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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Afghan Officials Change Story: Kandahar Massacre May Have Only Had One Shooter

    Everybody Saw Several Troops, But No One Saw More Than One Shooter

    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/03/21/afghan-officials-change-story-kandahar-massacre-may-have-only-had-one-shooter/
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,259
    Idris wrote:
    Afghan Officials Change Story: Kandahar Massacre May Have Only Had One Shooter

    Everybody Saw Several Troops, But No One Saw More Than One Shooter

    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/03/21/afghan-officials-change-story-kandahar-massacre-may-have-only-had-one-shooter/

    ^^^^ good to hear

    it's still time to go, IMO.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • JonnyPistachio
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    On an aside, I just watched the documentary called Restrepo. Insane what those boys go through.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1559549/
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    On an aside, I just watched the documentary called Restrepo. Insane what those boys go through.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1559549/
    Yeah, I saw that one and recommend it too.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Jason P wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    On an aside, I just watched the documentary called Restrepo. Insane what those boys go through.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1559549/
    Yeah, I saw that one and recommend it too.

    I also recommend it!

    It is sad that Tim Hetherington died in Libya. :(
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    imalive wrote:
    Idris wrote:
    Afghan Officials Change Story: Kandahar Massacre May Have Only Had One Shooter

    Everybody Saw Several Troops, But No One Saw More Than One Shooter

    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/03/21/afghan-officials-change-story-kandahar-massacre-may-have-only-had-one-shooter/

    ^^^^ good to hear

    it's still time to go, IMO.
    ...
    Agreed. I was hoping it was the act on one individual... although I can understand why and how other soldiers would want to do the same thing. The soldiers and their families are the ONLY ones shouldering the war. The rest of us aren't doing jack shit. We aren't even paying for this war... or kids and grandkids are footing the bill. We keep cycling our troops in and out of that fucking place and wonder why one of them goes psycho. We should be surprized more of them are going psycho.
    Maybe... the FUCKING COWARDS that are beating the drums of War with Iran are learning from our screw ups in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    My guess... they aren't learning jack fucking shit.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Afghans will have to run a Taliban gauntlet to get to Kabul for U.S. evacuation (yahoo.com)
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    Here we go again.  Or should I say still re. this endless war.

    The Pentagon is “deeply concerned” about the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, as the Taliban completed their sweep of Afghanistan’s south on Friday, taking four more provincial capitals in a lightning offensive that brought them closer to the capital, Kabul, just weeks before the US is set to officially end its two-decade war.

    The Biden administration has begun rushing 3,000 troops to Kabul’s airport to help with a partial evacuation of the US embassy. The move highlights the stunning speed of the Taliban takeover of much of the country, including their capture on Thursday of Kandahar, the second-largest city and the birthplace of the Taliban movement.

    “We are certainly concerned by the speed with which the Taliban has been moving,” the Pentagon press spokesman, John Kirby, said at a briefing on Friday afternoon.



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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    It was a dumb war.  GWB is a war criminal.  But this is typical of America today.  Create a bigger mess and bug out.
    and for that asshole Bush to use NATO’s article 5 to rope us into that fucking mess is why I lost so much respect for the USA.  

    I feel for the woman and children…they will be brutalized by the Taliban, hell it’s already started.

    I do think NATO has to support the Afghan army in some way.

    I agree with Joe Biden when he said “it’s their country, they need to fight for it.”  

    But it is a bigger mess more than ever…

    Just a lot of wasted lives for nothing…

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  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    brianlux said:
    Here we go again.  Or should I say still re. this endless war.

    The Pentagon is “deeply concerned” about the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, as the Taliban completed their sweep of Afghanistan’s south on Friday, taking four more provincial capitals in a lightning offensive that brought them closer to the capital, Kabul, just weeks before the US is set to officially end its two-decade war.

    The Biden administration has begun rushing 3,000 troops to Kabul’s airport to help with a partial evacuation of the US embassy. The move highlights the stunning speed of the Taliban takeover of much of the country, including their capture on Thursday of Kandahar, the second-largest city and the birthplace of the Taliban movement.

    “We are certainly concerned by the speed with which the Taliban has been moving,” the Pentagon press spokesman, John Kirby, said at a briefing on Friday afternoon.



    Now the imminent threat is upon Kabul.  
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,344
    all of that military equipment dropped where they fucking stood.  I guesd the Taliban are the only ones willing to fight for theor fucked version of a country. Certainly your average Afghani wasn't given how many just surrendered.

    THEY are the reason we shouldn't have stayed as long as we did.

    so, now we need to napalm all the poppy fields. Sucks for those farmers but they are pawns anyway. eliminate that source of income and the heroin and opium that come from it.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Wow.  20 years of progress being undone in weeks.  The Afghan military and political leaders must have just rolled over.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    It sounds like many afghans who helped NATO countries may not be able to get out.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    The president of Afghanistan has fled…it’s over.  
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Meltdown99 said:
    It sounds like many afghans who helped NATO countries may not be able to get out.  

    A small thing we as individuals can do to help is to donate here: https://nooneleft.org/default.aspx?

    It's a very small thing, indeed, but it's something.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Meltdown99 said:

    Wow.  20 years of progress being undone in weeks.  The Afghan military and political leaders must have just rolled over.  
    They did.  They were bribed and capitulated. It was always a house of cards. 
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:

    Wow.  20 years of progress being undone in weeks.  The Afghan military and political leaders must have just rolled over.  
    They did.  They were bribed and capitulated. It was always a house of cards. 

    I'm guessing you read the same WaPo article as I did.
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  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:

    Wow.  20 years of progress being undone in weeks.  The Afghan military and political leaders must have just rolled over.  
    They did.  They were bribed and capitulated. It was always a house of cards. 
    US was saying 30 days, it took 3 and Kabul was handed to the Taliban. 
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Renfield said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:

    Wow.  20 years of progress being undone in weeks.  The Afghan military and political leaders must have just rolled over.  
    They did.  They were bribed and capitulated. It was always a house of cards. 
    US was saying 30 days, it took 3 and Kabul was handed to the Taliban. 


    <<The spectacular collapse of Afghanistan’s military that allowed Taliban fighters to reach the gates of Kabul on Sunday despite twenty years of training and billions of dollars in American aid began with a series of deals brokered in rural villages between the militant group and some of the Afghan government’s lowest-ranking officials.

    The deals, initially offered early last year, were often described by Afghan officials as cease-fires, but Taliban leaders were in fact offering money in exchange for government forces to hand over their weapons, according to an Afghan officer and a U.S. official.

    Over the next year and a half, the meetings advanced to the district level and then rapidly on to provincial capitals, culminating in a breathtaking series of negotiated surrenders by government forces, according to interviews with more than a dozen Afghan officers, police, special operations troops and other soldiers.>>



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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    curmudgeoness said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:

    Wow.  20 years of progress being undone in weeks.  The Afghan military and political leaders must have just rolled over.  
    They did.  They were bribed and capitulated. It was always a house of cards. 

    I'm guessing you read the same WaPo article as I did.
    Yeah.  No surprise. 

    I find it interesting that the Republicans are calling it Biden's "Saigon moment".  I say.. I hope so. That would be great.  If the fall taught us anything it's that the war was for nothing and losing S. Vietnam had no long term geopolitical consequences.  Vietnam is now a fairly modern,  trading partner.  The ramification was the human toll, of which we were just as responsible. 

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