in reality they were just reins and from all the video I saw, no one was actually whipped.
    Now some sources did say they were using reins as whips, but the first stories I saw the first day this broke said they were using whips. Including the link posted here.
    REINS!!!  Yes, that is the word that I was searching for.  Thanks.  Slipped my mind.

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