14 years and counting...

Halifax2TheMax

And what exactly is the repub plan for addressing immigration, again? Build a wall that Mexico will pay for and own the libs by bussing them or flying them to MV, Brandon’s home in Delaware or VP Kamala’s hilltop manse. Hey but Brandon is the most absent minded POTUS ever.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/01/11/key-facts-about-u-s-immigration-policies-and-bidens-proposed-changes/

josevolution

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The “plan” in Deathsantis’ instance was an illegal use of legislature approved funds and the manner by which the migrants were deceived into going to MV was an act of fraud. Fucker should be brought up on charges. In Tejas’ and Abbot&Costello’s case, the “plan”was nothing more than to own the libs, not one iota of humanitarianism included. Nice attempt at a defence of the brown shirts though, sorely lacking as it was.

We’ll you’ll be upset to learn that he won over Latinos with that move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/floridas-hispanic-voters-back-desantis-crist-support-marthas-vineyard-rcna53493

Yes Cubans loved it! I don’t consider them to be the normal Latinos Cubans don’t care about their Hispanic brothers & sisters 

Halifax2TheMax

Because no one ever has ever climbed over or on top of a stacked shipping container. Ever. Brilliant.

Arizona stacks shipping containers along the border | CNN

cincybearcat

josevolution said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The “plan” in Deathsantis’ instance was an illegal use of legislature approved funds and the manner by which the migrants were deceived into going to MV was an act of fraud. Fucker should be brought up on charges. In Tejas’ and Abbot&Costello’s case, the “plan”was nothing more than to own the libs, not one iota of humanitarianism included. Nice attempt at a defence of the brown shirts though, sorely lacking as it was.

We’ll you’ll be upset to learn that he won over Latinos with that move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/floridas-hispanic-voters-back-desantis-crist-support-marthas-vineyard-rcna53493

Yes Cubans loved it! I don’t consider them to be the normal Latinos Cubans don’t care about their Hispanic brothers & sisters 

What’s a “normal Latino” 

josevolution

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The “plan” in Deathsantis’ instance was an illegal use of legislature approved funds and the manner by which the migrants were deceived into going to MV was an act of fraud. Fucker should be brought up on charges. In Tejas’ and Abbot&Costello’s case, the “plan”was nothing more than to own the libs, not one iota of humanitarianism included. Nice attempt at a defence of the brown shirts though, sorely lacking as it was.

We’ll you’ll be upset to learn that he won over Latinos with that move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/floridas-hispanic-voters-back-desantis-crist-support-marthas-vineyard-rcna53493

Yes Cubans loved it! I don’t consider them to be the normal Latinos Cubans don’t care about their Hispanic brothers & sisters 

What’s a “normal Latino” 

They are different normal is not the word I should of used arrogant is what I meant, they have the mentality of we are here now you can close the door to all other Hispanics coming from Latin America.

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The “plan” in Deathsantis’ instance was an illegal use of legislature approved funds and the manner by which the migrants were deceived into going to MV was an act of fraud. Fucker should be brought up on charges. In Tejas’ and Abbot&Costello’s case, the “plan”was nothing more than to own the libs, not one iota of humanitarianism included. Nice attempt at a defence of the brown shirts though, sorely lacking as it was.

We’ll you’ll be upset to learn that he won over Latinos with that move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/floridas-hispanic-voters-back-desantis-crist-support-marthas-vineyard-rcna53493

Yes Cubans loved it! I don’t consider them to be the normal Latinos Cubans don’t care about their Hispanic brothers & sisters 

What’s a “normal Latino” 

They are different normal is not the word I should of used arrogant is what I meant, they have the mentality of we are here now you can close the door to all other Hispanics coming from Latin America.

Imagine a white person saying this? Whoo boy!

Thank you for your honesty Jose.

Halifax2TheMax

So, the attacker of Mr. Pelosi was in the US illegally. An illegal immigrant. Where's the outrage on the right? Oh, yea, never mind. Hypocrites.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

So, the attacker of Mr. Pelosi was in the US illegally. An illegal immigrant. Where's the outrage on the right? Oh, yea, never mind. Hypocrites.

They'll say because of Left policies is why he was in here.

C'mon.

mickeyrat

op-ed gift article

https://wapo.st/3Oy9fFJ 

Opinion | Kevin McCarthy’s border trip shows how tired this stunt has become

tempo_n_groove

NYC has opened up another asylum spot right outside of Penn Station.  Big traffic area.  I'm curious if the are a attracts more homeless even though that isn't what it's for?  In the last 10 years I have been here this area shows a growing of it.
https://www.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/872-22/mayor-adams-new-placement-humanitarian-emergency-response-relief-center-assist

 

Halifax2TheMax

Trump, covid slowed down immigration. Now employers can’t find workers.

A shortfall of immigrants is worsening widespread labor shortages and hobbling the U.S. economy at a time when more than 10 million jobs remain unfilled, particularly in low-paying and physically demanding industries.

Alonzo Arteaga’s title is general manager of a small hotel in Topeka, Kan. But these days, he doubles as a housekeeper, making beds, vacuuming floors and laundering towels to fill an ever-worsening worker shortage.

Like businesses around the country, Senate Luxury Suites is struggling to keep going without critical employees. The hotel is down to three housekeepers, half of what it had before the pandemic, and Arteaga blames a years-long immigration slowdown, which he says has made an already tough situation worse.

“It’s been three years of trying absolutely everything,” said Arteaga, who has raised pay by about $3 an hour and offers discounted monthly rates to employees. “It feels like the workers really aren’t there.”

A shortfall of immigrants is worsening widespread labor shortages and hobbling the U.S. economy at a time when more than 10 million jobs remain unfilled, particularly in low-paying and physically demanding industries such as hospitality, agriculture, construction and health care.

While the slowdown in immigration began well before the pandemic, the covid crisis intensified the process as the Trump administration effectively halted the flow of foreign-born workers into the United States. Although legal immigration has rebounded somewhat since then, particularly in the last six months, major shortages remain, rippling through the economy at a time when the labor force is also missing workers from early retirements, ongoing health problems and caregiving challenges. Labor force shortages are also contributing to higher prices for some goods and services, as companies raise wages to compete for a smaller pool of workers and to keep existing staff.

The crisis had prompted senators on both sides of the aisle to try to strike a deal that allowed more legal immigration in the weeks before Republicans take control of the House. But those proposals never got off the ground, making an immigration overhaul far less politically feasible.

Congress working to strike last-minute immigration deals

“Immigration is something almost everyone agrees needs to be fixed, but it’s become a political wedge issue,” said Tara Watson, an economics professor at Williams College and fellow at the Brookings Institution. “There have been huge bureaucratic delays since the Trump administration. And of course covid really put a wrench in the gears. But this is a long-term structural problem that has not been addressed.”

Economists say it’s difficult to quantify exactly how many foreign-born workers are missing from the labor force, particularly when it comes to undocumented immigrants. By one estimate, the United States is shy of about 1.7 million legal immigrants based on pre-pandemic migration trends, according to Giovanni Peri, director of the Global Migration Center at the University of California at Davis.

Even though immigration rates have picked up in recent months, Peri says it could be another four years before the country makes up for current shortfalls. Even then, it won’t be enough to catch up to the rapidly aging workforce that is projected to leave millions more positions unfilled.

Economists estimate that the lack of immigration is responsible for close to half of the workers missing from the labor force, a deficit Federal Reserve Chair Jerome H. Powell recently estimated to be about 3.5 million workers.

“There is no question: We need more immigration,” said Adam Ozimek, chief economist at Economic Innovation Group, a nonpartisan business organization. “Immigrants aren’t just workers, they are particularly flexible, mobile workers, who help address acute labor shortages wherever they emerge. And that’s particularly important in this constrained economy we’re facing right now.”

Visas for college students and highly skilled science and tech workers have bounced back relatively quickly, Peri said. But immigration rates for people without a college education have been slower to make up for lost ground.

“If someone doesn’t have much education and doesn’t have a close relative in the U.S., there is virtually no legal pathway for them to get a green card," said Watson of Williams College. “There is a pool of untapped talent out there.”

Trump took office, largely on an anti-immigrant platform. Although his administration didn’t make legislative changes, it slowed down visa processing through “a culture of extreme vetting and extreme delays” that was enough to deter immigration in all forms, especially among those without college educations, Peri said.

The number of new immigrants entering the country legally each year, which peaked in 2016, fell by 6 percent in 2017 and another 9 percent the following year, according to data from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. But the pandemic dealt the biggest blow: New arrivals plunged 50 percent between 2019 and 2021.

“Covid caused two years of lost immigration,” Peri said. “Embassies and consulates that release visas were mostly shut down. The processing of green cards in the U.S. was mostly shut down. Even international travel was mostly gone.”

Many of those situations have since improved, but business owners say it hasn’t been enough to make up for years of lost workers.

Early in the pandemic, Mariama Lowe lost nearly three-quarters of the employees at her home health-care business in Alexandria, Va., to covid illnesses, career changes and early retirements. She’s since gone from 100 nurses and personal care aides — almost all of them immigrants — to 27.

“We’re in a very difficult position, because there is nobody to hire anymore,” Lowe said. “Tech companies can go recruit from anywhere; they have all of these avenues available to them. But a home health agency like me? I don’t have that opportunity. I just have to go with whoever’s here and whoever’s available. And right now, it’s not a lot.”

Beyond creating wider avenues for immigrants to enter the country, business owners, economists and policymakers say there also needs to be a focus on retaining foreign-born workers already in the United States. That includes “dreamers,” undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as young children; recently laid-off tech workers on H1-B visas who may have to leave the country if they don’t find new work within 60 days; and the adult children of highly educated legal immigrants awaiting permanent residency.

Continues

Immigration revisions would alleviate worker shortages, businesses say - The Washington Post

tempo_n_groove

I don't know how true this story is for NYC considering we are opening up more asylum houses here in and have a border that is still crowded.

Maybe the smaller cities are having trouble?

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

I don't know how true this story is for NYC considering we are opening up more asylum houses here in and have a border that is still crowded.

Maybe the smaller cities are having trouble?

Does NYC traditionally have jobs that 'Muricans don't want to do? Lots of hospitality jobs in hotels and food service. And the number of work visas for those types of positions has been held at the same number since 2006, I think the article mentioned. Farmers are planting/raising less because they don't have the labor to harvest. Which leads to higher prices, less supply, inflation. Mexico's Gen X'ers and Z'ers don't want that work as they're more educated than in the past. So, that's where immigrants from Central America come in. But you know, the "other." And POOTWH slow walked LEGAL immigration. We're our own worst enemy at times with our combined exploitation and fear mongering. Build the wall. Dumbest fucking campaign slogan ever and tens of millions of 'Muricans fell for it.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I don't know how true this story is for NYC considering we are opening up more asylum houses here in and have a border that is still crowded.

Maybe the smaller cities are having trouble?

Does NYC traditionally have jobs that 'Muricans don't want to do? Lots of hospitality jobs in hotels and food service. And the number of work visas for those types of positions has been held at the same number since 2006, I think the article mentioned. Farmers are planting/raising less because they don't have the labor to harvest. Which leads to higher prices, less supply, inflation. Mexico's Gen X'ers and Z'ers don't want that work as they're more educated than in the past. So, that's where immigrants from Central America come in. But you know, the "other." And POOTWH slow walked LEGAL immigration. We're our own worst enemy at times with our combined exploitation and fear mongering. Build the wall. Dumbest fucking campaign slogan ever and tens of millions of 'Muricans fell for it.

Food industry here just like where you live.  Go into your favorite restaurants kitchen and it's the same. Usually not legals.

Didn't Trump lose a few of his Mir a laga workers because of his policy?

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I don't know how true this story is for NYC considering we are opening up more asylum houses here in and have a border that is still crowded.

Maybe the smaller cities are having trouble?

Does NYC traditionally have jobs that 'Muricans don't want to do? Lots of hospitality jobs in hotels and food service. And the number of work visas for those types of positions has been held at the same number since 2006, I think the article mentioned. Farmers are planting/raising less because they don't have the labor to harvest. Which leads to higher prices, less supply, inflation. Mexico's Gen X'ers and Z'ers don't want that work as they're more educated than in the past. So, that's where immigrants from Central America come in. But you know, the "other." And POOTWH slow walked LEGAL immigration. We're our own worst enemy at times with our combined exploitation and fear mongering. Build the wall. Dumbest fucking campaign slogan ever and tens of millions of 'Muricans fell for it.

Food industry here just like where you live.  Go into your favorite restaurants kitchen and it's the same. Usually not legals.

Didn't Trump lose a few of his Mir a laga workers because of his policy?

That's the point. Make them legal by upping the numbers allowed in, streamlining the process and understand that the US economy needs people to fill these jobs. Stop being afraid of the "other" and welcome them here. Afterall, they end up being better than native born. 10M unfilled jobs in the US, a loss of 5 years of migrant labor due to POOTWH and covid. Who's cleaning up Flo Rida, by the way? And I'm not insinuating that you're afraid of the "other." Repubs mostly are and deplorables surely are.

josevolution

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I don't know how true this story is for NYC considering we are opening up more asylum houses here in and have a border that is still crowded.

Maybe the smaller cities are having trouble?

Does NYC traditionally have jobs that 'Muricans don't want to do? Lots of hospitality jobs in hotels and food service. And the number of work visas for those types of positions has been held at the same number since 2006, I think the article mentioned. Farmers are planting/raising less because they don't have the labor to harvest. Which leads to higher prices, less supply, inflation. Mexico's Gen X'ers and Z'ers don't want that work as they're more educated than in the past. So, that's where immigrants from Central America come in. But you know, the "other." And POOTWH slow walked LEGAL immigration. We're our own worst enemy at times with our combined exploitation and fear mongering. Build the wall. Dumbest fucking campaign slogan ever and tens of millions of 'Muricans fell for it.

Food industry here just like where you live.  Go into your favorite restaurants kitchen and it's the same. Usually not legals.

Didn't Trump lose a few of his Mir a laga workers because of his policy?

I’ve noticed it’s not just restaurants they work for house contractors, landscaping,house cleaning! I’ve seen those roofing crews get to a house all immigrants and take the roof off in 4 hrs and have new roof on by days end and how about those tree cutting crews those guys are the best climbers! One of those crews took down a 60’ oak in my yard in 8 hrs I was shocked how fast they worked plus how good the climbers were..

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I don't know how true this story is for NYC considering we are opening up more asylum houses here in and have a border that is still crowded.

Maybe the smaller cities are having trouble?

Does NYC traditionally have jobs that 'Muricans don't want to do? Lots of hospitality jobs in hotels and food service. And the number of work visas for those types of positions has been held at the same number since 2006, I think the article mentioned. Farmers are planting/raising less because they don't have the labor to harvest. Which leads to higher prices, less supply, inflation. Mexico's Gen X'ers and Z'ers don't want that work as they're more educated than in the past. So, that's where immigrants from Central America come in. But you know, the "other." And POOTWH slow walked LEGAL immigration. We're our own worst enemy at times with our combined exploitation and fear mongering. Build the wall. Dumbest fucking campaign slogan ever and tens of millions of 'Muricans fell for it.

Food industry here just like where you live.  Go into your favorite restaurants kitchen and it's the same. Usually not legals.

Didn't Trump lose a few of his Mir a laga workers because of his policy?

I’ve noticed it’s not just restaurants they work for house contractors, landscaping,house cleaning! I’ve seen those roofing crews get to a house all immigrants and take the roof off in 4 hrs and have new roof on by days end and how about those tree cutting crews those guys are the best climbers! One of those crews took down a 60’ oak in my yard in 8 hrs I was shocked how fast they worked plus how good the climbers were..

I used to be a tree climber and landscaper.  Tough work.  You don't find our youth doing that anymore.  Those jobs are actually career paths for people now.

tempo_n_groove

NYC removed tent city from Randalls island only to talk about putting it up again.

After Title 42 ends soon we are expected to receive an additional 1000 asylum seekers a day here.

jdasilvaf

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I don't know how true this story is for NYC considering we are opening up more asylum houses here in and have a border that is still crowded.

Maybe the smaller cities are having trouble?

Does NYC traditionally have jobs that 'Muricans don't want to do? Lots of hospitality jobs in hotels and food service. And the number of work visas for those types of positions has been held at the same number since 2006, I think the article mentioned. Farmers are planting/raising less because they don't have the labor to harvest. Which leads to higher prices, less supply, inflation. Mexico's Gen X'ers and Z'ers don't want that work as they're more educated than in the past. So, that's where immigrants from Central America come in. But you know, the "other." And POOTWH slow walked LEGAL immigration. We're our own worst enemy at times with our combined exploitation and fear mongering. Build the wall. Dumbest fucking campaign slogan ever and tens of millions of 'Muricans fell for it.

Food industry here just like where you live.  Go into your favorite restaurants kitchen and it's the same. Usually not legals.

Didn't Trump lose a few of his Mir a laga workers because of his policy?

That's the point. Make them legal by upping the numbers allowed in, streamlining the process and understand that the US economy needs people to fill these jobs. Stop being afraid of the "other" and welcome them here. Afterall, they end up being better than native born. 10M unfilled jobs in the US, a loss of 5 years of migrant labor due to POOTWH and covid. Who's cleaning up Flo Rida, by the way? And I'm not insinuating that you're afraid of the "other." Repubs mostly are and deplorables surely are.

This is a great comment. While the US has a long history of imposing restrictive and racist immigration policies (see: Chinese Exclusion Act), for much of the first half of the 20th century it was easier for people to come to the US work for a time, save money, and return home. Some did so seasonally, then we started punishing people for coming and going and restricting entry (unless you could prove you were a tourist or had a student/work/business owner visa) which in turn made people who came in through irregular means have to stay here or they could never come back. Reagan was a terrible politician, but his administration and congress collaborating on legalizing millions of undocumented people was a huge improvement (see IRCA of 1986). The fact that no other administration has been able to re-do this is an embarrassment. Both parties use the same dehumanizing rhetoric to refer to immigrants as a "illegals", "flood", "wave", "invasion", and their unwillingness to actually address the root causes (bad immigration policy, bad US foreign policy) they seem content to keep people vulnerable and easily exploitable as flexible labor. 

mickeyrat

So Cubans are ok. but others from the broader region are not. fleeing for the same or similar reasons.

https://apnews.com/article/united-states-government-cuba-florida-875b5ffd18563c479543ed77fffe77dd

 

United States government cuba government Cuba Florida

Cuban migrants flow into Florida Keys, overwhelm officials

By CODY JACKSON and TERRY SPENCER

Today

MARATHON, Fla. (AP) — More than 500 Cuban immigrants have come ashore in the Florida Keys since the weekend, the latest in a large and increasing number who are fleeing the communist island and stretching thin U.S. border agencies both on land and at sea.

It is a dangerous 100-mile (160-kilometer) trip in often rickety boats — unknown thousands having perished over the years — but more Cubans are taking the risk amid deepening and compounding political and economic crises at home. A smaller number of Haitians are also fleeing their country’s economic and political woes and arriving by boat in Florida.

The Coast Guard tries to interdict Cuban migrants at sea and return them. Since the U.S. government’s new fiscal year began Oct. 1, about 4,200 have been stopped at sea — or about 43 a day. That was up from 17 per day in the previous fiscal year and just two per day during the 2020-21 fiscal year.

But an unknown number have made it to land and will likely get to stay.

“I would prefer to die to reach my dream and help my family. The situation in Cuba is not very good,” Jeiler del Toro Diaz told The Miami Herald shortly after coming ashore Tuesday in Key Largo.

The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees U.S. Customs and Border Protection, said it would be issuing a statement Wednesday, but had not yet done so.

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Dry Tortugas National Park, a group of seven islands 70 miles (110 kilometers) west of Key West, remained closed to visitors Wednesday as the U.S. evacuated migrants who came ashore there earlier in the week. Normally, about 255 tourists a day arrive by boat and seaplane to tour the islands and Fort Jefferson, which was built 160 years ago. Officials did not know when it would reopen.

In Marathon, some 45 miles (72 kilometers) northeast of Key West, about two dozen migrants were being held in a fenced-in area outside a Customs and Border Protection station where tents had been erected to provide shade. When Associated Press journalists tried to speak with the migrants through the fence, Border Patrol employees told them to leave.

Ramón Raul Sanchez with the Cuban-American group Movimiento Democracia went to the Keys to check on the situation. He told the AP that he met a group of 22 Cubans who had just arrived. They were standing along the main road, waiting for U.S. authorities to pick them up. Sanchez and Keys officials said the Biden administration needs a more coordinated response.

“There is a migration and humanitarian crisis, and it is necessary for the president to respond by helping local authorities,” Sanchez said.

Cubans are willing to take the risk because those who make it to U.S. soil almost always get to stay, even if their legal status is murky. They also arrive by land, flying to Nicaragua, then traveling north through Honduras and Guatemala into Mexico. In the 2021-22 fiscal year, 220,000 Cubans were stopped at the U.S.-Mexican border, almost six times as many as the previous year.

Callan Garcia, a Florida immigration attorney, said most Cubans who reach U.S. soil tell Border Patrol agents they can't find adequate work at home. They are then flagged “expedited for removal" as having entered the country illegally. But that does not mean the actually will be removed quickly — or at all.

Because the U.S. and Cuba do not have formal diplomatic relations, the American government has no way to repatriate them. Cubans are released but given an order that requires them to contact federal immigration authorities periodically to confirm their address and status. They are allowed to get work permits, driver’s licenses and Social Security numbers, but cannot apply for permanent residency or citizenship.

Garcia said that can last for the rest of their lives; some Cubans who came in the 1980 Mariel boatlift still are designated “expedited for removal."

“They're just sort of here with a floating order for removal that can't be executed,” Garcia said.

A small percentage of Cuban immigrants tell Border Patrol agents they are fleeing political persecution and are “paroled," Garcia said. Under the 1966 Cuban Adjustment Act, they are released until they can appear before an immigration judge to make their case. If approved, they can receive permanent residency and later apply for citizenship.

On the other hand, Haitian immigrants almost always get sent back, even though political persecution and violence is rife there, along with severe economic hardship.

“That inconsistency has something that immigrant rights advocates have always pointed to,” Garcia said.

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Spencer reported from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. AP reporter Gisela Salomon in Miami contributed to this report.