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mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can anyone recall the last time a repub party headquarters was firebombed like what happened to a dem party headquarters in Tejas last night? It is Tejas after all but still. Anyone?

https://people.com/crime/north-carolina-republican-party-headquarters-firebombed/

Okay, from five years ago and it was publicly condemned by the dem party. Second time the one in Tejas was attacked in a year and I can’t seem to find the repub condemnation of either. Help convince me it’s same-same.

I'm not. you asked. I answered.

JB16057 said:

mickeyrat said:

ohh this motherfucker

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-congress-economy-bills-f2b52bc7ff5d1f241ed12e73e382c6b8

McConnell says he won't help Dems raise debt limit again

By ALAN FRAM

57 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Friday that he would not again help Democrats extend the government's borrowing authority, raising fresh doubts about how Congress will avert a federal default when a temporary patch expires in December.

McConnell issued his warning in a letter to President Joe Biden a day after the Senate approved a $480 billion boost in the federal debt limit, enough to last about two months. In an eleventh-hour turnabout, the Kentucky Republican was among 11 GOP senators who provided decisive support Thursday for a procedural move that opened the door for subsequent Senate passage of that measure with only Democratic support.

Some GOP senators criticized their leaders not holding out longer against Democrats' efforts to extend the debt limit, which they said would have sharpened their message that a still-developing multibillion-dollar package of Biden's top domestic priorities is wasteful and damaging to the economy.

McConnell said Friday that he made his decision to refuse future help because of his opposition to the huge domestic bill and because of a “bizarre spectacle" on the Senate floor by Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. After the bill passed, Schumer criticized Republicans for trying to push the country over “the cliff's edge" by opposing the debt limit extension.

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He is a motherfucker. He shouldn't have agreed to raise the debt limit in the first place. This country can not continue to increase the debt like it is. I blame the Rs just as much as the Ds. I am not happy that Trump did such a shitty job on the same issue but it didn't surprise me on his track record with bankruptcies yet he still lives in mansions. Government spending is out of control. Biden continues on about how his $3.5 trillion plan is free but that's a bunch of bullshit. Money is not free. Inflation is over the roof and we can not afford to keep doing this.

JB16057 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

JB16057 said:

mickeyrat said:

ohh this motherfucker

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-congress-economy-bills-f2b52bc7ff5d1f241ed12e73e382c6b8

McConnell says he won't help Dems raise debt limit again

By ALAN FRAM

57 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Friday that he would not again help Democrats extend the government's borrowing authority, raising fresh doubts about how Congress will avert a federal default when a temporary patch expires in December.

McConnell issued his warning in a letter to President Joe Biden a day after the Senate approved a $480 billion boost in the federal debt limit, enough to last about two months. In an eleventh-hour turnabout, the Kentucky Republican was among 11 GOP senators who provided decisive support Thursday for a procedural move that opened the door for subsequent Senate passage of that measure with only Democratic support.

Some GOP senators criticized their leaders not holding out longer against Democrats' efforts to extend the debt limit, which they said would have sharpened their message that a still-developing multibillion-dollar package of Biden's top domestic priorities is wasteful and damaging to the economy.

McConnell said Friday that he made his decision to refuse future help because of his opposition to the huge domestic bill and because of a “bizarre spectacle" on the Senate floor by Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. After the bill passed, Schumer criticized Republicans for trying to push the country over “the cliff's edge" by opposing the debt limit extension.

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He is a motherfucker. He shouldn't have agreed to raise the debt limit in the first place. This country can not continue to increase the debt like it is. I blame the Rs just as much as the Ds. I am not happy that Trump did such a shitty job on the same issue but it didn't surprise me on his track record with bankruptcies yet he still lives in mansions. Government spending is out of control. Biden continues on about how his $3.5 trillion plan is free but that's a bunch of bullshit. Money is not free. Inflation is over the roof and we can not afford to keep doing this.

you are aware that raising the debt ceiling is how we pay down debt that has already been borrowed, right?

if we default and do not pay our debts it could plunge us back into a recession, tank the economy, and damage our credit as a nation again. but let's not for one minute think that this is not the gop plan the whole time. they do it every fucking time they are in the minority. 

i am fine with mcconnell burning it all down. we can then run and tattoo the gop as the party of default.

the dems could get rid of the debt ceiling altogether legally but for some reason they will not do it.

since the gop are destined to be a forever minority party with the way elections are going, it would be wise for mcconnell to avoid getting labeled the party of default. he capitulated when the dems started threatening to blow up the filibuster. start fucking with minority party procedural perks and watch how fast mcconnell will play ball.

If raising the debt ceiling is how we pay down debt, why hasn't the debt been paid down? I get what you're saying but it has been quite some time since our leaders have made progress on paying down the debt. The debt can't keep going up and up forever. The US economy has been booming for years(minus COVID) but the debt was only increased. It isn't responsible and someday it's going to come crashing down one way or another. The more money our government prints, the more expensive everything will be. We need to get inflation under control before it gets out of hand. I don't blame Biden for inflation today but what is he doing about inflation tomorrow? He has over 3 more years and all I'm hearing is that he wants to spend more "free" money. I'd love to see how $3.5 trillion dollars is free money. Sure, tax the rich but the rich have money for a reason. The rich always have and always will find a way for the smaller guys to pay more.

There will be consequences if the dems blow up the filibuster which is why they haven't done it. We'll see which side blinks first. Either way, things can not continue like they are today. Inflation is out of control. The stock market is hitting all time highs yet middle America is struggling and that's is getting worse every day.

mickeyrat said:

2000- budget surplus. used to service debt.

2001- 2008 tax cuts, rebates. enter 2 wars within 2 years unpaid for. deficit spending re-implemented.checks on irresponsible banking/finance practices dismantled

2009-2016. deficit spending reduced, long slow climb out of great recession

2017-2020 major tax cuts , deficit spending explodes, pandemic exacerbates spending

mickeyrat said:

loath to promote his smugness bit sometimes he is just on point..

https://youtu.be/7cR4fXcsu9w

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

loath to promote his smugness bit sometimes he is just on point..

https://youtu.be/7cR4fXcsu9w

i haven't watched him in a long time. he is pretty on point here. and because we are democrats we will watch this slowly happen right in front of our eyes and not try to do anything about it until it is too late.

every day that goes by that we do nothing about the insurrection and the big lie, the more true it becomes.

I hate to say it... I mean I really hate to say it, but I can see this all unfolding in the coming years.  Not too many years ago, I wouldn't have believed it.  But after that last nearly 5 years of watching an ever increasing number of Americans turn in support of the most vapid, disgusting to hold a high level in office, it's gone beyond disbelief to near despair.  Even if we somehow manage to avoid this potential disaster, those people will still be out there, and if they lose they will be more rabid than ever.  I hate to sound so negative, but I don't see how this can turn out well, let alone anything but catastrophic.  How in the holy hell, when we were once relatively great, did we get to this place? 

But we have to think beyond despair and act.  All of us who cherishes the idea of a democratic society needs to show up in the coming years and at the very least vote these fuckers out.  And we need to encourage moderates to fight back as well.  I'm hoping moderate Republicans such as the Lincoln Project folks will work to stem the toxic tide of the far Trump right.  And those of us who are Dems need to get our fellow Democrats to show up at every election.