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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    OnWis97 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jeezus man.  You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?

    You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
    I absolutely think he wanted to shoot people.
    I'm in the minority on this and give humans too much leeway...  I really do.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
    Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
    It was the police's responsibility to handle. Even if they were not effective, he and others like him didn't have that responsibility and shouldn't have been there. 
    I don't disagree with that.

    Again, none of it happens if police are allowed to do their jobs.

    It's a shitty catch 22.  It doesn't have a right answer that will appease everyone.
    I don't see that the police weren't allowed to do their jobs, more or less that they were overwhelmed.  The lengths that would have to be gone to to get crowds that large into shape would be very authoritarian.
    Crowd control isn't pretty sometimes.  Another catch 22.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jeezus man.  You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?

    You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
    It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
    I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.

    Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
    Because that’s what “responsible” gun owners do with their guns, scare and intimidate people. Seems reasonable. And why not?

    If you really believe that people don’t buy guns for the intention of killing people then I don’t know what planet you’re living on.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starting_pistol

    Same planet...
    Yea, because buying a starters pistol is the same as buying a fully functional firearm. What planet you on bro?
    I would imagine you've never done skeet or sporting clays then?
    Edit: Bro...
    Isn’t one of the cardinal rules of “responsible” gun possession, even if purchased for skeet or clay shooting, bro, is to never brandish it unless you’re prepared to take a life? How many recreational skeet shooters walk around with their firearm slung over their shoulder in public just because it’s open carry? How many skeet shooters use an AR15 to shoot skeet?

    To believe that “people” don’t buy guns for the purpose of “killing” people is a disconnect from reality. What planet, bro?
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  • static111
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jeezus man.  You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?

    You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
    It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
    I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.

    Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
    Scare people in what way, that he might use deadly force against them.  Seems reasonable, go to a town that isnt in your state with a firearm to scare people that are protesting against something you don't agree with.  Sure I'm sure the thought of actually using the gun never in 1000 years crossed his mind. Cmon Man!
    Intimidation would be my first thought, but that is just me.  You see a security guard you think twice about stealing I would imagine?

    If he did intend on harming someone then he got his wish and I can guarantee it is not how he thought it would end.
    I don't mean to be piling on, I'm just curious as to how you have arrived at your opinion.  It seems you are more trusting of people that purchase or borrow guns to transport them to areas of social unrest for the purposes of intimidation than I am.  I get where you are coming from but can't understand.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jeezus man.  You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?

    You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
    I absolutely think he wanted to shoot people.
    I'm in the minority on this and give humans too much leeway...  I really do.
    I'm not disputing that most people buy guns hoping not to use them. But I'd bet for every, say, 10 of those, there's one that fantasizes about it. And that one is probably more likely to go into a situation that opens himself up to potentially needing to.

    It's always looked to me to me like pre-meditated self defense. It's just so obvious of an outcome of doing what he did. Best case...he got too exited wanting to "play cop."  But from here it looks like someone that either was hoping for an excuse or actively trying to create an exucse.
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  • Indifference
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    I don't want to make any personal attacks as this forum toxic enough - last comments as predicted.

    1) He gets off - likely shouldn't of been charged in the first place.  If have issue with him doing what he was doing before what happened then that is a personal perspective and let the rule of law decide.

    2) He going to get rich with libel lawsuits.

    For those that disagree fine - but that is what is going to happen.  Hopefully see you all at a show soon!

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  • Ledbetterman10
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    I think he’s dying under cross examination. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jeezus man.  You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?

    You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
    It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
    I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.

    Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
    Because that’s what “responsible” gun owners do with their guns, scare and intimidate people. Seems reasonable. And why not?

    If you really believe that people don’t buy guns for the intention of killing people then I don’t know what planet you’re living on.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starting_pistol

    Same planet...
    Yea, because buying a starters pistol is the same as buying a fully functional firearm. What planet you on bro?
    I would imagine you've never done skeet or sporting clays then?
    Edit: Bro...
    Isn’t one of the cardinal rules of “responsible” gun possession, even if purchased for skeet or clay shooting, bro, is to never brandish it unless you’re prepared to take a life? How many recreational skeet shooters walk around with their firearm slung over their shoulder in public just because it’s open carry? How many skeet shooters use an AR15 to shoot skeet?

    To believe that “people” don’t buy guns for the purpose of “killing” people is a disconnect from reality. What planet, bro?
    Bro.  You asked what guns do people buy that aren't meant to shoot people.  I gave you 3 examples.  A starter pistol, Sporting clay guns and Skeet guns.

    Planet earth... Bro.
  • Ledbetterman10
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I think he’s dying under cross examination. 
    The judge seems to be on the side of the defense. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jeezus man.  You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?

    You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
    It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
    I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.

    Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
    Scare people in what way, that he might use deadly force against them.  Seems reasonable, go to a town that isnt in your state with a firearm to scare people that are protesting against something you don't agree with.  Sure I'm sure the thought of actually using the gun never in 1000 years crossed his mind. Cmon Man!
    Intimidation would be my first thought, but that is just me.  You see a security guard you think twice about stealing I would imagine?

    If he did intend on harming someone then he got his wish and I can guarantee it is not how he thought it would end.
    I don't mean to be piling on, I'm just curious as to how you have arrived at your opinion.  It seems you are more trusting of people that purchase or borrow guns to transport them to areas of social unrest for the purposes of intimidation than I am.  I get where you are coming from but can't understand.
    OnWis97 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jeezus man.  You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?

    You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
    I absolutely think he wanted to shoot people.
    I'm in the minority on this and give humans too much leeway...  I really do.
    I'm not disputing that most people buy guns hoping not to use them. But I'd bet for every, say, 10 of those, there's one that fantasizes about it. And that one is probably more likely to go into a situation that opens himself up to potentially needing to.

    It's always looked to me to me like pre-meditated self defense. It's just so obvious of an outcome of doing what he did. Best case...he got too exited wanting to "play cop."  But from here it looks like someone that either was hoping for an excuse or actively trying to create an exucse.
    I seem to be wayyy too trusting.  Yes.

    You hire a body guard to protect you.  He is there as a form of intimidation.  He went there for the same reason.  

    That is my way of thinking like an 18YO.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,170
    He'll likely get off...definitely should have been charged to make sure all the facts were out.

    No libel...nothing there. But he'll get rich selling Slim Jim to rednecks.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    he will get rich selling a book entitled "if i did it".
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,170
    That judges chair looks like the Arc de Triomphe but smaller
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Debating the merits of the pinch and zoom feature on a smart screen. Judge says they need an expert to testify that it won’t distort the image. I actually feel bad for the prosecutor trying to convince him.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,170
    edited November 2021



    I can't get over the chair....it's got a roof
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  • CM189191
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jeezus man.  You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?

    You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...

    Yes.  I think he wanted to shoot people.

    I know this.  Because he shot people.

    If he didn't want to shoot people.  Then he wouldn't have.

    It's that simple.
    When I carried concealed it was never so I can shoot people...

    You hope to never have to use it.


    What was the cc for then?

    In case you got lost on your way home from work, and ended up at the shooting range?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,041
    Gern Blansten said:



    I can't get over the chair....it's got a roof
    he must be consulting a law school textbook chapter entitled "how to tank a prosecution". 
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  • mace1229
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
    Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
    Or if people didn't come to burn down buildings, none of this would have happened either.
  • gimmesometruth27
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    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    The bottom line is that if he doesn't transport a firearm into another State to provide "assistance" to law enforcement during a protest, none of this happens. He behaved recklessly and dangerously and deserves the punishment that will hopefully come from it.
    Go one step further to the bottom line and if the police would have shut down the protestors then none of this would have happened in the first place...
    Or if people didn't come to burn down buildings, none of this would have happened either.
    and if someone wouldn't have come from out of state with an ar-15 to use deadly force to protect property 2 more people would be alive today.
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  • mace1229
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jeezus man.  You think that the kid really wanted to shoot people?

    You purchase a gun hoping never to have to use it, people don't buy them hoping to...
    It's like nobody here has ever taken a gun out into the streets of a town... out of their own state... during a contentious social uprising/protest... just minding their own business... not looking for trouble and had to kill someone before...damn elites.
    I would venture to guess that he brought it for protection yes, and to hopefully scare people.

    Why people think that guns are bought with the intentions of killing people is like saying all liberals hate guns... Oh wait...
    Because that’s what “responsible” gun owners do with their guns, scare and intimidate people. Seems reasonable. And why not?

    If you really believe that people don’t buy guns for the intention of killing people then I don’t know what planet you’re living on.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starting_pistol

    Same planet...
    Yea, because buying a starters pistol is the same as buying a fully functional firearm. What planet you on bro?
    I would imagine you've never done skeet or sporting clays then?
    Edit: Bro...
    Isn’t one of the cardinal rules of “responsible” gun possession, even if purchased for skeet or clay shooting, bro, is to never brandish it unless you’re prepared to take a life? How many recreational skeet shooters walk around with their firearm slung over their shoulder in public just because it’s open carry? How many skeet shooters use an AR15 to shoot skeet?

    To believe that “people” don’t buy guns for the purpose of “killing” people is a disconnect from reality. What planet, bro?
    Bro.  You asked what guns do people buy that aren't meant to shoot people.  I gave you 3 examples.  A starter pistol, Sporting clay guns and Skeet guns.

    Planet earth... Bro.
    To be fair, I think thats only 2. wouldn't you use the same guns for trap and skeet? I used to do trap a lot, but never skeet, but I always thought you'd use the same gun.
    But in more seriousness, if you 2 are debating the purpose of purchasing a gun, very few are purchased with the intent to kill. You could argue that the majority of guns are designed with the purpose of killing, but I've never known one single person who bought a gun and said they wanted to kill someone with it. And that includes several law enforcement who carry. They buy guns because its easier to carry, for target practice or other sport. But rarely with the intent to use it on a person.
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