New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo sexually harassed multiple women, state attorney general report says

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

mickeyrat said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

Aside from Tara Reid , I dont recall Biden being accused of grabbing ass and cupping breast.

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

mickeyrat said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

Aside from Tara Reid , I dont recall Biden being accused of grabbing ass and cupping breast.

The ol’ geezer gets a pass…
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6
The goalpost keeps moving…

bullshit. "violating personal space", which seems to be the predominant theme here, doesn't even come close to what cuomo, trump, and clinton have all been accused of. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

mickeyrat said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

:hug: 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

Aside from Tara Reid , I dont recall Biden being accused of grabbing ass and cupping breast.

The ol’ geezer gets a pass…
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6
The goalpost keeps moving…

bullshit. "violating personal space", which seems to be the predominant theme here, doesn't even come close to what cuomo, trump, and clinton have all been accused of. 

I agree, but you keep hearing that the credibility of the accuser is not what should be attacked, but decisions should be based on a pattern of inappropriate behavior and complaints.  Overlooking the credibility of accusers, Biden has been accused of way more than “violating personal space” on the exact level of Cuomo, Clinton, Trump.

he had one accusation on that same level. one (that I'm aware of). and who said anything about the credibility of the accuser? all I said was I think "hugging one heartbeat too long" and "touching foreheads" is a far cry from sexual assault. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

joseph33 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

New Yorkers have always known he's a piece of shit.

Yeah but he was a voice of reason during the height of Covid here.  A lot of us, myself included, enjoyed his leadership.  That's all gone to hell now.

The son of a bitch killed 15 thousand people in nursing homes! What kind of leadership are you talking about???

I'm very impressed that you knew that all those people died in the nursing homes at the time.

If you didn't think he was the bell of the ball during covid then you just didn't like him from the get.  He was building quite the following...

He was late to the party for Covid and then hid his failures.  People only liked him cause they hated trump.  Both creeps

There was a lot of that over the past few years; people falling in love people that were in opposition of Trump, but didn't have much else going for them than that that would warrant much admiration. Cuomo, Mueller, Michael Avanti (remember him?), even Fauci to a degree, though that probably started because Trump being adversarial towards Fauci from the beginning.